grand prix mtl anti hobby campaigns
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Sex selling isn't a sport either, why dont they have a campaign for them as well cause it spikes through the roof during that week?
Completely irrelevant comparison from these feminist groups!
Racing isn't a sport either if we get technical, running is, hockey is, tennis is..but driving a vehicle is not a sport
Valid argument but its hard to define whats a sport not to derail the thread. Like do you consider a jockey an athlete? Are professional dart players or pool players sports or athletes? I would say racing is a sport, much as I don't really consider it in the logical sense, just not the most athletic requiring one, more a reflex and concentration based one.
That, its a terrible slogan no idea what the sport tie in is about.
That, its a terrible slogan no idea what the sport tie in is about.
The concern seems to be about the *exploitation* of prostitutes, with particular attention to underage girls. I assume everyone on this board is against the exploitation of escorts and the hiring of underage girls. There are many feminist groups who advocate for the legalization of sex work and a broader cultural respect for it.
These politicians (massé, thérieaut) have one goal and it is to expose themselve for political publicity and will make sure to say that prostitution equals exploitation of minors and violence against woman. They do not want to hear or be tied to any group advocating legalization as it would be bad for their political career and their party. They should have sex more often, it would open their mind a little bit.
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This has always been about the enforcement of traditional family and religious values. The Bible is very paternalistic and adding more and more restrictions is in line with those values. If they really want to bust on sexual exploitation their best bet is to legalize it. No matter what they will never be able to stop it. There will always be demand for sex and with the current receding economy there will always be women turning to prostitution to make ends meet. LE should work corporately with sex workers to target minors and pimps. Sex workers are in the business they would know better then anyone else. So having said that is this really about sexual exploitation or just another plow to enforce traditional family and religious values?
This campaign is a publicity stunt and nothing more. The Montreal escort industry functions normally during the GP weekend except that both demand and supply are above normal. For the media to give attention to this kind of feminist propaganda shows how easily reporters and editors can be manipulated to publicize certain causes. 
http://www.cjad.com/cjad-news/2014/04/17/real-estate-broker-busted-for-pimping
Grand Prix Weekend protest/and high profile arrest is very old news ,
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Grand Prix Weekend protest/and high profile arrest is very old news ,
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What's new? It's the same every year.
I hope one day we stop mixing things up. Human trafficking, forced labor, sexual abuse: this is what we should, as a society, fight against. Not consenting adults having sex with each other and adding money to the equation.
As someone noted above, there are many feminists and/or feminist groups who advocate decriminalization or legalization of sex work. To me, prohibition is only good old fashioned sexism: a woman want to do what she wants with her body, how dare she? Who are we to tell adult women who they should or shouldn't have sex with and in what context.
I hope one day we stop mixing things up. Human trafficking, forced labor, sexual abuse: this is what we should, as a society, fight against. Not consenting adults having sex with each other and adding money to the equation.
As someone noted above, there are many feminists and/or feminist groups who advocate decriminalization or legalization of sex work. To me, prohibition is only good old fashioned sexism: a woman want to do what she wants with her body, how dare she? Who are we to tell adult women who they should or shouldn't have sex with and in what context.
You are confusing paternalism with feminism. Good old fashioned feminism makes women out to be victims. Paternalism as in conservative and religious zealots aim to restrict to enforce women to follow traditional societal norms.
This campaign is a publicity stunt and nothing more. The Montreal escort industry functions normally during the GP weekend except that both demand and supply are above normal. For the media to give attention to this kind of feminist propaganda shows how easily reporters and editors can be manipulated to publicize certain causes.
I remember seeing one of those campaigns a few years ago, a huge plastic vagina was on display close to mountain Mont-Royal. This vagina gave me nasty thoughts than anything else noble. On the other hand and as a Montrealer who loves and cares about his beautiful city, I hate it when I see those drunken morons on Crescent Street taking pictures with the silicon babes out there before calling an escort agency.
Let's face it, the people who visit Montreal during F1 are not your typical smart and classy men (there are exceptions of course).
I agree with what was said about mixing the trafficking/child exploitation with the more normalized two consenting adults. Either the level we operate at is highly unrepresentative of the norm, or campaigners who object to our choices know the only way to harm us is to lump us in with the worst of the worst. The fact is that this lifestyle continues to attract adult women and help them achieve their goals in life. Perhaps the better question these activists should ask is how 60 years of Quiet Revolution chased away businesses and created a distinct lack of opportunity that feeds this industry. People like to point to the success of the 'Nordic' model of criminalization in Norway and Sweden, but ignore how the economic realities over there compare to Quebec.
On a lighter note, I was just looking through ads on various websites the other day and thinking about how F1 weekend brings all those old favorites out of retirement!
I find this is all coming from ultra conservative and religious zealots. Paternalism is one of the main points of The Bible. Think about it... This Nordic model is so sexist. It essential states that all clients are predators and the sex workers are all victims either they were forced into it or are too mentally dysfunctional to make sane decisions. They cannot even conceive a young women would willingly decide to work as an escort. I guess all those men working dangerous jobs as miners or tree cutters are sane but sex workers are not? Weird. Fact is clients are just as much victims as the sex workers. The reviews speak for themselves. There are a lot of con artists and robbers of some who can be dangerous. This Nordic model only serves to protect those criminals out to rob Johns.
I'm not sure anyone from Montreal is in a position to stereotype F1 fans in such a negative way.
There have been very few incidents of violence associated with the grand prix weekend. If violence (like a knifing) does occasionally occur during the grand prix weekend, it is always the fault of local thugs and bikers and not well-to-do F1 fans visiting the city.
On the other hand, local Montreal hockey fans have a long history of violence and rioting.
Montreal hockey riots
Even so, economic opportunity makes a difference. When I am in Western Europe you can of course find locals working in this trade, but there is a huge influx of people from places with less opportunity like Romania, Hungary, Brazil...etc into the market. Not so in Montreal. Most of the people working are locals. My point is these people talk a lot about criminalization, but not a peep about the lack economic opportunity that feeds this in one way or another.
The anchor asks her point blank about adult women making a conscientious decision to work in this industry and the 'expert' deftly sidesteps it http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=884517
By her definition I am a dirty sex tourist who takes a woman for 12 hours a day and can do whatever I want to her body.
The anchor asks her point blank about adult women making a conscientious decision to work in this industry and the 'expert' deftly sidesteps it http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=884517
By her definition I am a dirty sex tourist who takes a woman for 12 hours a day and can do whatever I want to her body.
One of the things that has been lost/forgotten in this discussion is the ineffectiveness of lobby groups on behalf of sex workers. One of the reasons why these feminist/religious organizations get away with pushing these anti-hobby campaigns and perpetuation of ignorant and conclusory generalizations is that there is nobody there to stand up to them and call out their ignorance. Although I am American, I did watch on C-Span or one of the other cable networks the legislative debates that occurred with C-36 bill in Canada. I was shocked at the utter lack of forceful rebuttal during much of these debates. Many conclusory statements were made about the industry as a whole based on some extreme examples but there was nobody at those debates who was offering any forceful rebuttal to the Justice Minister and his minions. It is comical to me that a bill of this nature which is premised on many suppositions that are not correct was not being vigorously debated. It was very one sided. I have seen more intelligent debates than this in the Connecticut State Legislature.
The sex workers and the clients really didn't have an effective voice in all of this. There are Groups like "Stella", but I think they do not have an agenda to stand up for the industry in a more general way against legislation like C36.
The authorities no longer go after women, instead viewing them uniformly as "victims" who are being exploited rather than voluntary participants in a business endeavor that has been charged as illegal. Ironically as a result, it lessens the need for advocacy groups for sex workers and increases the need for advocacy groups for us- the clients of the businesses, who could end up being charged. While we all agree traffickers should be charged, it's not clear where the lines are being drawn. And it's also a lot harder to advocate for people who almost uniformly don't want their names, faces or addresses being known. I have given a lot of thought lately about what can be done to stop some of this nonsense in terms of advocacy groups being formed or incentivized. Let me know what you guys think.
The sex workers and the clients really didn't have an effective voice in all of this. There are Groups like "Stella", but I think they do not have an agenda to stand up for the industry in a more general way against legislation like C36.
The authorities no longer go after women, instead viewing them uniformly as "victims" who are being exploited rather than voluntary participants in a business endeavor that has been charged as illegal. Ironically as a result, it lessens the need for advocacy groups for sex workers and increases the need for advocacy groups for us- the clients of the businesses, who could end up being charged. While we all agree traffickers should be charged, it's not clear where the lines are being drawn. And it's also a lot harder to advocate for people who almost uniformly don't want their names, faces or addresses being known. I have given a lot of thought lately about what can be done to stop some of this nonsense in terms of advocacy groups being formed or incentivized. Let me know what you guys think.
EB, sex workers organisations do try to stand up but their message does not make it in media. Also, if neutral, the media should contact them but they don't. It's ridiculous because they know better than anybody. Stella has issued a statement on Facebook.
Although I do my homework on the basic rules of the game in Montreal, I don't really know much about C-36 and the public debates around sex work in Canada. One thing that gets a bit confused in this thread is the word "feminist," as if all feminists were trying to eliminate sex work in all forms--or worse. Obviously many women's groups have opposed the legalization of prostitution for centuries (think of the temperance societies in the old west), but in fact most of the advocacy being done today in favor of decriminalization and legalization is being done by groups that would strongly identify sex work as a feminist cause. A good case in point is the recent New York Times article on whether prostitution should be legal; as the subtitle said: "A growing movement of sex workers and activists is making the decriminalization of sex work a feminist issue." So, to the degree that we believe that sex work should be decriminalized, we are in the feminist avant-garde!
EB's point, though, is a good one. Most people who have an investment and care--the clients, obviously, but also many of the sex workers as well--can't get involved and need to remain anonymous. I favor the legalization of marijuana and at this point in history I'm not taking much of a professional risk in saying so; but I certainly would be cautious about going on record as favoring the decriminalization or legalization of escorting, even if I were to do so in terms of human rights or libertarian principles. Perhaps there is a way to put our money where our mouth is (a phrase that has many meanings in this context) and support advocacy groups with donations. I don't know.
I wonder, overall, if the recent trends in the US toward a more liberal attitude toward sexuality and sexual identity (the LGBQ movements, gay marriage, etc) combined with some of the other loosening of moral pieties around personal behavior--at least in the blue states--might have an effect on the "hobby."
EB's point, though, is a good one. Most people who have an investment and care--the clients, obviously, but also many of the sex workers as well--can't get involved and need to remain anonymous. I favor the legalization of marijuana and at this point in history I'm not taking much of a professional risk in saying so; but I certainly would be cautious about going on record as favoring the decriminalization or legalization of escorting, even if I were to do so in terms of human rights or libertarian principles. Perhaps there is a way to put our money where our mouth is (a phrase that has many meanings in this context) and support advocacy groups with donations. I don't know.
I wonder, overall, if the recent trends in the US toward a more liberal attitude toward sexuality and sexual identity (the LGBQ movements, gay marriage, etc) combined with some of the other loosening of moral pieties around personal behavior--at least in the blue states--might have an effect on the "hobby."
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