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Bastard far right people do not know what irony or sarcasm is ;)

Many republicain voted against their true feeling as most think what Trump did was completely wrong and would have vote guilty if not for the fact that they want to keep their jobs as Republican.

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True when you accuse someone of a crime don't specify a crime victim or have no proof
and its clearly politically motivated and driven by hate and ignorance
the outcome is easy to determine
in USA its innocent until proven guilty
God Bless America

It amazing me that anyone who listened to both sides can conclude there was no offense with massive proof both in testimony and documents that were obtained even with Trump refusing to provide. He conspired with a foreign country to ANNOUNCE not investigate Biden for whom there is no shred of evidence of any wrong doing to withhold congressional directed military aid (which itself is an illegal act. Anyone who dares speak the truth is attacked and fired. All the good folks around Trump have left since Trump has no concept of truth or morality as in his entire life of scams, bankrupcies and mafia like activities with his family.
 

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It amazing me that anyone who listened to both sides can conclude there was no offense with massive proof both in testimony and documents that were obtained even with Trump refusing to provide. He conspired with a foreign country to ANNOUNCE not investigate Biden for whom there is no shred of evidence of any wrong doing to withhold congressional directed military aid (which itself is an illegal act. Anyone who dares speak the truth is attacked and fired. All the good folks around Trump have left since Trump has no concept of truth or morality as in his entire life of scams, bankrupcies and mafia like activities with his family.
God wants us to let go of fear and to live life to the fullest!

exactly
there was no proof
they railroaded a vote to rush to congress to try impeach as fast as posable as to not allow trump his right to a fair vote by teh american people who are not stupid.
it is easy to acuse somone of something

Dave in Phoenix yuor guilty prove to us here you are not and supply us with witnesses as i have not done any research this is exactly what the senate did
they ''claimed a whistle blower'' and sited he is immune to testimony to protect his identity
they take rape victims and 6 yr old kids and put them on the stand. why would a imaginary witness (made up by patholigical liar adam schiff whos heresay testimony get a free pass
when he tried to have the highest position in the land convicted of a crime and yet didnt site a crime or victum jsut rambled on with political; mumbo jumbo on hear say which was actually a bad interpretation
and if your honest obama was wore for use of political power

now this never should have gone to congress and wasted tax payers money..when trump released the transcript of the conversation all 3 charges turned out to be false
as was the 2 yr witch hunt on russia
but hey you got him in court try and find something else he is guilty of he has to be guilty he must be guilty just ask nancy bipolar pelosi seriously dude if she is not bipolar she clearly is suffering from dementia 79 yrs old talks to herself
a 6 yr old would have acted with more class and respect than she did.her actions were inexcusable childish and a disgrace and if you differ in this 1 subject you have a problem
and her actions tearing up a official government document could and i hope it lands her in jail for 4 yrs or a mental institute with a nice little white jacket with arms that tie in the back and high dosages of thorazine
 

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Bastard far right people do not know what irony or sarcasm is ;)

Many republicain voted against their true feeling as most think what Trump did was completely wrong and would have vote guilty if not for the fact that they want to keep their jobs as Republican.

Cheers,
I got banned 3 days for making a joke
which was a famous group
southside cemetery choir qwho use this quote on their album cover

https://memorialsofdistinction.band...-you-ass-up-well-have-a-place-to-park-my-bike

and robin willians has a video clip of it
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/d00efc9b-7bbb-43f5-a5db-aa4ea9e6cd72
 

jalimon

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CB i was responding to Bastardchief but cut his handle like we do often. ;)
 

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Senator Marco Rubio of Florida said in a Medium post on Friday that Trump’s action were impeachable—but that he shouldn’t be removed from his office.
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Still waiting for your source for that statement. Unless, of course, you are too busy making up other interesting quotations.
 

Dave in Phoenix

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God wants us to let go of fear and to live life to the fullest!

exactly
there was no proof
they railroaded a vote to rush to congress to try impeach as fast as posable as to not allow trump his right to a fair vote by teh american people who are not stupid.
it is easy to acuse somone of something

Dave in Phoenix yuor guilty prove to us here you are not and supply us with witnesses as i have not done any research this is exactly what the senate did
they ''claimed a whistle blower'' and sited he is immune to testimony to protect his identity
they take rape victims and 6 yr old kids and put them on the stand. why would a imaginary witness (made up by patholigical liar adam schiff whos heresay testimony get a free pass
when he tried to have the highest position in the land convicted of a crime and yet didnt site a crime or victum jsut rambled on with political; mumbo jumbo on hear say which was actually a bad interpretation
and if your honest obama was wore for use of political power

now this never should have gone to congress and wasted tax payers money..when trump released the transcript of the conversation all 3 charges turned out to be false
as was the 2 yr witch hunt on russia
but hey you got him in court try and find something else he is guilty of he has to be guilty he must be guilty just ask nancy bipolar pelosi seriously dude if she is not bipolar she clearly is suffering from dementia 79 yrs old talks to herself
a 6 yr old would have acted with more class and respect than she did.her actions were inexcusable childish and a disgrace and if you differ in this 1 subject you have a problem
and her actions tearing up a official government document could and i hope it lands her in jail for 4 yrs or a mental institute with a nice little white jacket with arms that tie in the back and high dosages of thorazine

This argument is pointless you have no concept of the facts. I watched the entire hearings both in the House and Senate. The facts were clear even with the obstruction of Trump by refusing all subpoenas to have those that knew to collaborate and more the fact witnesses and what emails and docs were available.

Also if you read the Mueller report he was only not indicted due to the policy of the DOL, It is clear he asked Russia to interfere as they did etc. Russian bots are right now active posting your type of fantasy vs the truth. They also have tried to get into State election systems.

Gosh when the Russians hacked the DNC computers the day after Trump invited them to help- and Wikileaks where are you Trump tweet, they got all the data to target voters they were reaching with their fake news bots disguised as being from US but from the known building in Moscow. which is now active again.

Just one example pizzagate when the bots posted all over social media that Clinton had sex slaves in a pizza place and some guy stormed in with a gun to free them. This is the result of the fake news bots with the fantasy such as you have bought into. And of course the Trump fantasy network of fox news.
 

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Still waiting for your source for that statement. Unless, of course, you are too busy making up other interesting quotations.

Almost all the legitimate fact based news organizations have quoted Rubio if you google it:

Senator Marco Rubio of Florida said in a Medium post on Friday that Trump’s action were impeachable—but that he shouldn’t be removed from his office. His reasoning was “impeachment must be bipartisan and must enjoy broad public support.” This is, of course, a Catch-22: For Republicans to support impeachment it has to be bipartisan; for impeachment to be bipartisan Republicans have to support it. But no matter. “Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office,” Rubio concludes.
 

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Dave of Phoenix look at the rear view mirror. You will see the word “IMPEACHMENT” becoming smaller and smaller. Soon it will disappear. Look ahead and you can see democrats in a big trouble lucking the candidate to beat Trump. So, you are facing probably another 4 years to lament about Trump and then maybe another 8 years about his daughter Ivanka. It is not healthy. I decided for myself long time ago that man’s well being should not depend on political system around him. Ignore it, play it to your advantage or move to some better place. Move to Montreal and you will find a perfect distraction from your political worries :bounce:
 

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That posting on Rubio's page was made (Jan 31st) before his reported statement which is widely reported. Rubios comments I posted on various news sources were made after the 2/5/2020 Senate vote not before. Also I have seen with my own eyes/ears at least six Republicans interviewed on various networks saying the same thing. It was wrong, probably worthy of impeachment but not to be removed. Technically he was impreached with strong witness and evidence but not removed.

In this thread maybe 100 posts back, there was some of the quotes by other Republicans also agreeing was improper. As pointed out by legal analysts the their are many potentially criminal issues also involved. Most legal experts agree you do not need a crime to be proven to be worthy of impeachments. At the time of the Constitution, there were no Federal crime laws. And the founder's number one concern (Federalist papers) was foreign influence over elections.

In the comments section (over 200) note one of the comments also refers to a prior statement by Rubio:
Mary Marshall-Dwight
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"Mr. Rubio you admit, “Nevertheless, new witnesses that would testify to the truth of the allegations are not needed for my threshold analysis, which already assumed that all the allegations made are true.” “ARE TRUE”

"This is the 2nd attempt of this president having foreign governments interfere. For the American people it would not be so bad if as you mentioned above the senate had remedies to his criminal deeds. Instead you rationalize and give cover to Trump. He has used our government for his own selfish deeds while you sit quiet because you have sold your souls to get what you want. This includes dark money that you accept. We know through evidence that all the top cabinet were involved. So while ordinary people go to jail, pay heavy fines, lives are ruin, and voting rights taken away in Florida unless they pay heavy fees they don’t hve(voter suppression)the elite committ crimes without consequences. No I don’t accept nor agree with your reasoning."

The bottom line is we all have to move on. We have a dishonest President, working against American interests, destroying global relationships with friends and doing the wishes of the likes of Putin and has and will continue to welcome foreign influence to our elections. You certainly can not argue about his thousands of easily proven outright lies and distortions, his proven scams (Trump Univ and his charity), his bankrupcies, no bank in the US will lend him money only Russian affiliated Deutsche Bank with proven ties to Russian money laundering etc etc etc.

The facts need to be shown or we will be stuck with this disgraceful President for another 4 -years because his media scam works for folks that don't follow the facts.

Other facts - his great best-ever economy scam. GDP now slowing to maybe under 2% has been worse under Trump than under the last 3 years of Obama. About 12,000 factory jobs have been lost in the last year. Manufacturing continues in decline other than for automation high tech which needs far fewer workers mostly at far less wages than the old days factory worker. The low unemployment is great but one extensive study showed the average median wage for 44% of workers was only $18.000.

The brief uptick to 3.1% in GDP growth for one-quarter was due to the $1 trillion tax cut almost all for the wealthy that was not paid for. All his foolishness about how tax cuts for the rich would lead to 4-6% growth and pay for the tax cut has been proven to be one of his fantasies.

Yet again this is a useless argument of facts vs "alternative facts" also known as lies. Hey, this is Canada and you have your own political issues not to worry about US stuck with Trump in the U.S.
 

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Senator Marco Rubio of Florida said in a Medium post on Friday that Trump’s action were impeachable—but that he shouldn’t be removed from his office.

That posting on Rubio's page was made before his reported statement which is widely reported. Rubios comments were made after the 2/5/2020 Senate vote not before.

Your attempt to weasel out of the argument is not exactly successful. Are you now saying there was another "Medium post on Friday", the one "made after 2/5/2020 Senate vote not before"? Please post the link to that other post.

The facts need to be shown

Don't remember reading wiser words than these.
 

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The Rubio quote I may be stand corrected may have been before the vote. I can not find the original source -maybe its been removed since Rubio can not risk going against Trump or Republicans backing Trump.

I don't have hours to search what the original source was but here are examples that quoted him. Here are examples of where qouted. OH but of course they are just the liberal media. Trumpists always say that when media reports the facts unlike Fox. Some of the newstaff of Fox has left because its not report news (facts) but opinoins based on Trump "Alternative facts".

Acquitted? Republican Sen. Marco Rubio said the offenses in question were impeachable, but to remove Trump from office would harm the nation.

Acquitted? Republican Sen. Lamar Alexander essentially acknowledged that Trump did exactly what he said he didn’t do, but — heh — it wasn’t that bad.

Acquitted? Pleading Trump’s case, attorney Alan Dershowitz delivered what should forever be known as the “duh”-fense against impeachment: If the president did all that’s alleged (wink, wink) he did it in the interest of the nation.

Note I heard Dershowitz say exactly that at the trial. I heard Lamar Alexander say that in an interview. I think I heard Rubio also but am not 100% sure.
Source: https://www.alicetx.com/opinion/20200204/young-donald-trump-is-loser

OK other sources say the same and quote Rubio:
https://www.statesman.com/opinion/20200204/young-donald-trump-is-loser

This is a huge comprehensive site you should consider if you want the fact side of the arguments: http://www.breezymtn.com/dotard.html

On proof of the Russian election interfernce see the Senate (Republican majority) Final Russian Investigation report at https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report_Volume3.pdf
This is a bias report that blames Obama for not making the Russian bots and hacking public sooner since he was concerned he would be blamed for interfering with the election. Trump even makes up the lie it was to support Clinton not him. But this report shows the extent of the massive Russian attempt to influence the election which it is still doing and Trump has taken no action to counter it.

In the meantime the House Democrats have passed about 350 bills to benefit the nation that Mitch in the Senate refuses to bring to the floor to even discuss and many of them are bi-partisan. Pelosi did work with Republicans and after many changes to strengthen the NAFTA agreement got it passed. It was only minor differences from the original and has pros and cons for American workers. There will be job losses in some sectors and gains in others.

I do not want to waste more time on this debate, it is pointless since each side claims their own fact that are opposite the other.
 

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The Rubio quote I may be stand corrected may have been before the vote. I can not find the original source -maybe its been removed since Rubio can not risk going against Trump or Republicans backing Trump.

An honest person by now would have admitted that he is simply wrong. I can in fact clue you in on that particular point. Rubio never said that Trump's actions (action in jalimon speak) were impeachable. He was making a nuanced argument (obviously too nuanced for the bullshit-based media) that even if one were to assume (for the sake of the argument) that Trump's actions were impeachable, he should still not be removed from his office. Unlike jalimon, you are (supposedly) a native English speaker, do you see the difference by now?

I don't have hours to search what the original source was

Maybe you should work on enhancing your searching skills. It took me approximately 10 seconds to find the original source. Not to mention that I posted it twice in this thread.

it is pointless since each side claims their own fact that are opposite the other.

Excuse me, sir, but just a few posts above you addressed another member with the following words:

you have no concept of the facts

Would it perhaps make sense to look in the mirror first?
 

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The brief uptick to 3.1% in GDP growth for one-quarter was due to the $1 trillion tax cut almost all for the wealthy that was not paid for. All his foolishness about how tax cuts for the rich would lead to 4-6% growth and pay for the tax cut has been proven to be one of his fantasies.

Yet again this is a useless argument of facts vs "alternative facts" also known as lies.

It is so encouraging to see Dave in Phoenix lay out such comprehensive and well sourced facts that expose the bald faced lies and hafl-truths propaganda constantly spewed forth from Liar-In-Chief and his Republican enablers.

The right wing apologists here on merb persist in answering with more lies and distortions because the facts are not on their side. They provide no proof nor reputable sources, and are not willing to acknowledge their complicity.
Trump is obviously riding the coattails of the Obama revival of the US economy when he produced jobs at a rate superior to that of the Trump years, with a booming stock market that preceded the Trump years, and with economic GDP growth whose last 3 years exceeded that of Trump's first three years.

I empathize with Dave's exhaustion that merb's radical right wing remains staunchly and deliberately ignorant of the truth. They never acknowledge true fact or the assessment of nonpartisan fact checkers. And commonly resort to sarcasm and juvenile insults. Sad and exhausting.
 

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The right wing apologists here on merb persist in answering with more lies and distortions because the facts are not on their side. They provide no proof nor reputable sources, and are not willing to acknowledge their complicity...
merb's radical right wing remains staunchly and deliberately ignorant of the truth. They never acknowledge true fact or the assessment of nonpartisan fact checkers. And commonly resort to sarcasm and juvenile insults.

And you know all that how? Aren't they all on your ignore list by now?

Thank you for the comic relief anyway.
 

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It is so encouraging to see Dave in Phoenix lay out such comprehensive and well sourced facts that expose the bald faced lies and hafl-truths propaganda constantly spewed forth from Liar-In-Chief and his Republican enablers.

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Some people just cant see the forest for the trees.
Again not 1 fact
just bad opinions
I think the trump impeachment panel was missing 2 key witnesses with additional opinions based on non facts.
Bottom line He won the election people just cant get over it
those same people tried to make up a fake charge that somehow
miraculously the russians somehow managed to change the outcome of the presidential election how absurd
well 2 yrs and millions of dollars ansd President Tump Elect was cleared of all false charges

then It had to be the ukraine it just had to be really it had to be ukraine no wrong again and once again President Trump was cleared of all charges
see a pattern here the left is so far left they cant see reason anymore

well news flash democrats only hurt their chances in the upcomeing election and trump will win with a bigger margin and the left will go absolutely nuts...again
 

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I empathize with Dave's exhaustion that merb's radical right wing remains staunchly and deliberately ignorant of the truth. They never acknowledge true fact or the assessment of nonpartisan fact checkers. And commonly resort to sarcasm and juvenile insults. Sad and exhausting.
Actually your the one with the name calling saying that people with a opinion other than yours are juvenille ,implying statements members make are lies.You just cant accept the fact you can be wrong and have a civil discussion.
what the law is and what is right does not always seem to be the same thing
but again Donald Tump was found not guilty thats a fact.
everything else is opinions and hearsay.

now below is a actual fact .........he was aquitted picture from the washington post as some people have problem comprehending written text

https://www.google.com/search?q=tru...C&biw=1920&bih=937&dpr=1#imgrc=mzrhuSzt7Mu7pM
 

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Fact check - he was impeached he was only found not serious enough for removal from office. He is and always will be the 3rd President impeached in US history and the only one where no witnesses or documents were allowed at his trial in the Senate. To be clear under the US constitution the house impreaches and the senate votes to remove from office or not.

The House impeachment is kind of like a Grand Jury in a criminal case except he and his side was invited to participate in the House proceedings which does not happen in a Grand Jury. He refused to participate but his lawyers and representives had equal time in the House impreachment proceedings. He refused to honor all supeanas and other than one case that will not be settled probably before the election the House knew he could tie up litigation to enforce the supeanas for years on appeals and a final decision would take years even if he ad no legal grounds to refuse them and directed most of his staff to refuse them.

Only those that valued truth and the Constitution ignored his coverup directive and testified all supporting each others facts and all but I believe 4 of the 11 have either resigned or been force out for being honest. and exposing the Truth vs Trumps lies and coverup.
 
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