Mod8 and Fred

[Tilt]

Mod8, you made this comment somewhere on the board and it really caught me off guard. Maybe you could help me with it.

It is not my board, it is Fred's board. We simply moderate it. As has been said many times, moderators have nothing to do with advertising other than ensuring that advertisers follow the rules that are in place on MERB. Advertising is Fred's domain.

No board is perfect, no community is perfect. All we can do is try to make it the best it can be.

M8

Mod8, this didn't make sense to me. I don't understand how you could throw Fred under the bus like this and in doing so, try to protect yourself from any moral and legal responsibility? The fact is that Fred appointed you to moderate his board. You've been delegated certain powers that allow you to correct things that may be immoral or illegal on this board. A primary example of this is when you rightfully banned MarathonMan for aggressively trying to seek BBFS. You successfully exercised those designated powers in order to correct the situation. In the past you've also successfully exercised these designated powers when you banned members who revealed private information about anyone, even if it was for something as simple as publicising the content of a private message. Fred has chosen you to moderate this board and has given you all the powers necessary for you to ensure that nothing illegal or immoral takes place on this board. What I am trying to say is that you are more responsible for what takes place on this board than Fred is. So please don't try to vindicate yourself by throwing the burden of guilt and responsibility entirely on to Fred. It's unfair to Fred and it's just not right if you think about it; more importantly, it wouldn’t hold any weight in the court of law.

 

[Mod 8]

Can you tell me what is happening on MERB that you would qualify as illegal? I can not find anything.

Moderators do not handle advertising. That is a fact. We do not make the rules that are specific to advertisers, that is a fact. Moderators are not paid and receive no money or other compensation from advertisers. That is a fact. MERB is registered to Fred's company and all revenue goes directly to Fred. This is also a fact. Fred did not choose me as a moderator, nor has he chosen any moderator since I have held this position. Moderators are chosen by unanimous decision of the existing moderators and all Fred does is create a new moderator account when we request one. This is a fact.

Our responsibility is to the MERB community and we do our best to ensure that it runs smoothly. Any illegal activities, such as discussions about procuring underage SPs, discussions about obtaining illegal drugs, discussions about filming escorts without their knowledge or permission, and other similar subjects, are prohibited from being posted on the board.

I fail to see where you have any problem with what I posted previously. I do not see where I am 'throwing Fred under the bus' or where moral or legal responsibility factors into anything I have posted in this post or any other.

 

[gugu]

tilt, looking at your posting history I see nothing else than... a shit disturber.

 

[man77777]

A lot of shit disturber this time...

 

[Tilt]

tilt, looking at your posting history I see nothing else than... a shit disturber.

I simply asked Mod8 a question, he was fair enough to address it. And to put things into perspective, aren't you the kid who helped orchestrate the infamous boycott that not only failed to serve its purpose but also helped ruined many valuable relationships in the industry. And I'm the shit disturber?:wave:

 

[Mod 12]

Tilt,

You are way off and your statement is baseless.

Mod 8 was not throwing Fred under any bus, nor is their any legal ramifications regarding any of his or any other Mods actions.

As Mod 8 stated, Fred is in charge of who is allowed to advertise on this board and the moderators are not involved in that process at all. We are here to help keep the board running smoothly and to enforce MERB rules. Also as Mod 8 has said, Fred had nothing to do with choosing the moderators.

For you to say, that the moderators are not treating Fred fairly by stating that fact or talking about how this statement would not hold up in a court of law has no bearing on anything to do with reality. Mod 8 has graciously decided to respond to your statements and not delete the thread, so I will leave it open for now as well. For me, this is just an attempt to stir up trouble under the guise of concern.

I have wasted my time this morning having to delete posts and ban people who have nothing better to do than to come here in the middle of the night and cause trouble, dirtying up the board. Tilt, I did not ban you because I will give you credit for at least posting respectfully and you have not broken any rules by giving your point of view (genuine or not). On MERB we will not let threads and the board as a whole deteriorate into a circus show, like some other boards do. This is an adult review board, let's keep it that way.

 

[gugu]

aren't you the kid who helped orchestrate the infamous boycott that not only failed to serve its purpose but also helped ruined many valuable relationships in the industry. And I'm the shit disturber?:wave:

Yep! And I am pretty proud of it, especially for a kid 22. And to make a point very clear, I don't see the relations between Tom and the community as anything valuable. To answer your last question: yes.

 

[Lovemaker]

Mod12, turning a blind eye to any crime is a crime in and of itself. It doesn't matter what your delegated responsiblities are on this site, all that is irrelevant. In the court of law, the man working at customs is just as guilty as the cocaine traffickers he lets through. You are just as responsible as Fred is for everything that takes place on this site. I think this is what Tilt was trying to say. So it would be inappropriate for any moderator to suggest that Fred is more responsible than they are for the content on this site.

 

[Mod 8]

First of all, no one has suggested that Fred is responsible for the content posted here on MERB. What I have stated, if you are unable to read it for yourself, is that Fred is responsible for the policies on MERB which are specific to advertisers and which do not apply to regular members.

As for your example of a customs official, that would only apply if he was aware the drugs were being transported.

When you come across a crime that happens here on MERB that we have turned a blind eye to, please feel free to let us know about it.

M8

 

[Lovemaker]

So let's be direct here and cut to the chase. If any of the following take place who would be responsible:

1. Pics of underage girls
2. Reviews on underage girls
3. Private pictures posted by agencies

Who would be responsible if any of the above were to happen, would it be Mod8 or would it be Fred?

Morally and legally?

 

[Mod 8]

First of all, members cannot post pictures here, other than certain sections on certain topics which prevents the majority of problems that could occur when it comes to posting images. Any images posted that do not conform to the section of the board where they are posted will be instantly removed.

Second of all, Fred does not moderate MERB. The mods do. If anything is posted here that does not conform to MERB rules, it will be removed and a suspension or permanent ban instituted if required.

As far as agency pics go, they are permitted to post any picture showing a face in their advertising here that is available on their publicly accessible website. In other words, no pics that are only available to members of their own board. We must assume that they have the proper permission for any picture they post on their own site. We also must assume that they are of legal age as that is the agency's responsibility to verify. If someone can provide me with proof that a particular SP is working underage, it would be my pleasure to contact LE regarding the matter personally.

We do not permit any discussion at all regarding underage providers. The only exception would be if it is part of a new report regarding actions taken by LE.

Legally, the person responsible for any post made on MERB would be the person who makes the post.

Morally? Everyone is responsible to follow their own ideas of morality. We are here to moderate an Internet message board, not to make moral judgements.

Mod 8

 

[Lovemaker]

We must assume that they have the proper permission for any picture they post on their own site. We also must assume that they are of legal age as that is the agency's responsibility to verify. If someone can provide me with proof that a particular SP is working underage, it would be my pleasure to contact LE regarding the matter personally.

Mod8, this is some very serious stuff and it should leave no room for you to assume anything. If a porn site has even one video or pic of an underage girl, the entire site is targeted by Law enforcement. Stop assuming things and start processing them with diligence. You need a system where you can confirm the girl's age and confirm whether or not she consented to publicising her pics, otherwise trust me when I tell you that the courts couldn't care less about what you assumed her age was. Merb advertises on behalf of these agencies, it will be liable if it fucks up, and no court will ever want to hear about what your assumptions were.

You mean to tell me that the marketing agencies who advertise on behalf of the modelling agencies, are not held accountable if the girl is underage?Come'on bro.

 

[Mod 8]

Lovemaker,

We are not the regulating body of the escort industry. We have no way to verify the ages of each and every one of the hundreds of providers working in the city of Montreal. Do you think the various newspapers in Montreal and Annonces123 and other advertising sites have the means to verify the ages of every provider that advertises through their media? You are being extremely naive. MERB is a review board and an advertising medium for this business, nothing more. If you wish to have someone police this business, I suggest you write to your MP and support the legalization and regulation of prostitution.

As for the porn industry, I have never heard of any major US operation ever being charged with having underage performers or models. The only instance that comes to mind was many years ago involving Tracy Lords which was very highly publicized and not one person served one day behind bars.

It is time to be a little realistic about this matter instead of being a fear monger. If you wish to continue this line of discussion, I suggest you start providing some facts for the argument you are trying to put forward. How agencies choose to advertise their ladies is their choice and their responsibility. It is also the responsibility of the ladies being advertised to know what images are being used for that purpose. It is not our responsibility to monitor anything other than the posts that are made on MERB by it's members.

Mod 8

 

[Lovemaker]

Cool. So you made your point and I made my point. End for story. Do you still love me? Are you superrrrrrrrr thrilled to have me back?

 

[Mod 12]

Merb is not a board for child like insults and pointless bickering and that`s what this thread is turning into. A statement was made by Tilt, it was aptly countered by Mod 8 and myself. End of story.

And Mr. Lovemaker, you just came back from a long suspension for this very same thing. I remind you of MERB`s policies on respecting other members and avoiding personal insults.

https://merb.cc/vbulletin/announcement.php?f=8


2) Forbidden Activities:

iii) Personal attacks on others, flames, fights, name-calling, etc...

iv) Lack of respect to either client, escort or other board members.



Post concerning the topic at hand and have a reasonable level of respect in doing so and things will be fine. If not, well you won`t last very long around here. And that goes for anyone, not just Lovemaker.

Thread cleaned and closed.

 

[Mod 11]

That thread got me worried... I was under the impression we were going to have proofs Mod 8 was in fact Fred Zed, who is in fact a well-known sport analyst, said analyst who is really only a personae used to hide the guy's real identity...

Ok then, I'll stay with my knowledge of Mod 8 being in fact... >>>CLICK! Connection Lost.<<<