Coronavirus

[Fradi]

It's almost as if, with more knowledge and research... science evolves... and, surprise! Scientists evolve in their thinking. What a concept! That doesn't fit he narrative the Right is trying to spin though (and why this is a political issue is beyond me, but that's the state of society at present)

Okay let’s cut the Bullshit a bit.
First I am not right or left I just simply hate all politicians.
When it comes to Fauci he is regarded as one of the leading experts on contagious diseases in the world, are you really trying to say he didn't succumb to pressure from above or he just happened to learn now that masks actually do prohibit the spread of airborne vIruses.
Why do they wear masks in all operating rooms why were they wearing masks during the Ebola virus.
Why was the whole of China practically wearing masks.
Science didn’t just suddenly evolve and doctors throughout the world magically just now discover that masks prevent the spreading of airborne viruses.
Fauci bowed to pressure like our own Canadian leading specialist and many throughout the world to protect the ass of scumbag politicians who were caught with their pants down and did not have enough PPE on hand to protect their front line workers and wanted to preserve everything available for them.

 

[The Nature Boy]

THERE WERE NO MASKS!!!!!

For the umptheenth time

THERE WERE NO MASKS!!!!

I’m telling you from 1st hand experience

THERE WERE NO MASKS!!!

Those surgical masks your talking about will do shit if you walk into a room with someone who has covid and they are not wearing one!!

 

[cloudsurf]

Plain and simple Fauci lied. He later admitted it.
Was it a good lie or a bad lie ? That is debatable.
There was no easy solution. The US didn`t have nearly enough spare masks for front liners let alone the general public.
Panic buying and hoarding by the public would have destroyed the supply for health care workers and first responders.
Either way the situation could have been ....should have been, better handled by the White House and senior health officials.
Thousands of lives were needlessly lost.

 

[The Nature Boy]

He did not lie, I am right, all of you are wrong

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

It's almost as if, with more knowledge and research... science evolves...

Science evolves, our top scientist figured a mask was not required for a virus, even watching TV you see masks on every time any airborne virus is around. To come out and say not necessary is against most theories about not catching a deadly virus.

 

[Fradi]

He admitted he lied when he was questioned.
He said he did it to prevent panic buying because it was needed for the first responders.
It is debatable how many deaths it would have saved or why they did not recommend any type of face covering as they did afterwards
My point is if he could be influenced then how can you trust him now with a vaccine especially right before election time.

 

[cloudsurf]

I went to the supermarket and while waiting in line for a cashier , there was this young man breathing down my neck.
He was standing less than 2 feet away and his mask was not covering his nose. I told him to step 3 feet back and to fix his mask. He stepped back a bit but his nose was still uncovered. I told him that the nose was the major entry point for the virus. He said that there was no virus. WTF ??? I told him to visit a hospital and he replied by telling me that the hospitals were empty. I can`t believe that we are sharing this planet with idiots like him.
There are sub- humanoids thinking like this guy who will make sure the virus stays around for a long time. A few are leading countries like Russia, Brazil and the US.

 

[IamNY]

India now has the second most Covid - 19 cases:

Coronavirus Update (Live): 125,429,216 Cases and 2,756,742 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

 

[The Nature Boy]

I went to the supermarket and while waiting in line for a cashier , there was this young man breathing down my neck.
He was standing less than 2 feet away and his mask was not covering his nose. I told him to step 3 feet back and to fix his mask. He stepped back a bit but his nose was still uncovered. I told him that the nose was the major entry point for the virus. He said that there was no virus. WTF ??? I told him to visit a hospital and he replied by telling me that the hospitals were empty. I can`t believe that we are sharing this planet with idiots like him.
There are sub- humanoids thinking like this guy who will make sure the virus stays around for a long time. A few are leading countries like Russia, Brazil and the US.

Was it fauci?

 

[sene5hos]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/04/key-coronavirus-forecast-predicts-over-410000-total-us-deaths-by-jan-1.html

In the worst case, if nothing is done.
Key coronavirus forecast predicts over 410,000 total U.S. deaths by Jan.

Today it's 186,800
They want to scare.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

When I take this calculator test below, I get a .99931 percent chance that I won’t die of Covid-19,

Is your decimal place out by 2 for chance of not dying

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

^^^^ I see 20+ people a day.

 

[IamNY]

Good news, new cases in the US are dropping:

New Covid-19 cases are declining across the US, official says, but that could quickly change if people aren't careful | CNN

States across the US are now seeing a decline in coronavirus cases, a US top official said this week, though he warned things could quickly change again if Americans aren't careful.

www.cnn.com

 

[sene5hos]

I'm really glad the numbers are going down for new cases and also for the death toll.

 

[EagerBeaver]

It's not a question of defending Trump. It's a question of what is a President's duty in a time of a public crisis. The duty is to not create a public panic. One can certainly question how to handle a situation like this, made much more difficult by the fact that the media was selling a ton of fear and negativity at the outset of the pandemic. It's kind of the same reason why it's against the law to yell "fire" in a crowded movie theater. You don't want to create a stampede that is going to cause lots of injuries. Similarly a President has a duty to react to a crisis in a manner that is consistent with not creating a public panic.

Nobody here has suggested what would be the proper course of action, because nobody here really knows what that would have been. Wilson completely ignored the pandemic. Trump minimized it. Are we suggesting that he should have overstated it? I think doing so would have had much more dire consequences for the public. I think the panic to get things would have been much worse and the supply chain disruptions would have been greater. Fistfights in supermarket aisles might have been the least of the problems.

The other things seems to be this notion that there was a "correct" way to handle the pandemic given the wildly conflicting medical opinions even after the pandemic started because nobody fully understood the virus. There was no such thing. All of this is to simply say that there was no blueprint to follow except for a general Presidential blueprint to not create a public panic.

 

[IamNY]

EB, I agree with most of what your saying. The one thing that bothered me most about Woodward’s tapes was that the president knew Covid 19 could be transmitted through the air but never did anything about it until recently and even then he minimized the effectiveness of masks. If you look at the pics in your article along with many others regarding the Spanish Flu everyone is wearing masks. He made it into a political debate when he should have pushed more to have people wearing masks, especially early on.

 

[sene5hos]

EB I don't agree.

It was a new virus, no president, prime minister, in short, no head of state knew how to manage this new crisis, then this pandemic. That said, yes it is true that no one had received a plan to follow.

Do a question come to mind? is it better not to want to create panic, and not to react, and to become the country in the world with the most deaths, yet the country most likely to have the economic possibilities of halving the number of deaths.

No one is going to convince me that Trump handled the crisis well. In a few weeks they will reach 200,000 dead.
Think of the other people who have gone through it, and who will come out of it with after-effects, to all those who suffered these side effects, all that could have been reduced if we had reacted.

I have a lot of sympathy for all these families destroyed by COVID.

 

[EagerBeaver]

EB, I agree with most of what your saying. The one thing that bothered me most about Woodward’s tapes was that the president knew Covid 19 could be transmitted through the air but never did anything about it until recently and even then he minimized the effectiveness of masks. If you look at the pics in your article along with many others regarding the Spanish Flu everyone is wearing masks. He made it into a political debate when he should have pushed more to have people wearing masks, especially early on.

Trump is certainly worthy of criticism on that point and on others, but people here are playing a blame game and the blame does not lie only at his feet. Lessons were learned by the medical community and hospitals and the lives that were lost were not lost because of any one person or event. No matter who was President lots of lives were and will be lost.

It's already been discussed ad nauseam that the USA doesn't have a centralized government on public health matters and public health decisions are largely in the hands of the States. Mask laws are state to state, and it really doesn't matter what Trump says or does. In Connecticut since April 20 you can't go in a store without a mask and furthermore most businesses here post signs saying that. All of this keeps getting lost in the analysis. I think one of the biggest reasons for the high death toll is that there is no centralized government on public health matters in the USA. That and we are a large country with a very very mobile work force. Many of the posts in this thread are painfully, awkwardly shallow in their failure to analyze some of the real reasons for why it's been a debacle. When I was in Maine the lack of consistency in regulation State to State is the biggest topic of concern I heard in discussion with tourists from other states including those who were mobile work force employees who are part of the federal government. It's confusing even to me.

 

[The Nature Boy]

EB, I agree with most of what your saying. The one thing that bothered me most about Woodward’s tapes was that the president knew Covid 19 could be transmitted through the air but never did anything about it until recently and even then he minimized the effectiveness of masks. If you look at the pics in your article along with many others regarding the Spanish Flu everyone is wearing masks. He made it into a political debate when he should have pushed more to have people wearing masks, especially early on.

He knew it was airborne and has had a shitload of gatherings/rallies

 

[The Nature Boy]

Fake news!

One of the 1/989373736289203729303846483938!!!!

She should buy a lottery ticket with her luck!!

CNN is paying actors to come on air and tell bullshit!!

F the fake media