The one thing we can say about Bergevin is that he is not trying to cover his ass or making moves to save his job...
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C'est exactement ce que j'ai ecrit ici quand j'ai appris qu'on ferais jouer Galchenyuk a 18 ans! Quelle erreur!! En plus il avait rate sa derniere annee de junior a cause d'une blessure majeure a son genou! Ca ne faisait aucun bon sens de le garder au lieu de le retourner a son club junior! En plus l'equipe perdait un an de controle (de contrat) en le faisant jouer dans la LNH tout de suite. C'etait carrement stupide et je me genais pas de le dire!
Avec la plupart de jeunes joueurs de 18 ans il faut etre patient et le renvoyer a leur club junior pour leur donner le temps de progresser c'est la solution. Les Maple Leafs ont pris leur temps avec William Nylander et Nazem Kadri. Avant de jouer avec la grosse equipe ils ont retournes au junior et ensuite jouer au moins une annee avec le club ferme. Sure, il y a des exceptions quand sa vient aux 'phenoms' comme Connor McDavid, John Tavares, Sidney Crosby et Auston Matthews. Claude Giroux des Flyers a ete retourne a Gatineau apres sa selection et a jouer au moins un an avec le club-ferme des Flyers avant d'etre rappelle par les Flyers.
Il y a tellement de carrieres prometteuses qui ont ete ruines par les D-G impatients! C'est ce qui est arrive a Galchenyuk a mon avis. Cependant il est pas trop tard pour qu'il se reprenne. Mais je suis certain que si le CH aurait ete plus patient avec lui lorsqu'il avait 18-19 ans qu'il serait encore avec l'equipe aujourdhui.
I'm willing to bet that Daniel Carr will be a very good player and scorer in Vegas. Then people will wonder what the habs were thinking when they let him go!
Oui l'erreur de Bergevin à son arrivée fut celle de vouloir tout de suite être compétitif ce qui a faussé les attentes sur son équipe.
Il aurait dû, en début de mandât, alors qu'il avait encore la sympathie du public et des médias, construire pour l'avenir, à la place il a cru avoir une chance aux grands honneurs trop tôt, lui Molson et Therrien.
Cependant, celui dont les motivations m'échappent demeure Claude Julien. Je ne sais pas ce qu'il est revenu faire ici ni ce qu'il fait réellement avec l'équipe, ses assistants et compagnie. Therrien n'était pas très bon et semble qu'il ne se trouvera pas une autre équipe à entrainer dans la NHL, un autre coach québécois brûlé. Mais Julien avait d'autres possibilités et il revient à Montréal pour avoir des résultats minables, plus de défaites que de victoires... Un autre qui a mal évalué la situation...
Bergevin bien qu'il nie la reconstruction dans les médias agit pour l'avenir du club ce qui est réjouissant cette fois-ci, mais qui fait rager les partisans impatients.
Dans l'avenir, malheureusement pour Bergevin, ce sera un autre DG du Canadien qui soulèvera la coupe.
Hé oui, il y'aura un jour, brave partisans et détracteurs, oui, il y'aura un jour, une coupe à Montréal et j'irai jusqu'à dire dans ce siècle-ci!
Il aurait dû, en début de mandât, alors qu'il avait encore la sympathie du public et des médias, construire pour l'avenir, à la place il a cru avoir une chance aux grands honneurs trop tôt, lui Molson et Therrien.
Cependant, celui dont les motivations m'échappent demeure Claude Julien. Je ne sais pas ce qu'il est revenu faire ici ni ce qu'il fait réellement avec l'équipe, ses assistants et compagnie. Therrien n'était pas très bon et semble qu'il ne se trouvera pas une autre équipe à entrainer dans la NHL, un autre coach québécois brûlé. Mais Julien avait d'autres possibilités et il revient à Montréal pour avoir des résultats minables, plus de défaites que de victoires... Un autre qui a mal évalué la situation...
Bergevin bien qu'il nie la reconstruction dans les médias agit pour l'avenir du club ce qui est réjouissant cette fois-ci, mais qui fait rager les partisans impatients.
Dans l'avenir, malheureusement pour Bergevin, ce sera un autre DG du Canadien qui soulèvera la coupe.
Hé oui, il y'aura un jour, brave partisans et détracteurs, oui, il y'aura un jour, une coupe à Montréal et j'irai jusqu'à dire dans ce siècle-ci!
He is making moves that won't improve the team in the short term in a major way (like when Gauthier got Gomez, for example, it had a positive impact the first year, but hurt it in the long run) and is working on the team getting younger and the Rockets getting better. Plekanec, Ouellet and Chaput are not impact players.
Not selling the farm to get O'Reilly or Stasny was a good thing.
What I mean is those moves, mainly from the draft, may be felt, if ever, when he is gone, not while he is GM to reap the rewards. I think that he is acting quite responsibly and putting of the team first and not his ass.
It seems Bergevin is learning on the job and doing today what he should have done six years ago.
The day sadly is approaching for him, that if and when the Habs are out of contention again next January, or even earlier just doing badly in November, he will be shown the door this time.
Maybe but it will be without James Neil, who is now with the Calgary Flames.
En plus le depart de Julien a Boston fait bien paraitre Bruce Cassidy. Il a connu un enorme succes depuis qu'il a remplace Julien. Julien le fait paraitre comme un entraineur-geni.
True. But Gerard Gallant seems to have the knack to turn average hockey players into goal-scoring wizzards!
Maybe but i believe it's quite possible Bergevin has tried to sign top free agents but was rebuffed. We do know he went after Paul Stastny. Stastny chose Vegas and no one can blame him. We also know that he wanted to go after John Tavares but Tavares didn't even grant him a meeting. Tavares had no intention of playing for the habs and didn't want to waste Bergevin's time. And who knows who else Bergevin was interested in?
The problem is that currently no one of consequence wants to play in Montreal. The team's captain doesn't even want to play in Montreal. I'm also not to certain Carey Price wants to play in Montreal. Bergevin didn't pick up much but he picked up players who wanted to play in Montreal. So whether or not that's considered a re-build who knows. Maybe a re-build will be forced upon him, whether he likes it or not.
So until i see the team getting rid of their big, fat contracts (Price, Weber) i cannot say that the habs are rebuilding. A true rebuild means getting rid of all your big contracts and start from scratch by racking up the future draft picks. Not 4th rounder or 7th rounders, which likely will never see the day in the NHL.
Oui c'est ça, alors que tous ces jeunes joueurs auraient pu jouer pour Julien aussi.
Qui sait? Peut-être que Big Z ne pouvait plus le blairer et qu'il fallait qu'il parte de Boston.
Mais bon, 5M$US par année c'est pas à dédaigner pour coacher ton équipe préférée et avoir une deuxième chance pour faire mieux.
If there is a re-build it will be from the next management team.
And yes he did try to land some big names but to what extent was he willing to go. Seems things are happening and he is forced to do things that are not in his own best interest but better serve the team in the long haul.
Don't know about that, he is spending the summer in Montreal for the first time, he bought a Big house in Westmount and seems to enjoy the interacting with the fans.
Of course having all this trade talk and turning down the Kings and getting rid of his agent is some major distractions, but from what I can see he does not hate it in Montreal, he could be in Florida right now, having a beer with Therrien and bitching about Bergevin, but he is still in Montreal, like a true Habs Capitaine and enjoying the heat wave I guess, with the rest of us,.
I'm sure Pacioretty loves the city of Montreal and the people. It's the soap opera-like atmosphere around the team that he's fed up with. The constant rumours about him being traded and criticism from management.
If i'm Max Pacioretty i renounce the captaincy and in the process get rid of tons of pressure from my shoulders. I also spend the rest of the season in Montreal until i get traded at the deadline or sooner and then i become an unrestricted free agent once the season ends. Pacioretty knows fully well he's very likely getting $7 million+ on a longterm deal from whichever team wants him. He knows there are more attractive cities to play for elsewhere. Turning down Florida or Tampa would be very hard, especially if you consider there is no state income tax there. Vegas would be hard to turn down. And the three California franchises would definitely be hard to turn down (if the money was right). He probably would have agreed to the Kings deal had they offered him more money. Can't blame him for holding out for more money since he very likely will get it come next year. And he'll be able to chose where he wants to spend the rest of his NHL career.
If i'm Max Pacioretty i renounce the captaincy and in the process get rid of tons of pressure from my shoulders. I also spend the rest of the season in Montreal until i get traded at the deadline or sooner and then i become an unrestricted free agent once the season ends. Pacioretty knows fully well he's very likely getting $7 million+ on a longterm deal from whichever team wants him. He knows there are more attractive cities to play for elsewhere. Turning down Florida or Tampa would be very hard, especially if you consider there is no state income tax there. Vegas would be hard to turn down. And the three California franchises would definitely be hard to turn down (if the money was right). He probably would have agreed to the Kings deal had they offered him more money. Can't blame him for holding out for more money since he very likely will get it come next year. And he'll be able to chose where he wants to spend the rest of his NHL career.
..oui mais pour arriver à ses fins Max devra y mettre la gomme et jouer du hockey inspiré et exceptionnel dans des conditions difficiles...pas évident...mais il se doit de revenir à une production MINIMALE de 60 points comme dans les 3 saisons précédentes.....tout un challenge..et c'est lui seul qui détient la réponse.
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Is there any precedent for renouncing a captaincy? I know some guys have been stripped of captaincies but I don’t recall a captaincy being renounced in sports.
Here are the top 15 NHL captains who were stripped of
the “C”:
https://www.thesportster.com/hockey/top-15-nhl-captains-who-were-stripped-of-the-c/
The only guys on that list who were stripped for hockey performance related reasons was Dustin Brown, who simply sucked goat balls after being named Captain, and Joe Thornton, whose team suffered an epic playoff meltdown on his captaincy watch. Nobody on that list is really similar to Pacioretty.
Is there any precedent for renouncing a captaincy? I know some guys have been stripped of captaincies but I don’t recall a captaincy being renounced in sports.
Here are the top 15 NHL captains who were stripped of
the “C”:
https://www.thesportster.com/hockey/top-15-nhl-captains-who-were-stripped-of-the-c/
The only guys on that list who were stripped for hockey performance related reasons was Dustin Brown, who simply sucked goat balls after being named Captain, and Joe Thornton, whose team suffered an epic playoff meltdown on his captaincy watch. Nobody on that list is really similar to Pacioretty.
Don't think he will renounce captaincy, in fact, I think he is getting more confortable with it.
He must however do much better than what his numbers were last year, by any means necessary (without Desharnais, Galchenyuk, Subban, ...) to get that 7M$ a year deal. He was offered 6 years at 36M$ and said no to the Kings.
At some point those amounts are just a question of pride and ego...
There is something called the happiness index and that, for most people is not solely a question of money... Once your basic needs are met, to really feel differently with a salary of 6-7 or 11M$US... I guess the true wealth comes from what you do with such a salary but true happiness is found elsewhere as the guru says.
Johnson from the Columbus Blue Jackets, now a Pittsburgh Penguin could tell us something about wealth management and happiness or rather what not to do with family members and money as a sport pro.
He must however do much better than what his numbers were last year, by any means necessary (without Desharnais, Galchenyuk, Subban, ...) to get that 7M$ a year deal. He was offered 6 years at 36M$ and said no to the Kings.
At some point those amounts are just a question of pride and ego...
There is something called the happiness index and that, for most people is not solely a question of money... Once your basic needs are met, to really feel differently with a salary of 6-7 or 11M$US... I guess the true wealth comes from what you do with such a salary but true happiness is found elsewhere as the guru says.
Johnson from the Columbus Blue Jackets, now a Pittsburgh Penguin could tell us something about wealth management and happiness or rather what not to do with family members and money as a sport pro.
Did not remember Joe Sakic loosing the captaincy, but the story says the team moved to Colorado and he got it back and that made more sens. A 17 year captain, Joe Sakic, won cups and was the heart of the team and even as a Nordic, for so long was the only one on the ice while coach Bergeron and the rest of the Nordics just tanked and tanked.
Love that picture with the black eye.
Sadly, captain Joe Thornton and future Hall of Fame first ballot inductee, was not as lucky.
Love that picture with the black eye.
Sadly, captain Joe Thornton and future Hall of Fame first ballot inductee, was not as lucky.
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