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COVID's vaccine, by whom, when, effective? all around the vaccine

gallantca

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Lets take a different perspective, if a flu case is severe and hospitalized, will you suggest that everybody need to take the flue shot? Of course not, but the COVID :eek:.
I believe that the best way to fight COVID effectively is actually in the ICU. Make them better to accommodate more people, and give our immunity a chance to adapt and fight it naturally. This is the best way to reduce the Variants. The Vaccine will also become more effective for the people at risk, instead of having to keep taking Booster shots to deal with variants.

If any infectious disease be it a flu, small pox, ebola is

a) virulent and deadly enough, to overrun the health care system of every country in the world.
b) has a vaccine that significantly reduces the burden on these health care system

yes, I would mandate a vaccine. Both have been shown to be true.

How did we get the delta variant....let it rip through society and see where we end up. Great strategy you have there.

You use the argument "the vaccinated are not at risk". This is false. They are at reduced risk of catching covid, they are at significantly reduced risk of being very ill. Many still are at risk due to underlying conditions. Those that can't be vaccinated are at risk. Then let's consider the risk due to an overwhelmed healthcare system due to the unvaccinated.

Again, you are free to not get vaccinated, just stay at home and don't put a burden on the rest of society because you think the vaccine is dangerous, despite what the data behind billions, yes billions, of vaccinations has shown.
 

wetnose

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Since it's that time of the year again, let's take a critical look at cold weather jackets:

 

gaby

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Gaby, Mr.Dubé n'avait pas le choix. Mets-toi à sa place.
Ouin après réflexion et ma montée de lait passée ;) force est de reconnaître que DUBÉ a mis l'INTÉRÊT SUPÉRIEUR de la nation first....et doit aussi tirer la lecon que gérer au public est bien différent de gérer au privé....deux réalités bien différentes...lol.
 

gallantca

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Ouin après réflexion et ma montée de lait passée ;) force est de reconnaître que DUBÉ a mis l'INTÉRÊT SUPÉRIEUR de la nation first....et doit aussi tirer la lecon que gérer au public est bien différent de gérer au privé....deux réalités bien différentes...lol.

L'erreur de Dubé est d'avoir mis un ultimatum donc il pouvait pas survivre les conséquences.
Il aurait du accepter des choses comme des tests fréquents
Ceux qui n'ont pas une première dose, n'auront pas 2 doses d'ici le 15 Novembre, alors il a perdu face est sera pas plus avancé le 15 Novembre.
Il aurait du donner un autre mois a ceux avec un premier vaccin, c'est tout. En fait il aurait jamais du faire l'ultimatum, mais c'est fait.

Je trouve ca drôle. C'est le médecins qui sont le plus vaccinés, suivis des pharmaciens, suivi des infirmières, suivi des infirmières auxiliaires, suivi des sages femmes....Ceux qui connaissent le plus les détails des risques et avantages, sont les plus vaccinés. Intéressant.
 
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This all comes down to hospitalizations. It's that simple. It's just basic math. The ressources in healthcare are limited and cannot support tens of thoussnds of covid patients.

If everyone who caught covid and got very ill stayed home and died in their bed, the rest of society would not care.

But in reality they come to the hospital and burden the entire healthcare system. My patients have had their potentially cancerous tumor removals post-poned indefinitly because of unvaccinated idiots clogging up everything.

If say 5% of covid patients need hospital care, and we were to let delta run wild and it ended up infecting the entire population over a few weeks, we would have hundreds of thousands of hospitalized covid patients.

The solution is either lockdown indefinitly to prevent infecrions or get the population vaccinated so they don't end up hospitalised.

There is no other alternative.
 

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Low vaccination rate in Beauce.

In general, the situation is explained, in part, by a lower vaccination rate in Beauce than elsewhere in Quebec, says Dr. Romero: 64% of 18-39 year olds are adequately vaccinated in Beauce, compared to 75%. throughout the Chaudière-Appalaches region.
 
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bonerland citizen

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The world model 84% vaxxed Singapore.
From Ministry of health. Not news nor fake news.
Canadians news ever report on vaccinated in ICU?
Nahhh.....

Update on Local COVID-19 Situation (18 Oct 2021)


Situation update

Over the last 28 days, 98.6% of local infected cases were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms, 1.1% required oxygen supplementation, and 0.1% had been in the ICU. Amongst those who required oxygen supplementation and ICU, 48.8% were fully vaccinated and 51.2% were unvaccinated/ partially vaccinated.
 

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You just had a boner moment .
So the unvaccinated who make up 16% of the population were responsible for 51% of those who ended up with a serious condition in the ICU.
Nobody said the vaccines were 100% effective but they are 95% effective in keeping you out of the ICU and alive.
 

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You just had a boner moment .
So the unvaccinated who make up 16% of the population were responsible for 51% of those who ended up with a serious condition in the ICU.
Nobody said the vaccines were 100% effective but they are 95% effective in keeping you out of the ICU and alive.
Is that a serious reply!!! Almost 50 % are vaccinated, and you go on to the 16% not vaccinated?? His point was to show that in terms of numbers they are almost equal and yet the media does not bother specifying it.. That is suspicious indeed, and shows how one sided it is. This also makes you wonder what else is not being covered regarding the vaccines, since those statistics, at the very least, touches their credibility.
 

gallantca

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Is that a serious reply!!! Almost 50 % are vaccinated, and you go on to the 16% not vaccinated?? His point was to show that in terms of numbers they are almost equal and yet the media does not bother specifying it.. That is suspicious indeed, and shows how one sided it is. This also makes you wonder what else is not being covered regarding the vaccines, since those statistics, at the very least, touches their credibility.
His reply makes perfect sense.

85% of the population is vaccinated, 15% not vaccinated. If there are 100million people 85million vaccinated, 15million not vaccinated

Let's say 1000 people get hospitalized. 50% are vaccinated so 500 people. 50% are unvaccinated, 500 people

So 500 of 85 million vs 500 of 15 million people, so about 6x worst.
 
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Francoquart

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His reply makes perfect sense.

85% of the population is vaccinated, 15% not vaccinated. If there are 100million people 85million vaccinated, 15million not vaccinated

Let's say 1000 people get hospitalized. 50% are vaccinated so 500 people. 50% are unvaccinated, 500 people

So 500 of 85 million vs 500 of 15 million people, so about 6x worst.
Still not his point. He is showing the media coverage biasness.
Everything you are stating comes from that source. By proving that the media has not been focusing on the vaccinated in the ICU, but rather only the unvaccinated, it shows how bias it is. This puts all those numbers in question... Which means that repeating them to prove any point is just, well. kinda paroting..
Lots of the Statistics that are being presented are lacking depth, and some points are focused while others not. They might not be lies, but they are definitely misrepresenting.
 
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gallantca

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Still not his point. He is showing the media coverage biasness.
Everything you are stating comes from that source. By proving that the media has not been focusing on the vaccinated in the ICU, but rather only the unvaccinated, it shows how bias it is. This puts all those numbers in question... Which means that repeating them to prove any point is just, well. kinda paroting..
Lots of the Statistics that are being presented are lacking depth, and some points are focused while others not. They might not be lies, but they are definitely misrepresenting.

I am not following your logic, but honestly I don't think there is any logic to follow.
There is no media involved here. There is a report from the ministry of health
Boner's summary that 50% are vaccinated vs 50% unvaccinated is misleading since it does not take into consideration of how many people are in each group
Cloud tried to highlight this
You seemed very confused in your numbers
I tried a simple explanation but obviously not simple enough
Please show where there is a bias. The ministries report always used X vaccinated, 100-X unvaccinated. No bias
 
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Chouin95

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I am not following your logic, but honestly I don't think there is any logic to follow.
There is no media involved here. There is a report from the ministry of health
Boner's summary that 50% are vaccinated vs 50% unvaccinated is misleading since it does not take into consideration of how many people are in each group
Cloud tried to highlight this
You seemed very confused in your numbers
I tried a simple explanation but obviously not simple enough
Please show where there is a bias. The ministries report always used X vaccinated, 100-X unvaccinated. No bias
A simple explanation… with random numbers and imaginary fractions that lead to a result of several hundreds out of dozens of millions…
It’s almost eye bleeding to me whatever your opinions may be.
 

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Strong as a bear and swift as a deer with a mind moving at the speed of a snail.
What`s so hard to understand. The numbers show that unvaccinated people are 6 times more likely to end up in a hospital ICU than fully vaccinated individuals. Its not complicated.
 
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Francoquart

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I am not following your logic, but honestly I don't think there is any logic to follow.
There is no media involved here. There is a report from the ministry of health
Boner's summary that 50% are vaccinated vs 50% unvaccinated is misleading since it does not take into consideration of how many people are in each group
Cloud tried to highlight this
You seemed very confused in your numbers
I tried a simple explanation but obviously not simple enough
Please show where there is a bias. The ministries report always used X vaccinated, 100-X unvaccinated. No bias
It always makes me smile when someone believes he is smarter than the other, then continues by not saying or adding much.

"Canadians news ever report on vaccinated in ICU?
Nahhh.."
These 2 points are what Bonerland citizen trying to establish. You are looking at the statistics and trying to calculate the % of people in the ICU.
He is trying to show that even though the numbers are almost equal, the Media is only focusing on the non vaccinated. NOT the link he offered, but the media in general. Now if you are not listening, reading, and following the media, then that is what is happening. They even called it the wave of the Unvaccinated.. Those numbers just proves that their are almost equal numbers. Now this is only one interpretation. The other thing to wonder about, why are we not really hearing from the Media the number of vaccinated cases that are hospitalized or got COVID? Maybe if we get these numbers, we might discover that they are proportionally the same. I mean who can say the opposite. So, the point he is trying to make is that: Media Coverage..
As a logical deduction, if the Media is purposefully not covering the COVID among the vaccinated, and focusing only on the Non- Vaccinated, then it is what we call a BIAS. Which in turns raises flags.
I hope this was a simple enough explanation to understand my logic.
 

Chouin95

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Strong as a bear and swift as a deer with a mind moving at the speed of a snail.
What`s so hard to understand. The numbers show that unvaccinated people are 6 times more likely to end up in a hospital ICU than fully vaccinated individuals. Its not complicated.
The man who fears losing has already lost.
 
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gallantca

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Here is a little chart for you

It's the media showing the full picture, not picking a choosing the stats you want "Those numbers just proves that their are almost equal numbers". Really ?

I'll assume you are in the 40 yo age group.

Vaccinated 20 people. Unvaccinated 401 in hospital . Almost equal ?

Sure, take the 80 yo 173+43 vaccinated/partially vaccinated vs 192 unvaccinated. Quick, make that a headline. When you only use bits and pieces, like Boner is doing, you can skew your numbers. Yes, vaccinated 80 year olds are dying at a higher percentage and the anti vaxxers go "see, the vaccine doesn't work".


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