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Quebecers want to start traveling again, but much more than before will stay in Quebec instead of traveling to the United States (anyway borders are closed).
They said that they will make shorter, less distant travels and will be with their cars.
I understand us so much, I who have been for so many years in the south of the USA. We loved being in an oceanfront hotel.
But there the Coronavirus changes everything. And Trump's attitude disgusts me.
They said that they will make shorter, less distant travels and will be with their cars.
I understand us so much, I who have been for so many years in the south of the USA. We loved being in an oceanfront hotel.
But there the Coronavirus changes everything. And Trump's attitude disgusts me.
More "unpleasant news for Americans"
Today (6/23/20), NYT is saying:
E.U. May Bar American Travelers as It Reopens Borders, Citing Failures on Virus (Published 2020)
European Union officials are racing to agree on who can visit the bloc as of July 1 based on how countries of origin are faring with new coronavirus cases. Americans, so far, are excluded, according to draft lists seen by The New York Times.
"BRUSSELS — European Union countries rushing to revive their economies and reopen their borders after months of coronavirus restrictions are prepared to block Americans from entering because the United States has failed to control the scourge, according to draft lists of acceptable travelers seen by The New York Times.
That prospect, which would lump American visitors in with Russians and Brazilians as unwelcome, is a stinging blow to American prestige in the world and a repudiation of President Trump’s handling of the virus in the United States, which has more than 2.3 million cases and upward of 120,000 deaths, more than any other country.
European nations are currently haggling over two potential lists of acceptable visitors based on how countries are faring with the coronavirus pandemic. Both lists include China, as well as developing nations like Uganda, Cuba and Vietnam. Both also exclude the United States and other countries which were deemed too risky because of the spread of the virus.
Travelers from the United States and the rest of the world already had been excluded from visiting the European Union — with few exceptions mostly for repatriations or “essential travel” —- since mid-March. But a final decision on reopening the borders is expected early next week, before the bloc reopens on July 1."
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"“Discussions are happening very intensively,” to reach consensus in time for July 1, said Adalbert Jahnz, a spokesman for the European Commission, the bloc’s executive branch. He called the process “frankly, a full-time job.”
The E.U. agency for infectious diseases, the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control, warned negotiators that the case numbers were so dependent on the level of truthfulness and testing in each country, that it was hard to vouch for them, officials taking part in the talks said.
China, for example, has been accused of withholding information and manipulating the numbers of infections released to the public. In parts of the developing world, case numbers are very low, but it’s hard to determine whether they paint an accurate picture given limited testing.
And in the United States, comments made by President Trump at a rally in Tulsa over the weekend highlighted how easy it is to manipulate a country’s case numbers, as he suggested that domestic testing was too broad.
“When you do testing to that extent, you’re gonna find more people you’re gonna find more cases. So I said to my people slow the testing down, please,” Mr. Trump told supporters."
Top US health official Fauci warns of 'disturbing' new US surge
They also told US lawmakers that they had never been asked to slow testing for coronavirus.
www.bbc.com
God bless Tony Fauci
Drove to Maine from New York late last week. Yes, you will see signs about Executive Order 14 day quarantine. But absolutely NO ENFORCEMENT. I stayed Friday through Monday.
Top US health official Fauci warns of 'disturbing' new US surge
They also told US lawmakers that they had never been asked to slow testing for coronavirus.
God bless Tony Fauci
Trump says anything, he speaks without thinking.
You don`t think they time snapped your plate when you entered the state and again when you left ? Is there a fine for dodging the quarantine ?
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Good point cloudsurf. I suspect that those folks who might get a ticket in the mail would simply flush it down the toilet. If they had the audacity to break the quarantine mandates, they likely don't care about any civil fines.
America is becoming more divided today:
WP (6/24/20)
"The governors of the tri-state area jointly announced the travel advisory, which requires a 14-day quarantine for visitors from states whose infection rates meet certain thresholds indicating “significant community spread,” according to New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D). Nine states currently meeting that threshold, Cuomo said: Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Washington, Utah and Texas."
NYT (6/24/20):
"In New York, those found to be violating the quarantine could be subject to a judicial order that could include mandatory quarantine and fines of up to $10,000. Mr. Cuomo also said that officials would not be stopping people at state borders to forbid them to enter, but that travelers were being asked to comply once they arrived. "
www.nytimes.com
"[Governor] Cuomo said that enforcement would be up to each of the three states. In New York, he said, those violating the quarantine order could be “subject to a judicial order and mandatory quarantine.” A first violation could result in a $2,000 fine and a second would bring a $5,000 fine, he said, up to $10,000 for someone who causes “harm.”"
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“You could argue that even law is the honor system until you get caught,” Mr. Cuomo said. “You can violate the quarantine until you get caught,” he added, then “you’re in mandatory quarantine and fined thousands of dollars.”
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Today (6/24/20), CBC is reporting: (I wonder how many people will actually pay the fines.)
Majority of Canada's $13M in pandemic fines were issued in Quebec, report finds
"Provinces across the country issued emergency orders with hefty penalties for violations in March, including closures of public spaces and physical distancing measures. Ticketing soon followed.
In one example cited in the report, a man walking his dog in Ottawa was fined $880 for standing in the wrong place. A bylaw officer in the city also tackled a man walking through a park with his daughter. He ended up with a bruised lip and a fine of more than $2,000.
One woman with her baby in Aurora, Ont., stepped off a park path to let others pass and was ticketed $880, prompting Premier Doug Ford to say the officers "could have used a little bit different judgment."
According to the study by the association and the Policing the Pandemic Mapping Project co-founded at the University of Toronto and the University of Ottawa, police and bylaw officers issued at least 10,000 tickets or charges related to the pandemic between April 1 and June 15. The value of the fines was more than $13 million.
Quebec accounted for 77 per cent of the reported fines, while Ontario saw 18 per cent and Nova Scotia three per cent."
Good point cloudsurf. I suspect that those folks who might get a ticket in the mail would simply flush it down the toilet. If they had the audacity to break the quarantine mandates, they likely don't care about any civil fines.
America is becoming more divided today:
WP (6/24/20)
"The governors of the tri-state area jointly announced the travel advisory, which requires a 14-day quarantine for visitors from states whose infection rates meet certain thresholds indicating “significant community spread,” according to New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D). Nine states currently meeting that threshold, Cuomo said: Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Washington, Utah and Texas."
NYT (6/24/20):
"In New York, those found to be violating the quarantine could be subject to a judicial order that could include mandatory quarantine and fines of up to $10,000. Mr. Cuomo also said that officials would not be stopping people at state borders to forbid them to enter, but that travelers were being asked to comply once they arrived. "
N.Y. Will Impose Quarantine on Visitors From States With Big Outbreaks (Published 2020)
New Jersey and Connecticut will also require visitors to quarantine for two weeks. The rule reflects a stark shift in the course of the outbreak.
"[Governor] Cuomo said that enforcement would be up to each of the three states. In New York, he said, those violating the quarantine order could be “subject to a judicial order and mandatory quarantine.” A first violation could result in a $2,000 fine and a second would bring a $5,000 fine, he said, up to $10,000 for someone who causes “harm.”"
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“You could argue that even law is the honor system until you get caught,” Mr. Cuomo said. “You can violate the quarantine until you get caught,” he added, then “you’re in mandatory quarantine and fined thousands of dollars.”
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Today (6/24/20), CBC is reporting: (I wonder how many people will actually pay the fines.)
Majority of Canada's $13M in pandemic fines were issued in Quebec, report finds
"Provinces across the country issued emergency orders with hefty penalties for violations in March, including closures of public spaces and physical distancing measures. Ticketing soon followed.
In one example cited in the report, a man walking his dog in Ottawa was fined $880 for standing in the wrong place. A bylaw officer in the city also tackled a man walking through a park with his daughter. He ended up with a bruised lip and a fine of more than $2,000.
One woman with her baby in Aurora, Ont., stepped off a park path to let others pass and was ticketed $880, prompting Premier Doug Ford to say the officers "could have used a little bit different judgment."
According to the study by the association and the Policing the Pandemic Mapping Project co-founded at the University of Toronto and the University of Ottawa, police and bylaw officers issued at least 10,000 tickets or charges related to the pandemic between April 1 and June 15. The value of the fines was more than $13 million.
Quebec accounted for 77 per cent of the reported fines, while Ontario saw 18 per cent and Nova Scotia three per cent."
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What a silly goose
No, after meeting Poland’s PM today he said it was great to meet the 1st world leader “post-covid”, lol.
Not only Russia , I thought that the USA was off limits for all Europeans . As of right now flights are supposed to resume the 21st of July , but of course that could change any day now
I need and want to fly out to Europe but I’d be required to spend two whole weeks quarantined in a hotel room
Taking in the sun the last couple of days and missing/reminiscing my Old Country . I was hoping to be back this year , but the odds are against that happening , damn Virus . And so I dream ...
I need and want to fly out to Europe but I’d be required to spend two whole weeks quarantined in a hotel room
Taking in the sun the last couple of days and missing/reminiscing my Old Country . I was hoping to be back this year , but the odds are against that happening , damn Virus . And so I dream ...
Yea but can Russian come to USA? Cause Brazilians can’t come to USA. Here’s a potential scenario
EU bans americans
Trump begins retaliatory ban
Brazilians ( country next to USA with highest # of cases) already banned
So with EU peeps and Brazilians banned will they then implement a ban on Russians, lol? They r #3 I think with amount of cases? There will be drama about that with press callin trump Putin’s bitch.
EU bans americans
Trump begins retaliatory ban
Brazilians ( country next to USA with highest # of cases) already banned
So with EU peeps and Brazilians banned will they then implement a ban on Russians, lol? They r #3 I think with amount of cases? There will be drama about that with press callin trump Putin’s bitch.
The above scenario is very possible and with good reason because of the way our neighbors handled things ... and then it becomes tit for tat
Who ever thought that the world would be banning Americans
Who ever thought that the world would be banning Americans
Did you stay at a hotel? Because if you stayed at a hotel it can be easily enforced, whereas if you stayed in a private residence it would be impossible to enforce.
Maybe I quarantined. Maybe I didn't. How could they possibly know? Saw many, many out of state license plates. Seems to me the manpower necessary to enforce the rule would be impossible. Also there are many people who live in Maine and for various reasons register their vehicles in NH or MA or VT, which you can do if you also have a residence in those states.
Excellent point. I stayed at my condo. where there were also many MA, CT etc. registered vehicles.
This is from the CDC listing the travel restrictions. Europe has been restricted from traveling to the US since March. Europe restricting the travel from the USA is fair considering the amount of new daily cases we are having. Some feel it's a tit for tat because the US hasn't relaxed it's own travel restrictions for Europe as well as the suspensions/restrictions of visa's being issued to foreigners to help protect American jobs. With unemployment being at an all time high I guess the logic is to fill the jobs with Americans before seeking workers from outside of the country. I also included a link regarding travel visa's.
travel.state.gov
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Suspension of Routine Visa Services
Money Taburn,
There is no way to enforce a 14 day quarantine rule on someone staying in a private residence but those in a hotel stand on a different footing. When you check in they have your address and you are red flagged. As I posted earlier all the tourists arrested so far were staying at hotels in Hawaii, and when they left the hotel, the hotel called the cops. As they are legally required to do. If you are staying at a private residence, unless you have "New Yorker" stamped on your forehead and I presume you don't, how would anyone know????
There is no way to enforce a 14 day quarantine rule on someone staying in a private residence but those in a hotel stand on a different footing. When you check in they have your address and you are red flagged. As I posted earlier all the tourists arrested so far were staying at hotels in Hawaii, and when they left the hotel, the hotel called the cops. As they are legally required to do. If you are staying at a private residence, unless you have "New Yorker" stamped on your forehead and I presume you don't, how would anyone know????
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