Coronavirus

[The Nature Boy]

This seems to be a recurring theme lately with you. I don't think most believe this. The issue, at least with me, is that media, like CNN, will pick and choose facts (that are not disputed by anyone), and then proceed to tell you how you should think about it. They lead you, with bias, to a certain way of thinking. Maybe not you, but a lot of people are susceptible to this. One example is how CNN, and Chris Cuomo, would have you believe Andrew Cuomo has done a great job handling the COVID crisis. I, on the other hand, with the same facts, believe he has done a terrible job. Same facts, different interpretation.

Both sides, right and left, have historically participated in this type of reporting, but as of late, the left leaning media seems, in my opinion, to be taking it to a whole new level.

We will have to agree to disagree. There’s an anti science/fact/reality sentiment that’s developing and getting blamed on shit like CNN or similar propagating fake news. Yea the commentary is there, opinions are present, but sometimes facts on the pandemic are just that, facts no matter how you spin them. No matter how hot you may think Chris cuomo or wolf blitzer are and are jelly like kelly


But yea, I do agree those cuomo boys are a bit shifty

 

[sene5hos]

One example is how CNN, and Chris Cuomo, would have you believe Andrew Cuomo has done a great job handling the COVID crisis. I, on the other hand, with the same facts, believe he has done a terrible job. Same facts, different interpretation.

Both sides, right and left, have historically participated in this type of reporting, but as of late, the left leaning media seems,

Yes, I think, on the contrary, he did an excellent job. We hit an invisible wall.
With a completely unknown virus, 6 months ago, I think there would not have been many Republican governors who would have done better.


Yes it's true, because those on the right, never have anything encouraging to say.

 

[The Nature Boy]

I think the whole “I don’t do pandemics” is pretty sad. in feb he (cuomo) shoulda asked for flights from Europe to be stopped and implemented something similar to what Greece or Iceland have in place where they test people right at airport. But then at that point in time cdc had duds for tests, so?? I do think cuomos getting overhyped credit.

As per all that mumbo jumbo about him breaking up the union or whatever, baby pleeeeeease..... Connecticut’s governor is getting no credit and prob woulda done just as good a job as Cuomo, if not better. Cuomo absolutely f’ing cock blocks diblasio when Diblasio ends up implementing a policy that cuomo himself would prob implement but won’t get him (cuomo) credit for it and tries to bitch slap diblasio in public. Complete back stabber no different than DJT

 

[purplem]

You da man Naitch! Thumbs up!

 

[sene5hos]

Increasing of new cases of COVID-19 in the United States? Why?
No social distancing, not enough wearing a mask, manifestations etc.
Yes, all of these answers are true.

I change the proverb "The answer that kills" = Trump. The answer is easy, deconfinement has been far too hasty pushed by Trump.
Another fake news, Trump doesn't want to wear the mask, because it shows a lack of virility (like Sleepy Joe, according to Trump).
It's a complete lack of respect.

 

[The Nature Boy]

LIES!!! ALL LIES!!! THERES ONLY ONE DUDE IN THE STATES WHO HAD COVID, CNN’s INTERVIEWED HIM AND HE LOOKS LIKE THIS

 

[fromtheoutside]

Yes, I think, on the contrary, he did an excellent job.

Yes, he's done an excellent job overseeing the death of over 30 thousand New Yorkers. Washington gets slammed, yet Cuomo is not far off, basking in the spotlight of the center stage with endless press conferences spawned by his surging popularity from the disasters that often create false heroes. He is equally guilty of misjudgments, botched responses and of expressing inexplicable and unjustifiable confidence in his ability to manage this virus (sound like someone else you throw under the bus?).

I look to his equally ridiculous social media, especially early on and his policy for sending recovering Covid patients to nursing homes (akin to suicide bombers), a policy he took too long to reverse and then blamed the CDC guidelines. Remember the first patient that tested positive who flew into the state in early March? Cuomo held a press conference and said health officials would track down every person on that flight, but never did. No media talked about the 'never did' part. There are other examples where he should have acted, with information he had locally and from other countries ahead of him, irrespective of the federal response, that could have made a difference.

His overconfidence that the outbreak would be contained (similar to trump) and his continual minimization of the threat, was dangerous, as was his ridiculous claims that New York hospitals and the general health care system was the best in the world. He also said what was happening in other countries wouldn't happen in New York. Let's also remember that New York should have been the first to enact stay-at-home orders and other closures, yet followed, I believe states like Ohio, California and Washington. Cuomo resisted the initial orders and ironically was concerned over the fear that would consume the people, yet his daily press conferences were stage acts where he invoked panic as much as he conveyed facts.

Don't get me wrong, it was unlikely New York could escape what happened, being the hub it is, but Cuomo was simply a custodian of a predetermined path (though he could have been more) as opposed to some hero who did an excellent job.

But enough about why I think he did a terrible job, perhaps you can share you insight and convert me. Unlike you, I'm genuinely open minded, but please don't just google and post random links to articles your search produces...

 

[Fradi]

I change the proverb "The answer that kills" = Trump. The answer is easy, deconfinement has been far too hasty pushed by Trump.
Another fake news, Trump doesn't want to wear the mask, because it shows a lack of virility (like Sleepy Joe, according to Trump).
It's a complete lack of respect.

So you are trying to say none of these people have a brain in their head and If Trump doesn’t wear a mask then nobody else will either.
I can understand official policy and purchasing of PPE, but social distancing and wearing of masks, sorry most people have a brain in their head no matter what Trump or any other politician says it is up to them to use it.

You make your own luck in life.

 

[sene5hos]

After reading your long text, which by the way is well written, much better than me, I am speechless.

We take a perfectly unknown situation, (as I said "We hit an invisible wall") and we throw him in front, then we watch him go. He's like a chicken no head.
It's so easy to do an analysis after a disaster, we should have done this or that.
We are all "estrades" managers and it's so easy to criticize. I certainly couldn't have done better, would you?

I am also open-minded because I have worked all my life with people who came from all over the world. I loved having American students, they were like us, I really appreciated them.

 

[ShyMan]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/29/gilead-sciences-remdesivir-cost-coronavirus/#comments-wrapper

"Gilead Sciences, the maker of the first covid-19 treatment found to have worked in clinical trials, remdesivir, said Monday it will charge U.S. hospitals $3,120 for the typical patient with private insurance.

Soon after the announcement, the Trump administration said it had secured nearly all of the company’s supply of the drug for use in U.S. hospitals through September, with a contract for 500,000 treatment courses, which it will make available to hospitals at Gilead’s price.

"Other developed countries will pay 25 percent less than the United States, a discount Gilead said reflects a need to make the drug as widely available as possible throughout the world.

The company has licensed generic manufacturers to produce the drug for developing countries which will receive the treatment “at a substantially lower cost,” the company said."

. . . .

"A clinical trial sponsored by the government showed the drug — invented by Gilead but developed largely by taxpayer-funded agencies — sped up hospital recoveries by 4 days. It had no statistically significant impact on survival for covid-19 patients.

Setting a price for a novel drug in the middle of a pandemic posed an unprecedented challenge, Gilead said. Cutting four days of hospital costs for each patient saves the U.S. health system $12,000 per patient, the company said. Based on that benchmark, it suggested it could have justified a higher price."

. . . .

"Gilead said it will have spent $1 billion to develop and manufacturer remdesivir by the end of 2020. Gilead invented the drug about 10 years ago when it was searching for treatments for hepatitis C but did not develop it. Later, the drug’s potential as an antiviral for emerging diseases was explored through a partnership with the government. Taxpayers spent at least $70 million developing the drug, according to advocates.

An independent analysis last week by the Institute for Economic and Clinical Review said Gilead could recover its costs by distributing the drug for as little as $1 to $60 per dose, or $100 to $160 per dose if all of the company’s 2020 costs are taken into account.

Under yesterday’s pricing, Gilead set the price at $520 per dose in the United States and $390 per dose in other developed countries. Gilead said six doses are required. . . ."

 

[IamNY]

So by charging hospitals $3,120 per dose they end up saving the hospital about $12,000 per patient because it reduces their stay by 4 days. More rooms available in hospitals, patience go home sooner, sounds good to me.

 

[ShyMan]

I just had the Covid Test done at a drive through Covid Specimen Collection Station in CT.

Hope your procedure goes well, and you have a speedy recovery.

How much money have you had to pay for each of your Covid -19 diagnostic tests? I prefer the new test you had, EB. What's the accuracy of that less invasive and painful test?

Two Friends in Texas Were Tested for Coronavirus. One Bill Was $199. The Other? $6,408. (Published 2020)

It’s an example of the unpredictable way health prices can vary for patients who receive identical care.

www.nytimes.com

"Before a camping and kayaking trip along the Texas Coast, Pam LeBlanc and Jimmy Harvey decided to get coronavirus tests. They wanted a bit more peace of mind before spending 13 days in close quarters along with three friends.

The two got drive-through tests at Austin Emergency Center in Austin."

. . . .

"The emergency room charged Mr. Harvey $199 in cash. Ms. LeBlanc, who paid with insurance, was charged $6,408.

. . . .

Ms. LeBlanc’s health insurer negotiated the total bill down to $1,128. The plan said she was responsible for $928 of that."

. . . .

"She used the information about what her friend had paid to negotiate her charges down to $199 as well. And after she reached out to a local television station, which devoted a segment to her charges, her health plan began investigating the bill.

Last Thursday, after returning from another camping trip, Ms. LeBlanc learned the bill would be dropped entirely."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/16/...tion=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

 

[The Nature Boy]

I think they are working in getting a inhaled version of remdesivir available.

 

[EagerBeaver]

How much money have you had to pay for each of your Covid -19 diagnostic tests? I prefer the new test you had, EB. What's the accuracy of that less invasive and painful test?

It was covered by insurance, and cost me nothing. The techician told me the accuracy of the less invasive test is the same as the deep nasopharyngeal swab, which did not make sense to me but I did not question it. I was getting it done only because it was mandatory for a procedure, not because I was sick.

I am calling the less invasive test a "nostril cocktail" because that's what they do, they swirl it around your nostrils walls like mixing a cocktail but the specimen is basically nostril wall snot. The procedure tickles and I am surprised I did not sneeze.

The drive through "Covid Specimen Collection Station" was impressively well organized and very efficient. From the time I drove in to the the time I drove out was less than 3 minutes. No line, no wait. I was there Saturday morning.

 

[Anwar]

'Hotspots' linger, more young people getting COVID-19: new modelling

New national modelling on the COVID-19 pandemic in Canada shows that 'hotspots' remain in Ontario and Quebec, and the percentage of younger people contracting the virus has increased in proportion to a decrease in older patients in the last month.

www.ctvnews.ca

Infection among young people is on the rise while the curve is going down among the elderly population. Though this article doesn't mention the mortality rate in young people, many young people around the world are succumbing to Covid-19. In South Asia, where social distancing and contact tracing was as lackadaisical as USA, many people in their 20s and 30s are dying who did not have co-morbidity and were otherwise healthy. I myself have heard of deaths in my age group (late 20s) in my network back home. This is because these countries are densely populated and the virus has spread so much that anybody could easily find themselves in the 1% morbidity pool of the total infected population.

Covid-19 is a highly unpredictable disease. Nobody should consider themselves relatively safe. While the probability of a healthy young person succumbing to the disease is low, bear in mind that the larger the sample size - which is exponentially expanding due to the ease of spread of this contagion - the probability that YOU will become that rare statistic increases by the day.

We are safe only as long as our hospitals have spare beds for us.

 

[2fast2slow]

'Hotspots' linger, more young people getting COVID-19: new modelling

New national modelling on the COVID-19 pandemic in Canada shows that 'hotspots' remain in Ontario and Quebec, and the percentage of younger people contracting the virus has increased in proportion to a decrease in older patients in the last month.

www.ctvnews.ca

many people in their 20s and 30s are dying who did not have co-morbidity and were otherwise healthy

source please

 

[sene5hos]

Mise à jour sur l’épidémiologie de la COVID-19 : Résumé — Canada.ca

Résumé du niveau d’activité sur la COVID-19, des hospitalisations et des décès, du dépistage et des variants, et des éclosions au Canada et au fil du temps.

sante-infobase.canada.ca

0.3% it's a lot?

 

[2fast2slow]

according to your source sene5hos (as reputable as you can get) 0.3% of 20-39 y.o were hospitalized or died. that's 3 in a 1000. It does not say how many were hospitalized versus how many died, but it is probably an order of magnitude difference, so figure 3 in 10000 that died. Were those 3 really healthy? probabaly not. Also, that is of confirmed covid infections. In that age group, probably at least half or 2/3 of infections go un-reported, so the real number is 3 in 20000 or 3 in 30000...

To answer your question, although even 1 death is always 1 death too many, statistically it is not alot. Not enough for me to hide in fear in my house.

 

[The Nature Boy]

Shit man, no mas!! See this is something WHO needs to pounce on by modifying the current flu vaccines

MSN

 

[IamNY]

Damn those Coronavirus taxes!

Quebecers Are Being Warned To Watch Out For Surprise "COVID-19 Fees" On Moving Day

It's perfectly within your rights to refuse any hidden fees.

www.mtlblog.com