It is not to be taken for granted that just because there is no exploitation of minors that LE will not go after the clients. This is a case of selective enforcement. Agency in itself is illegal even before Bill C-36. The clients have committed a crime. It is kind of the same principal with driving and going 20kph above the limit, most police do not bother but if they want to give you a ticket they can and it would apply. Right now governments in Canada are not actively busting on agencies but that could change at anytime. Police do have the resources to go after the clients, where there is a lack of resources is at the prosecutions office. Still this would not stop police, governments in Canada seem to want it hidden and out of public spot light, so long as there are not crimes being committed like human trafficking and the exploitation of minors they will let it be. But that could change at anytime.
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Can’t bust you for something they did not see on your premises sorry it’s consensual adults
I am no lawyer but we can look to the US who were successful to bust almost all agencies. Maybe some American members here can confirm this?
Here’s where I think one of the greater risks for clients lies: the fact that clients are effectively depending on agency owners/recruiters to operate responsibly and stay on the right side of the line — including not recruiting minors, misreporting ages, coercing vulnerable individuals, dealing drugs, etc.
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Let’s be honest, American laws are generally stricter than Canadian ones, particularly when it comes to issues like prostitution. In provinces like Quebec, authorities often turn a blind eye unless criminal elements such as underage involvement or pimping are present. As long as agencies pay their taxes and operate within certain lines, enforcement is minimal. Corruption and selective enforcement seem to be part of the system. Realistically, Quebec has become the capital of prostitution in Canada. Just as the government has commercialized and regulated gambling and cannabis for revenue, mark my words it's only a matter of time before prostitution is fully legislated for financial gain. Quebec already has an overwhelming number of gambling establishments more than any other province I’ve seen. It’s baffling how the government supports gambling, given its devastating social impact: economic hardship, addiction, depression, and even suicide. But at the end of the day, it’s all about money in this province. I understand many won’t agree with me, and that’s fine freedom of speech is one of the few things that still makes Canada truly great.
Very real and important question. The answer is YES. Agencies will tell you they keep their books secret or secure, etc. But it's not true. All it takes is a warrant and the cops can easily access at will all your text messages/phone calls from beginning to end, so yes, if your phone is in there, you're done.
That is why I do not even deal with agencies who are asking for real numbers. Plenty other to go with and not be yourself in danger.
Another point is agencies gettting hacked or leaking their clients lists. We saw plenty of time of these privacy breach happens.
Think Ashley Madison cheating website where a hacker leaked all the client infos. Even banks, paypal, etc. big companies have had hacker steal their customer informations and we're talking about them having specialized secured ITs working for them to protect it. Meanwhile, I doubt agencies do, if anything, if someone (cop or hacker) has access to the agencies phone sim card or their booking system (which they probably use from a third party), then they can very easily have access to your phone number and expose your address, contact your workplace, etc.)
Very well said. And yes, if the tides turn and they start going after escorts or if anything happens that would require an investigation (of the agency itself, an escort, etc.) then if you are on the agencies record with your phone number, you are a considered a suspect and you are also part of the investigation.
That's why I don't bother booking with agencies asking for my real phone number. I don't encourage either people to do that. Too much risks.
Is it really that risky? I mean since the new law took effect in 2014 was there any issue with any well established agency here in Quebec?
Also I text with my own number but only to ask availabilities, that’s not a crime. Did the same for 2 decades when I was in France the legislation is similar there and had zero problems.
I don’t see any sense for the authorities to put the resources in order to go after well behaved clients while there surely have bigger fishes to fry out there
Ils sont trop occupés avec les pedophiles et autres dérangés qui essaient d’exploiter les plus vulnérables.
Les outils technologiques leurs enlèvent ce qui leurs restent de scrupules alors ils se multiplient.
Politicians have been trying to shut down massage parlours and strip clubs for years, but the truth is Montreal's sex industry is woven so tightly with the main tourist establishment it will never cease to exist.Global drag queen RuPaul once said in an interview with HOUR magazine in 2005 "Montreal to Americans is sex city.It's such a sensual place." Even Family Guy has an episode where they visit Montreal's famed "touchy feely" strip clubs.If that's not an endorsement, I don't know what is.There is even a scene making a reference to "shots on goal".....makes you wonder if Seth Macfarland has visited one of our finer establishments. My point being......I think the only time the LE will raid and shut down a place is when there are minors being exploited.Some places have been operating for years with no interference from LE. Just my two cents.....
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So the cops get your phone number. It's not proof of anything. For all anyone knows, the numbers being there could be the result of inaccurate dialing- calling a wrong number.
Quite true. Or someone else could have used your phone to place a call. I’d use the plausible denial defence. Deny everything. I’d tell them if you have proof that i knowingly did something illegal then prove it. It’s not for me to prove that i didn’t do anything illegal. It’s for you that i did & that’s not as easy to prove as people may believe.
It is hard to be safe if you (or I) have texted different agencies or escorts throughout the years. Or worse call them lol
In the US Charlie sheen got exposed as a client of an agency. I think they could he they wanted but they won’t as @Obvio-0bvio mentioned
Exactly I saw that in the documentary but he also made the mistake of admitting everything under false threats from the cops , if he just kept his mouth shut they would have had a hard time charging him with anything substantial, especially when there were no texts at that time.
Yes it would be a lot of work but doable especially considering how they are waisting money on dumb stuff. Lol
I remember at least in 2014-2017 girls would write roses (mentionning the price on their ads) and also mention I’m not paid for sex but for my time etc. Now with the huge exposure to social media it’s really not discreet…
Such hypocrisy, I don’t understand why there are still so called civilized countries like Canada or France not making a clear legislation for consenting adults having sex for money, criminalizing only exploitation.
In countries like Belgium, Netherlands, Spain and even Brazil everything is clear and legal on these matters and it works very well for everyone.
Already been in there & the best part of my vacation was that it got me in fantastic physical condition! Lol
Don’t a lot of married women take money from their husbands and that’s not illegal! Lol
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