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gallantca

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Still not his point. He is showing the media coverage biasness.
Everything you are stating comes from that source. By proving that the media has not been focusing on the vaccinated in the ICU, but rather only the unvaccinated, it shows how bias it is. This puts all those numbers in question... Which means that repeating them to prove any point is just, well. kinda paroting..
Lots of the Statistics that are being presented are lacking depth, and some points are focused while others not. They might not be lies, but they are definitely misrepresenting.

I am not following your logic, but honestly I don't think there is any logic to follow.
There is no media involved here. There is a report from the ministry of health
Boner's summary that 50% are vaccinated vs 50% unvaccinated is misleading since it does not take into consideration of how many people are in each group
Cloud tried to highlight this
You seemed very confused in your numbers
I tried a simple explanation but obviously not simple enough
Please show where there is a bias. The ministries report always used X vaccinated, 100-X unvaccinated. No bias
 
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Chouin95

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I am not following your logic, but honestly I don't think there is any logic to follow.
There is no media involved here. There is a report from the ministry of health
Boner's summary that 50% are vaccinated vs 50% unvaccinated is misleading since it does not take into consideration of how many people are in each group
Cloud tried to highlight this
You seemed very confused in your numbers
I tried a simple explanation but obviously not simple enough
Please show where there is a bias. The ministries report always used X vaccinated, 100-X unvaccinated. No bias
A simple explanation… with random numbers and imaginary fractions that lead to a result of several hundreds out of dozens of millions…
It’s almost eye bleeding to me whatever your opinions may be.
 

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Strong as a bear and swift as a deer with a mind moving at the speed of a snail.
What`s so hard to understand. The numbers show that unvaccinated people are 6 times more likely to end up in a hospital ICU than fully vaccinated individuals. Its not complicated.
 
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I am not following your logic, but honestly I don't think there is any logic to follow.
There is no media involved here. There is a report from the ministry of health
Boner's summary that 50% are vaccinated vs 50% unvaccinated is misleading since it does not take into consideration of how many people are in each group
Cloud tried to highlight this
You seemed very confused in your numbers
I tried a simple explanation but obviously not simple enough
Please show where there is a bias. The ministries report always used X vaccinated, 100-X unvaccinated. No bias
It always makes me smile when someone believes he is smarter than the other, then continues by not saying or adding much.

"Canadians news ever report on vaccinated in ICU?
Nahhh.."
These 2 points are what Bonerland citizen trying to establish. You are looking at the statistics and trying to calculate the % of people in the ICU.
He is trying to show that even though the numbers are almost equal, the Media is only focusing on the non vaccinated. NOT the link he offered, but the media in general. Now if you are not listening, reading, and following the media, then that is what is happening. They even called it the wave of the Unvaccinated.. Those numbers just proves that their are almost equal numbers. Now this is only one interpretation. The other thing to wonder about, why are we not really hearing from the Media the number of vaccinated cases that are hospitalized or got COVID? Maybe if we get these numbers, we might discover that they are proportionally the same. I mean who can say the opposite. So, the point he is trying to make is that: Media Coverage..
As a logical deduction, if the Media is purposefully not covering the COVID among the vaccinated, and focusing only on the Non- Vaccinated, then it is what we call a BIAS. Which in turns raises flags.
I hope this was a simple enough explanation to understand my logic.
 

Chouin95

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Strong as a bear and swift as a deer with a mind moving at the speed of a snail.
What`s so hard to understand. The numbers show that unvaccinated people are 6 times more likely to end up in a hospital ICU than fully vaccinated individuals. Its not complicated.
The man who fears losing has already lost.
 
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gallantca

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Here is a little chart for you

It's the media showing the full picture, not picking a choosing the stats you want "Those numbers just proves that their are almost equal numbers". Really ?

I'll assume you are in the 40 yo age group.

Vaccinated 20 people. Unvaccinated 401 in hospital . Almost equal ?

Sure, take the 80 yo 173+43 vaccinated/partially vaccinated vs 192 unvaccinated. Quick, make that a headline. When you only use bits and pieces, like Boner is doing, you can skew your numbers. Yes, vaccinated 80 year olds are dying at a higher percentage and the anti vaxxers go "see, the vaccine doesn't work".


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Fox News propagandist Tucker Carlson goes straight up anti-vaccine in response to the death of Colin Powell.

Tucker Carlson only speaks the truth for his sheepeople. I listened to what he said and left me sadden for people who believe him.

Collin Powell had cancer. To be exact he had multiple myeloma. Cancer of plasma cells which lowers your chances to fight off infections.
 

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Federal MPs will need to be fully vaccinated to sit in the House of Commons, its president, Liberal Anthony Rota, announced on Tuesday.

The obligation to be adequately vaccinated will come into force as of November 22, the date of resumption of parliamentary work.

This requirement will apply to anyone wishing to enter the premises of the House of Commons, including Members of Parliament and their staff, employees of political research offices, employees of the administration, members of the Press Gallery parliamentarian, business visitors to Parliament, contractors and consultants, said in a statement Mr. Rota, also chairman of the Board of Internal Economy, the governing body of the House of Commons.
 
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Doubly vaccinated and in good shape at 73, contaminated to death by his anti-vaccine heat pump salesman.

A healthy 73-year-old man died in just days from COVID after a visit from an unvaccinated heating company employee who was carrying the virus and who did not adhere to sanitary measures.

Moreover, the employee in question doesn't hide his anti-vaccine and anti-health measures convictions on social networks.
 

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Doubly vaccinated and in good shape at 73, contaminated to death by his anti-vaccine heat pump salesman.

A healthy 73-year-old man died in just days from COVID after a visit from an unvaccinated heating company employee who was carrying the virus and who did not adhere to sanitary measures.

Moreover, the employee in question doesn't hide his anti-vaccine and anti-health measures convictions on social networks.
Not sure where this fits... Are you attacking the non vaccinated or realizing that the vaccine sux
 

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Based on the story the unvaccinated culprit should be tried for 2nd degree murder. No different than knowingly giving AIDS to someone who dies from it.
The vaccine is not 100% effective , nobody is trying to hide that fact. The victim may have had an underlying ailment that he wasn`t aware of.
Vaccinated people shed a lot less virus if they catch covid so its harder for them to infect others.
 

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Based on the story the unvaccinated culprit should be tried for 2nd degree murder. No different than knowingly giving AIDS to someone who dies from it.
The vaccine is not 100% effective , nobody is trying to hide that fact. The victim may have had an underlying ailment that he wasn`t aware of.
Vaccinated people shed a lot less virus if they catch covid so its harder for them to infect others.
You serious.... This is just radical and irresponsible.. this kinda of thinking is a recipe for civil unrest or even civil wars... People need to calm the fuck down. The more time goes on, the more we are discovering how this vaccine is not such a miracle worker. Time reveals all....
 
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Based on the story the unvaccinated culprit should be tried for 2nd degree murder. No different than knowingly giving AIDS to someone who dies from it.
The vaccine is not 100% effective , nobody is trying to hide that fact. The victim may have had an underlying ailment that he wasn`t aware of.
Vaccinated people shed a lot less virus if they catch covid so its harder for them to infect others.

Media suppression of research critical of WHO, NIH, and Health Canada doctrine, leaves considerable room for doubt.

"At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases. In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people."
S. V. Subramanian, Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies, Cambridge, MA USA


"When light does not shine, fungus grows."
 
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QUÉBEC....BONNE NOUVELLE.....90% ont recu leur 1ère dose et 86 % sont doublement vaccinés.....c'est super...et bravo à notre grand sens des responsabilités.....on la gagne cette bataille...lol.

Autre bonne nouvelle.....LEGAULT se dit maintenant prêt à lever l'urgence sanitaire début 2022....présumant que les enfants --5 à 11 ans---- seront alors vaccinés et que l'immunité collective serait alors atteinte......great great great....surtout à la veille des élections ;)

Cependant DUBÉ a bien pris soin de préciser que la levée de l'urgence sanitaire ne signifiait pas la levée COMPLÈTE de toutes les MESURES sanitaires.....belle prudence.
 

gallantca

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Media suppression of research critical of WHO, NIH, and Health Canada doctrine, leaves considerable room for doubt.

"At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases. In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people."
S. V. Subramanian, Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies, Cambridge, MA USA


"When light does not shine, fungus grows."

Thank you for shedding the light on paper that says that vaccine reduces severe hospitalization and deaths.
 

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Good news:

 

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Can't look at the raw numbers alone have to measure in proportion to the population. Assume there's 100,000 seniors >80 living in Alberta & 85% are vaccinated, 15% are not.

173/85,000 = 0.2% of vaccinated seniors get hospitalized.

197/15,000 = 1.3% of non-vaccinated seniors get hospitalized.

Conclusion: non-vaccinated seniors are 1.3/0.2 = 6.5x more likely to get hospitalized. Table shows 1271/146 = 8.7x more likely.

The numbers (173 vs 197) might be close, but the proportions tell a very different story.
 

gallantca

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Can't look at the raw numbers alone have to measure in proportion to the population. Assume there's 100,000 seniors >80 living in Alberta & 85% are vaccinated, 15% are not.

173/85,000 = 0.2% of vaccinated seniors get hospitalized.

197/15,000 = 1.3% of non-vaccinated seniors get hospitalized.

Conclusion: non-vaccinated seniors are 1.3/0.2 = 6.5x more likely to get hospitalized. Table shows 1271/146 = 8.7x more likely.

The numbers (173 vs 197) might be close, but the proportions tell a very different story.
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yes, but when you do math it makes poor Chouin's eyes bleed so I attached one with a picture. No need for the math.

It has little red bars....big bar bad, little bar good.....(no hospitalization is good, but better)

A math nerd like you can divide the rates and see just how effective the vaccine is.
 

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NEW DELHI, Oct 21 (Reuters) - India celebrated the milestone of administering 1 billion COVID-19 vaccine doses on Thursday, with the government promoting the achievement in song and video even as a recent drop in inoculations worries healthcare providers.

Only in India = 1 billion COVID-19 vaccine doses.
 
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