Coronavirus

[sene5hos]

Misleading information: punishing dozens of workers - canada today

Dozens of workers have been punished since the beginning of the epidemic for their statements against vaccines or anti-health measures, or for their negligence in implementing the rules. According to many speakers, these sanctions are necessary while for others we are witnessing a clear...

canada.tawdif.ma

According to many speakers, these sanctions are necessary while for others we are witnessing a clear slippage.

 

[IamNY]

For those concerned about this article on virus surviving on frozen meat. As soon as you cook it, those RNA virus are destroyed. Don't you even wonder why stock mRNA vaccine are stocked at -80C! Trying to do diversion speaking about the funny 45th is just a non-argument.

Glad to see you agree with me. I posted the article to point out that it was just fear mongering to keep the COVID fear alive and well. Your fellow white knight brought up the former president, not I.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Misleading information: punishing dozens of workers - canada today

Dozens of workers have been punished since the beginning of the epidemic for their statements against vaccines or anti-health measures, or for their negligence in implementing the rules. According to many speakers, these sanctions are necessary while for others we are witnessing a clear...

canada.tawdif.ma

According to many speakers, these sanctions are necessary while for others we are witnessing a clear slippage.

This is what Communist government do, I always knew you were Pro-Communist. In all Communist governments including what Putin is doing, anyone that opposes the political narrative is silenced or cancelled. No one is allowed to have a different opinion even if it is right. Communist governments keep on repeating the same lies and if repeated often enough people begin to believe it. This is what you support. Many doctors are against covid mandates but are told to not speak against it or will loose their jobs. Anything done under a threat is proof at how the government is coercing people. Sanctions = Force. As you can see one by one the government is stripping away our freedoms forcing us to their will.

 

[CLOUD 500]

For those concerned about this article on virus surviving on frozen meat. As soon as you cook it, those RNA virus are destroyed. Don't you even wonder why stock mRNA vaccine are stocked at -80C! Trying to do diversion speaking about the funny 45th is just a non-argument.

For once I agree with you. The point that OP brought up is that they keep on posting useless nonsense like this to incite fear. What is the point? Is it just bad journalism or was it intentional? Many people who do not know better will panic. Fear is the best control mechanism.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Trudeau cannot resist, as of July 19 will be the return of random testing for covid 19 at Canadian airports. With all the chaos this is more needless red tape. Such things will not do anything to protect people it will just make peoples lives miserable and cause prices to go even higher. However thousands of refugees cross Roxham Rd daily and do not need to be vaccinated to enter.

EDITORIAL: Random testing is just more red tape

As if there weren’t enough turmoil at our airports, the federal government just announced it will return to random COVID-19 testing for fully vaccinated passengers,…

torontosun.com

 

[gallantca]

Actually COVID did not change much regarding life expectancy and population growth.

The COVID-19 pandemic appears to have halted a more than decade-long increase in life expectancy, according to global mortality data that showed decreases in 2020 in 31 out of 37 high-income countries.

Russia, the US, and Bulgaria had the largest declines in life expectancy when the authors compared real 2020 mortality data with estimated 2020 life expectancy based on 2005-2019 trends. Men experienced the greatest losses with a 2.33-year reduction in Russia, a 2.27-year drop in the US, and a 1.96-year decrease in Bulgaria. Russian women experienced a 2.14-year decline in life expectancy, while US women lost about a year and a half and Bulgarian women lost about a year and one-third.

COVID-19 Cuts Life Expectancy in Dozens of Countries

The COVID-19 pandemic appears to have halted a more than decade-long increase in life expectancy, according to global mortality data that showed decreases in 2020 in 31 out of 37 high-income countries.

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[Francoquart]

The COVID-19 pandemic appears to have halted a more than decade-long increase in life expectancy, according to global mortality data that showed decreases in 2020 in 31 out of 37 high-income countries.

Russia, the US, and Bulgaria had the largest declines in life expectancy when the authors compared real 2020 mortality data with estimated 2020 life expectancy based on 2005-2019 trends. Men experienced the greatest losses with a 2.33-year reduction in Russia, a 2.27-year drop in the US, and a 1.96-year decrease in Bulgaria. Russian women experienced a 2.14-year decline in life expectancy, while US women lost about a year and a half and Bulgarian women lost about a year and one-third.

COVID-19 Cuts Life Expectancy in Dozens of Countries

The COVID-19 pandemic appears to have halted a more than decade-long increase in life expectancy, according to global mortality data that showed decreases in 2020 in 31 out of 37 high-income countries.

jamanetwork.com

Yeah, as usual, misleading in the sense that they try to insinuate that the death are due to the virus without making it super clear, especially since they know that it is not. Life expectancy has increased despite the pandemic. Now, the trend is maybe lower, but it is clear that it is not directly the result of the virus, but also other factors such as stress, anxiety, and any other consequences that were caused by the situation of COVID( more drinking, drogue, job losses, etc..). The fact that they counted all COVID positive people that have died as death caused by the Virus, renders those stats, at best, questionable. Heart attack can be caused by fear or anxiety. Most old people when tested positive, do react with fear and anxiety.
You can focus on the negative side if you want, but the fact that life expectancy, and population growth remains positive despite all that madness, i believe that it is a clear indication that the Virus danger was super inflated.

 

[CLOUD 500]

^^^^^
Exactly. They manipulate the data. Another thing I noticed is I suspect they are inventing cases, how can there be so many cases when testing clinics are closed. When someone dies and they have covid, it gets counted as a covid death regardless if they died of something else. When the media want to sensationalize a covid death, they post someone like a celebrity on the news and state they died of covid but when you dig deeper they actually died of covid complication which means they had other health conditions and died of that but covid made it complicated or accelerated it. But the way the post it makes people think covid was the cause of death. It is politically hijacked to have that effect.

How are COVID-19 deaths counted? It’s complicated

As the U.S. death toll nears a half-million, confusion continues over whether people die “of” COVID-19 or “with” COVID-19. Here’s what’s behind the numbers.

www.aamc.org

 

[gallantca]

Yeah, as usual, misleading in the sense that they try to insinuate that the death are due to the virus without making it super clear, especially since they know that it is not. Life expectancy has increased despite the pandemic. Now, the trend is maybe lower, but it is clear that it is not directly the result of the virus, but also other factors such as stress, anxiety, and any other consequences that were caused by the situation of COVID( more drinking, drogue, job losses, etc..). The fact that they counted all COVID positive people that have died as death caused by the Virus, renders those stats, at best, questionable. Heart attack can be caused by fear or anxiety. Most old people when tested positive, do react with fear and anxiety.
You can focus on the negative side if you want, but the fact that life expectancy, and population growth remains positive despite all that madness, i believe that it is a clear indication that the Virus danger was super inflated.

You obviously know better than the peer reviewed articles in the the Journal of the American medical association.

I think more people with logic similar to yours should follow your medical advice and leave the less qualified doctors to the rest of us. A solution to two of societies problems

 

[CLOUD 500]

That is just unfuckingbelievable.

Covid is everywhere. What could this possibly accomplish?

It traps people who test positive in Canada. And there could be many of them, given that more people are walking around with Covid than ever before, often with no symptoms as a result of vaccinations or prior infection.

What good could that possibly accomplish?

COVID reinfection has a silver lining—one that may help tame the pandemic

When we talk about immune-evading variants, we’re really only talking about antibody immunity—and that’s only half of the story.

www.yahoo.com

”Nearly half of nationwide sewage testing sites reported COVID levels at 60% to 100% of their all-time high as of this week, according to CDC data.”

I use the logic, if it is no big deal to do it then it is no big deal to not do it. Your guess is as good of mine. Trudeau is power hungry. It is for the sake of power and control. That is why I call it authoritarian because it is not to protect or to help, it is just a tactic to control. This is politically motivated. But in Canada we got many loyal Liberal voters that will applaud Trudeau for doing this, they support authoritarianism. Government says, I obey is their moto.

 

[sene5hos]

They manipulate the data.

No they are not the ones who manipulate the data, no I will not name it, but everyone in Canada knows who I am talking about.

 

[Francoquart]

You obviously know better than the peer reviewed articles in the the Journal of the American medical association.

I think more people with logic similar to yours should follow your medical advice and leave the less qualified doctors to the rest of us. A solution to two of societies problems

Medical Advice? You want to discredit my opinion by inventing things?
I have never given a medical advice. But always claiming things that do not exist, or not done, is part of the way YOU think. I question things, listen to different point of views, then try to make up an opinion. The fact that someone is labeled an expert does not dumb fascinate me, I will still question him, especially if other experts, in the same field have a different opinion. You follow the ones most institutionalized, and covered by the media. My conclusions are not advices. When the population growth is still positive, you find that alarming? Wasn't my thread originally directed to that? If this Virus was super dangerous, and requires that everyone be vaccinated, multiple times, to survive it, and no one is safe until everyone is safe, and all we have been bombarded with in the media, and then you discover that population has always been growing, you find that a logical outcome?

 

[gallantca]

Medical Advice? You want to discredit my opinion by inventing things?
I have never given a medical advice. But always claiming things that do not exist, or not done, is part of the way YOU think. I question things, listen to different point of views, then try to make up an opinion. The fact that someone is labeled an expert does not dumb fascinate me, I will still question him, especially if other experts, in the same field have a different opinion. You follow the ones most institutionalized, and covered by the media. My conclusions are not advices. When the population growth is still positive, you find that alarming? Wasn't my thread originally directed to that? If this Virus was super dangerous, and requires that everyone be vaccinated, multiple times, to survive it, and no one is safe until everyone is safe, and all we have been bombarded with in the media, and then you discover that population has always been growing, you find that an logical outcome?

I did not discredit your opinion. You specifically said "Covid did not decrease life expectancy", I showed you a scientific document in a medical journal (not media) that said it does.

Just trying to stop misinformation. Glad I could help

 

[Fradi]

Trudeau cannot resist, as of July 19 will be the return of random testing for covid 19 at Canadian airports. With all the chaos this is more needless red tape. Such things will not do anything to protect people it will just make peoples lives miserable and cause prices to go even higher. However thousands of refugees cross Roxham Rd daily and do not need to be vaccinated to enter.

EDITORIAL: Random testing is just more red tape

As if there weren’t enough turmoil at our airports, the federal government just announced it will return to random COVID-19 testing for fully vaccinated passengers,…

torontosun.com

This is the stupidest thing ever.
WTF does random testing achieve anyway you test one out of every 20 or 50 how many are likely to have Covid and how many of the people you don’t test have it.
Only an Idiot like Trudeau can come up with something as stupid as this.
There is no logic to this at all.
As mentioned above it will just make people miserable, angry, and cause more chaos and confusion.

Apparently if test is positive you have to isolate for 10 days yet nurses and teachers when testing positive have to be back at work after 5 how the fuck does this make sense to anyone except a politician or our Prime Minister.
Bring back the Truckers so this asshole can claim he has covid again and go hide in his bunker.

 

[sene5hos]

I did not discredit your opinion. You specifically said "Covid did not decrease life expectancy", I showed you a scientific document in a medical journal (not media) that said it does.

Just trying to stop misinformation. Glad I could help

THE CANADIAN PRESS:

Statistics Canada confirms that beyond the phenomena of population growth and aging of the population, the COVID-19 pandemic had a considerable impact on mortality in Canada in 2020, contributing to the largest annual decline in life expectancy in the country since 1921.

 

[Francoquart]

I did not discredit your opinion. You specifically said "Covid did not decrease life expectancy", I showed you a scientific document in a medical journal (not media) that said it does.

Just trying to stop misinformation. Glad I could help

What makes you so sure you are doing that? Just google life expectancy in russia and see how many claims they have increased. Most claims a 0.19 percent increase, few goes up to 0.58 percent. So excuse me if i do not believe the one you shared. Medical experts ( good ones), are not all in agreement, so there is room for discussions on the scientific level. I am no doctor, so I do not go into medical stuff. However, logic is something anyone can use. Sometimes, being outside of the field allows better questions.
My question remains. How is it logical that such a terrible Threat to life did not stop its growth on both levels, population and life expectancy? Most logical conclusion is that the threat was not that big and was inflated (not to be confused with a medical advice).

 

[Francoquart]

THE CANADIAN PRESS:

Statistics Canada confirms that beyond the phenomena of population growth and aging of the population, the COVID-19 pandemic had a considerable impact on mortality in Canada in 2020, contributing to the largest annual decline in life expectancy in the country since 1921.

Life expectancy is still increasing. The rate has lowered, but the growth is still positive. The impact on the decline in the GROWTH RATE (means positive not negative), is attributed to COVID, but that is doubtful for the reasons i already mentioned above.

 

[gallantca]

Just google life expectancy in russia and see how many claims they have increased.

Take the time to read the underlying report

Effects of covid-19 pandemic on life expectancy and premature mortality in 2020: time series analysis in 37 countries

Objective To estimate the changes in life expectancy and years of life lost in 2020 associated with the covid-19 pandemic. Design Time series analysis. Setting 37 upper-middle and high income countries or regions with reliable and complete mortality data. Participants Annual all cause...

www.bmj.com

A little more detailed than what you'll get by a google

My question remains. How is it logical that such a terrible Threat to life did not stop its growth on both levels, population and life expectancy? Most logical conclusion is that the threat was not that big and was inflated (not to be confused with a medical advice).

Population can grow and life expectancy drop. The two are different things. You said "life expectancy did not drop". I showed you data that shows that's wrong, but willing to look at anything you have that says it's true.

Unless it's simply your opinion that "it didn't do anything to life expectancy"

 

[Francoquart]

Take the time to read the underlying report

Effects of covid-19 pandemic on life expectancy and premature mortality in 2020: time series analysis in 37 countries

Objective To estimate the changes in life expectancy and years of life lost in 2020 associated with the covid-19 pandemic. Design Time series analysis. Setting 37 upper-middle and high income countries or regions with reliable and complete mortality data. Participants Annual all cause...

www.bmj.com

A little more detailed than what you'll get by a google



Population can grow and life expectancy drop. The two are different things. You said "life expectancy did not drop". I showed you data that shows that's wrong, but willing to look at anything you have that says it's true.

Unless it's simply your opinion that "it didn't do anything to life expectancy"

U.S. Life Expectancy 1950-2024

Chart and table of U.S. life expectancy from 1950 to 2024. United Nations projections are also included through the year 2100.

www.macrotrends.net

World Life Expectancy 1950-2024

Chart and table of World life expectancy from 1950 to 2024. United Nations projections are also included through the year 2100.

www.macrotrends.net

Life Expectancy by Country and in the World (2024) - Worldometer

List of countries and dependencies in the world ranked by life expectancy at birth, both sexes, males and females. World Population Life Expectancy with historical chart

www.worldometers.info

You can find many more, and they all state that life expectancy has grown. It is pretty obvious that life expectancy and population growth are a fact.

 

[Francoquart]

Main outcome measures Reduction in life expectancy was estimated as the difference between observed and expected life expectancy in 2020 using the Lee-Carter model. Excess years of life lost were estimated as the difference between the observed and expected years of life lost in 2020 using the World Health Organization standard life table.
This is the definition from the article on what the study is about.
It clearly specifies that it is the difference between observed and expected. So it is not a general value as to positive or negative to previous, but to expected. The negative difference to expected is to be blamed on COVID. This is again a manipulation. This study wants to give the idea that it is in decline as a general value, while in truth, it is simply a decline from expected values. And again, COVID is blamed, even though, it has become common knowledge that some cases should not have been claimed as COVID.
Regardless, the general values is still a positive one.