Senate impeachment circus

[C.B. Brown]

Fact check - he was impeached he was only found not serious enough for removal from office. He is and always will be the 3rd President impeached in US history and the only one where no witnesses or documents were allowed at his trial in the Senate. To be clear under the US constitution the house impreaches and the senate votes to remove from office or not.

fact check
it was a political move by democrats who control the senate
not worth the paper its written on

its like a cop gives you a ticket cause he does not like the colour of your skin or religion and you go to court they see you were unfairly treated and you are aqquitted

this had absolutely noting to do with Trump commitment of a crime as no crime was commit this was to try and discredit trump for the november 2020 election and it has backfired miserably
when he gets re elected and he will he will have this removed from the record

 

[Bred Sob]

He is and always will be the 3rd President impeached in US history

Right. And now he has the chance to become the first impeached President in U.S. history to be reelected. One way or another, American voters will let us know what they think of this bullshit impeachment.

He refused to participate but his lawyers and representives had equal time in the House impreachment proceedings.

Not sure what impreachment is, but if you are talking about impeachment, your statement is of course demonstrably false. Remember, for example, the four law professors? Feldman, Karlan, Gerhardt, and Turley?

 

[C.B. Brown]

What is interesting from the transparent left is.

Adam Shift when asked 2x if the whistle blower had a actual conflict of interest.inspector general said he had reason to think he had partisan bias in favour of a rival political candidate and weather he was a fact witness who directly participated in joe biden threatening the government of Ukraine,blocking 1 billion dollars in military aide and demanding Ukraine fire the top prosecutor who was investigating Burisma Holding wher hunter biden served as a consultant making millions of dollars with no knowledge of the gas industry or Ukraine his only qualification was being son of the vice president of usa and being born with a silver spoon in his mouth.

so president trump trying to route out corruption in ukraine and thowing them money is supposed to turn a blind eye to this corruption



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...krainian-energy-company-burisma-idUSKBN1WX1P7

 

[purplem]

Dave in Phoenix and GMA: The posts the two of you make are always well-articulated, factual and logical. In fact, they are pretty much the opposite of the style used by Trump, Fox News and the uninformed gullible souls who fall for Trump's lies. Let's hope that more Americans begin to research the facts as you two have done.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

What is interesting from the transparent left is.
so president trump trying to route out corruption in ukraine and thowing them money is supposed to turn a blind eye to this corruption
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...krainian-energy-company-burisma-idUSKBN1WX1P7

That linked article (read it all) is one of the best pointing out the facts that there was no Biden corruption.

Fact check: The whistleblower had FACTS about the fake Rudy conspiracy against Biden. All the fact witnesses supported precisely what was in the whistleblower allegations.

Fact Check: As the article points out, absolutely no wrongdoing in the investigation of Biden, who never was even in Ukraine who as a respected Yale lawyer served on many boards. Trump fired the Yxxxxxx women dedicated ambassador who WAS exposing the corruption of the prior Ukraine officials. As typical Trump attacks those that are fighting corruption when, of course, his administration was/is full of corrupt, indicted, and those now in prison from his mafia-like Trump administration.

The $50k (some blow it up to be $100k) a month lawyer fee to Biden is not unreasonable. There are many on Boards on large companies that are paid that kind of fee. Barisma sp? is a huge natural gas company. Biden was attempting to put together a major deal with various countries which would have been a huge benefit for the company until things broke down when Russia invaded Ukraine and took over their territory. Than Trump blackmailed Ukraine illegally withholding Congressionally approved funding (a crime) for an ANNOUNCEMENT on a new Biden investigation NOT AN ACTUAL INVESTIGATION! All to hurt the then front runner in polis, Joe Biden in the 2020 election if he is the nominee.

Biden admits it doesn't look good but I far more believe honest Joe when he states he never discussed the company with Son far more than the constant provable lies every day coming from Trump and his mafia-like goons in his administration. All the honest ones have left or been fired for not supporting the Trump fantasy and his "alternative facts" aka lies.

 

[C.B. Brown]

Dave in Phoenix and GMA: The posts the two of you make are always well-articulated, factual and logical. In fact, they are pretty much the opposite of the style used by Trump, Fox News and the uninformed gullible souls who fall for Trump's lies. Let's hope that more Americans begin to research the facts as you two have done.

what the 3 of you write is exactly what the democrats came forth with
no facts to make a case
and they lost big time

Trump won
and November 2020 he will win again

 

[C.B. Brown]

Biden admits it doesn't look good but I far more believe honest Joe

he is finished as well

clint eastwood did a histerical clip on youtube about ''honest ''joe
i almost choked i laughted so hard at that

[h=1]Clint Eastwood: Biden, The Intellect of the Democratic Party[/h]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQcCeOqSiGY

 

[C.B. Brown]

Dave in Phoenix and GMA: The posts the two of you make are always well-articulated, factual and logical. In fact, they are pretty much the opposite of the style used by Trump, Fox News and the uninformed gullible souls who fall for Trump's lies. Let's hope that more Americans begin to research the facts as you two have done.

When you imply, members who have a different opinion, other than yourself, are gullible
you are publically questioning their intelligence
hence a insult ,breaching board rules.

 

[C.B. Brown]

Than Trump blackmailed Ukraine illegally withholding Congressionally approved funding (a crime)

here is a copy of the phone transcript can you please point out where he made this blackmail and threat?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/15/politics/read-white-house-transcript-trump-zelensky-call/index.html

 

[C.B. Brown]

The right wing apologists here on merb persist in answering with more lies and distortions because the facts are not on their side. They provide no proof nor reputable sources, and are not willing to acknowledge their complicity.
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What is funny is how you complained to the mods how a number of us were being childish and bullying yoy,yet read what you write.to disagree is 1 thing ,to call us a bunch of liars you are breaking board rules, by insulting members.
i highlighted it in red

 

[Fradi]

Dave in Phoenix and GMA: The posts the two of you make are always well-articulated, factual and logical. In fact, they are pretty much the opposite of the style used by Trump, Fox News and the uninformed gullible souls who fall for Trump's lies. Let's hope that more Americans begin to research the facts as you two have done.

I actually prefer female cheerleaders they are far better to look at.

 

[Bred Sob]

I actually prefer female cheerleaders they are far better to look at.

I must say your voice of reason was badly missing in this thread for a long while. :clap2:

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

here is a copy of the phone transcript can you please point out where he made this blackmail and threat?

That is an edited version of the White House non-transcript but a summary. This is a better version https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

He asks for favor on top of page 3 and does his fantasy about cloudsrike and other lies; then, on page 4, he talks about Biden.

The footnote think on page 1 clearly says this is not a complete transcript with Trump refuses to release but what is released asking for a favor and Biden stuff was followed up by much more confirming evidence by the six honest witnesses in the House Impeachment Hearing vs. Trump lies and how his lawyers tried to twist the facts and argue no crime - which isn't needed for impeachment. The blocking of the more direct witness by Trump seems clearly an abuse of power, as was his blackmail of Ukraine.

This is a minor part of the impeachment. There were direct witnesses in the house like the person that overheard the phone conversation at malo Largo (sp?) and six other witnesses and emails tying the release of funds to him just announcing an investigation of Biden.

 

[Bred Sob]

Than Trump blackmailed Ukraine illegally withholding Congressionally approved funding (a crime)

As you failed to answer the question asked of you by C.B. Brown, let me now try my luck. Can you please post the exact quote from the transcript demonstrating that Trump committed that alleged blackmail you have accused him of? Thank you.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

After asking "do may a favor" and talking about Biden and we to not know what else was on the call since its not a full transcript and he will not allow anyone that was on the call to testify (hide the rest of it).

Immediately after the call he instructed the withholding of the funds (which is a crime). Others testified that he made clear the funds were held up until there was an announcement of an investigtion (not an actual one since there had already been when with no issues with Biden).

As soon as the whistleblower report came out he knew he had been caught in the blackmail and could be in trouble so he released the funds. The folks that were responsible for holding the funds also questioned the legality of holding them in memos and emails shown as evidence in the House proceedings.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

By Withholding Funds to Ukraine, Trump Broke the Law
The Government Accountability Office says Trump's spending delay was illegal.
https://reason.com/2020/01/16/by-withholding-funds-to-ukraine-trump-broke-the-law

 

[Bred Sob]

After asking "do may a favor" and talking about Biden and we to not know what else was on the call since its not a full transcript and he will not allow anyone that was on the call to testify (hide the rest of it).

OK, so it seems that you have admitted that the transcript does not contain any evidence of blackmail. If that is not so, please post the exact quote from the transcript demonstrating blackmail. The phrase "do may a favor" does not make any sense whatsoever and (surprise!) is not to be found in the transcript.

Can you please present any evidence of the blackmail allegation you are repeatedly making? So far you have not done so. Sorry, but "he knew he had been caught in the blackmail" does not qualify. Nor does your (unsupported) statement "we to not know what else was on the call ".

Or maybe you would now prefer to take back your allegation of blackmail? That would be fine too, as at this point it looks exactly like a baseless smear without a shred of evidence to back it up.

 

[Bred Sob]

By Withholding Funds to Ukraine, Trump Broke the Law
The Government Accountability Office says Trump's spending delay was illegal.

The Government Accountability Office's claim that Trump did something illegal does not constitute a proof that Trump indeed did something illegal. And your claim "Trump Broke the Law" does not do so either. In the U.S. we have some other institutions that are responsible for establishing whether or not an individual did something illegal.

 

[C.B. Brown]

There were direct witnesses in the house like the person that overheard the phone conversation

Ahh the hearsay conspiricy.
Last time i checked hearsay does not hold up in a court of law.
so recap
he won
they lost and can still no get over it
thats life

 

[C.B. Brown]

Immediately after the call he instructed the withholding of the funds (which is a crime). .

Its normal procedure>Fact is almost every country which received aid from usa
aid was with held briefly like ukraine
40 days no major impact nor were they aware till the media leaked it.
as well under obama he refused aid for 2 yrs so why when a democrat does it for a extended period of time its ok and a republican does it its a crime/

As soon as the whistleblower report came out he knew he had been caught .

a 6 yr old can be called as a witness as can a rape victim ..i love the way democrats make stuff as they went on in the witch hunt.saying the make believe whistle blower has special rights and can not be named
now can a person claim a crime is commited which is not proved in congress then expect not to be called or named
you have the right to face your accuser
but everyone knows its shifty adam schiff is the imaginary whistleblower
they rushed to congress with a iron clad case and as soon as trump released the transcript
they like a bunch of kids stamped their feet it was not fair and they needed the congress not to call cherry picked witnesses who would
give their version of what in their minds happened
but hey reality sucks when you got no proof no case no common scence