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Doc Holliday

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Didn't he get banned for a period? If so, he probably won't be back after being banned.

He just got a 2-day suspension nearly 3 weeks ago. I figured he'd get over it by now. We've forgiven him, so he should get over it. Let bygones be bygones.

I just hope he's okay & didn't go jump off the Champlain bridge when his team was losing. I know he takes this thing to heart & cares a bit too much for that sad-sack team, but still.....i don't wish anything bad.

Oh yeah, before i forget: the Leafs beat the Stanley Cup champs last night by a score of 4-3. Great game! I watched the game on RIS, which is a Quebec-based sports network (sister to RDS). Can you believe it? A french sports network based in Quebec were showing the Leafs game! :D
 
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EVER????????????? i miss his sarcasm, really i do..... thats all he offers so i cant miss anything else....... anyone who takes this stuff serious is just a silly mirror looking idiot, ;) its just good clean banter back and forth and it is what FANS DO!!!!!!!!!!.......

i for one and i swear on the habs playoff chances. hope GSG comes back...... "but" seeing they lost tonight to the Sens, i doubt it will be soon, :mad: ......



Didn't he get banned for a period? If so, he probably won't be back after being banned.
 

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Gainey's problem

So, what's Gainey going to do? He's got to do something: Metropolit, M-A Bergeron and Plekanec are all UFAs at the end of the year and then there are the two goaltenders. Right now there's no way he can deal Gomez or Gionta (who wants those contracts) so where's he going to find the money to sign everyone next year? It's going to have to start by dealing a goalie, maybe with some other prospects. Will he go for a draft pick or try to pick up a young player who won't impact his cap room much? People talk about another winger but it seems to me what they need is a good young two-way defenceman. Hall Gill and Georges Laraque he is also probably stuck with because of their way over-evaluated contracts, the biggest issue I see for the Habs right now is the difficulty they are going to have building any kind of team (or keeping the actual team together for that matter!) and staying inside the salary cap.

To have trade value, Gionta and Gomez would have to play so well from here to the trade deadline that, at that point, you won't want to trade them. Even talk about a player cap at 6M$ wouldn't change things much 'cause that's still more money than he can realistically come up with for Plekanec. But if Plekanec keeps playing like he is, he's sure to be worth 5M$ on the free agent market, no? Where is Gainey going to find the money or, if there's no way, what is his best move?

Cammalleri, A Kostitsyn and Plekanec are hot right now so I assume he's going to try and keep them together, question is : can he? How?
 
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as just a hockey fan Dr. Edgar , and not as a leafs fan...... your concerns are all to real, Pleks will command $4mill a yr if he continues to play this way, Price or Halak the same... as far as MA berg? well,,,,,its hard to say, i mean the guy was sitting home waiting for a call just a few weeks ago so who knows..... but he is a decent offensive d man or even could be used on the wing.....


Gainey will NEVER do it, but he should trade PRICE for maybe a top six forward or that and some or one draft choices....... Halak has a better mindset to handle the pressure of playing in Montreal, Price is still shaky in that department... truth be told., i think Price is a amazing talent>>BUT><>.... the pressure will haunt him and ruin him...... in a city like minnesota or tampa, or the likes, he'd flourish......

Gainey needs to step down, he has put your team in such a bind that you wont be competitive for a Stanley Cup run for at least 2-4 years unless someone takes those crazy contracts of Gomez , Gill, Spacek(is he really worth near 4 mill?) and maybe even Gionta ( even tho he is the heart and soul of les habs when he isnt hurt) and a few others



So, what's Gainey going to do? He's got to do something, Metropolit, M-A Bergeron and Plekanec are all UFAs at the end of the year and then there are the two goaltenders. Right now there's no way he can deal Gomez or Gionta (who wants those contracts) so where's he going to find the money to sign everyone next year? It's going to have to start by dealing a goalie, maybe with some other prospects. Will he go for a draft pick or try to pick up a young player who won't impact his cap room much? People talk about another winger but it seems to me what they need is a good young two-way defenceman. Hall Gill and Georges Laraque he is also probably stuck with because of their way over-evaluated contracts, the biggest issue I see for the Habs right now is the difficulty they are going to have building any kind of team and staying inside the salary cap.
 

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Gainey will NEVER do it, but he should trade PRICE for maybe a top six forward or that and some or one draft choices.......

I think he has no choice 'cause he can probably get Halak to agree to a lower salary and may be able to get more for Price. Again, I don't think they can possibly pick up an established player only a prospect with a low salary or a draft pick 'cause the last thing they need is a player who will make the cap space situation worse. A Tyler Myers would be perfect but it ain't happening. Need someone that good (and cheap) but on a team with a desperate goaltending problem.

Spacek is probably also overpaid but not as egregiously as Gill and Laraque IMHO, I bet there's a better chance of convincing someone to pick up that contract than the others. Gionta and Gomez: time will tell, I don't think you can say Gionta is overpaid at this point. If Gomez can average over a point a game until the end of the season it won't look as bad.

Bergeron and Metropolit are a big part of the current roster IMHO and the point is that they will surely have to pay them more than their current salaries if they continue to have the kind of season they have been having so far. Add the goalies and Plekanec into the picture and there's a real problem.
 
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Blue Jackets?

Columbus looks like they could use better goaltending. I wonder if the blue jackets would be interested... with young winger prospects like Filatov and Voracek that could be interesting.
 
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I agree with the most part of your assessment.

In regards to goaltending: both Price & Halak will be looking at getting similar deals during the off-season, likely in the $4 million+ range unless there are no offers for their services, which i really doubt would happen. If Toskala could get such a deal when he joined Toronto, there is a market for young top-notch goalies with unfulfilled potential like Halak & Price. This means that looking at the way their current cap is set up, the Habs would have room for only one of those two. And even if they would have room, Halak would never want to remain in Mtl just to play back-up again, likely accepting an offer to play for another team or join the KHL. Same with Price, he'll want a guarantee that he's the starting goaltender & don't be surprised of teams like Detroit & Toronto don't make a pitch for his services, whether by trade or a straight-up offer, no matter what the cost in compensation.

Considering the future free agents the team will have once the season ends, and if the cap space doesn't increase, the Habs will have about $11 million to sign 9 players. Among those 9 players will be Plekanec, Price & Halak. They will very likely re-sign either Price or Halak, so i can't see Plekanec re-signing with them since they'll have no money left to sign the other 7 roster spots. As you are aware of, Metropolit, Mara & Bergeron will be free agents & the Habs likely would like to retain at least 2 of those 3 players, but at a bargain price. This would leave them room to sign a couple of 2nd or 3rd rate free agents, but there's no guarantee that the cap won't decrease instead of increasing, but i don't see this happening.

As you're aware of, what's gutting the cap space are the large contracts given out to Cammalleri, Gionta & Gomez. These contracts are long-term & won't disappear from the books anytime soon. Even though overpaid, at least Cammalleri & Gionta have earned their keeps. Sure, Cammalleri has a lot of trouble scoring at home & Gionta has been injured for quite some time, but at least they make something happen when they're on the ice. Gomez has been an enigma, but rumours that he can't play in a pressure-cooker like in NYC & Mtl might turn out to be true. As of today, he's only had one 20-plus goals season, a few years ago when he was with New Jersey. His goal totals in each of the other seasons were all under 20 goals per season. He's a good passer, but of course, he's not getting paid $8 million per season to just pass the puck. He's paid to lead & score goals, and he's doing neither. He's also a 'white elephant' on the cap space, since he's unmoveable due to is poor production & top 5 overral NHL contract. No one would dare touch him in the league, and even if there was a sucker out there, that team likely wouldn't have the cap space.

There's also the case of Andrei Markov becoming a free agent after the 2010-11 season. Gainey better find a way to sign him to an extension, or else he'll have to fork out more money for his services come 2011. A player like Markov would likely expect to receive Jay Bouwemeester-like numbers due to his value with his current team. Would he accept a discount to play in Mtl? Likely not, since there's always the chance he'd like to play in his home country for the KHL. So the Habs will be stuck with an interesting problem in regards to what to do with Markov, who's also a fan favorite. But the team has shown in the past that fan favorites don't matter by simply looking at the way they've dealt with Kovalev & Koivu.

Now, what to do with the current goaltending situation? If he's not getting the bulk of games, Halak & his agent have expressed a wish to get traded elsewhere where his services would be more appreciated. But who says Carey Price doesn't want the same thing? There currently isn't much of a market for goaltending & teams paying the price to obtain any of those two would likely want them to sign a contract as soon as the deal is made. I see the Habs moving a goalie & Plekanec prior to the trade deadline, as early as February.
 

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The best thing that could happen to the Habs and Leafs is that the owners and players adopt a salary cap comparable to the baseball cap in their next cba. If teams go over the cap they would have to pay a luxury tax. I can allready see the Habs and Leafs back at the top of the league it this were to happen.
 

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The best thing that could happen to the Habs and Leafs is that the owners and players adopt a salary cap comparable to the baseball cap in their next cba. If teams go over the cap they would have to pay a luxury tax. I can allready see the Habs and Leafs back at the top of the league it this were to happen.

True, but i don't see it happening anytime soon since the NHLPA is in chaos & won't yield much power at the next collective bargaining meetings.
 

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Idiot #2,

Is it possible to have your nose shoved any further up Idiot #1's ass? I wonder?

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nice to see i "dont" get under your skin,.....:p.... for a second there i swear thats a pic of you and your buddy... ms Cairo seems to be looking for another excuse as to why he is not really a habs fan, but , ummm , i think he's looking in the wrong place :D
Idiot #2,

Is it possible to have your nose shoved any further up Idiot #1's ass? I wonder?

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well, i dont think this will ever happen, once a salary cap is in place i doubt it would ever be "lifted" but anythings possible, just dont see it happening
The best thing that could happen to the Habs and Leafs is that the owners and players adopt a salary cap comparable to the baseball cap in their next cba. If teams go over the cap they would have to pay a luxury tax. I can allready see the Habs and Leafs back at the top of the league it this were to happen.
 

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Now, what to do with the current goaltending situation? If he's not getting the bulk of games, Halak & his agent have expressed a wish to get traded elsewhere where his services would be more appreciated. But who says Carey Price doesn't want the same thing? There currently isn't much of a market for goaltending & teams paying the price to obtain any of those two would likely want them to sign a contract as soon as the deal is made. I see the Habs moving a goalie & Plekanec prior to the trade deadline, as early as February.

For sure for a Goalie is going on the auction block, no choice but I hope they find some way to hang on to Plekanec and Metropolit too. Maybe it's impossible but I'm hoping there's some way it can be done. One hell of a puzzle with lots of pieces you can't move (like Gomez and Gionta!)
 

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Gionta could "possibly" be moved at the deadline but then again, why? unless the habs are so far out of it which they wont be most likely, but whos gonna score besides Plekanec and Cammalleri up front? gainey sure has a nice mess on his hands

For sure for a Goalie is going on the auction block, no choice but I hope they find some way to hang on to Plekanec and Metropolit too. Maybe it's impossible but I'm hoping there's some way it can be done. One hell of a puzzle with lots of pieces you can't move (like Gomez and Gionta!)
 

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For sure for a Goalie is going on the auction block, no choice but I hope they find some way to hang on to Plekanec and Metropolit too. Maybe it's impossible but I'm hoping there's some way it can be done. One hell of a puzzle with lots of pieces you can't move (like Gomez and Gionta!)

Plekanec will likely be moved since the Habs want to get something in return this time around & not lose a player they groomed to free agency & not get anything in return. If he's re-signed, it will be done soon & not later. And if it's not done soon, it'll mean he'll be on the market. So they'll likely trade him to get something of value for him.

I'm fairly certain they can get Metropolit to re-sign for the minimum or for about $1.5 million max. if they want to retain him. That's probably all they'll be able to give to players they need to fill up their roster for next season, considering they'll likely give a nice increase to at least one of their goaltenders & save some money for Markov after the 2010-11 season. They might offer Plekanec a 1-yr deal, but he'll likely reject it for a multi-year contract & he'd be crazy to stay in Mtl since his market value will never be higher than it will be after this season. The Habs might also want to hang on to Mara & Bergeron if they can sign them cheap, which might happen.

Another 'white elephant' on the team cap is George Laracque's contract. He barely plays when he's dressed, and he's usually not even dressed for games. As for Gionta, Cammalleri & Gomez, they'll be Habs for at least the next 2 seasons or so. Their big contracts have pretty much rendered them untradeable. Gionta & Cammalleri are also their two most productive forwards, and Gionta supposedly signed with Mtl because they had obtained Gomez. Personally, i think it's bull since no one else in the league offered Gionta the kind of money he got in Mtl. He would have been crazy to refuse it.
 

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Idiot #2,

Is it possible to have your nose shoved any further up Idiot #1's ass? I wonder?

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looks like iggy and his pal could both do with a few hours in the gym - I guess watching all those leafs games doesn't burn up many calories.
 

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Plekanec will likely be moved since the Habs want to get something in return this time around & not lose a player they groomed to free agency & not get anything in return. If he's re-signed, it will be done soon & not later. And if it's not done soon, it'll mean he'll be on the market. So they'll likely trade him to get something of value for him..

I think you must be right, Habs management must be desperately trying to sign or trade Plekanec and the two goalies. One of the goalies will be gone for sure and, well, Plekanec, we'll see... he's already getting 2.75M$, right? That means they only have to come up with 1.25M$/2.25M$ extra to sign him at 4M$/5M$, that may be doable. Probably means they'd have to drop Mara and/or Bergeron though. The only "Good" thing about the f*cking contract for that useless f*ck Laraque is that it's over in 2011/2012 so they'll have that money available to try and hang on to Markov and Hamrlik.
 

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I agree that signing Plekanec to an extension is makeable. But that's IF he & his agent believe he's not worth more than the money Mtl would be willing to give him. Remember, there could always be a Glenn Sather out there who might be willing to grossly overpay him for services, just like it happened to Scott Gomez when Sather made him rich with an $8 per year multiyear contract. I see Mara shopping his services elsewhere, but Bergeron might stay for the league minimum. Remember, no one else in hockey offered him a contract until Mtl showed up with an offer once Markov went down. I agree that Laraque's acquistion was a big mistake, but i doubt they'll want to re-sign an aging Roman Hamrlik who's currently overpaid at $5.5 million per year. Once his big contract is off the books, they might have room to re-sign Markov. But that's if they don't go crazy & overpay for Plekanec, one of their goalies, or someone else.
 
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