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Article from Quebec City newspaper Le Soleil: Meurtre dans un hôtel de Sainte-Foy: «Elle se pensait en sécurité»
https://www.lesoleil.com/actualite/...-photosvideo-a788cd2578bb46cf20cb8266278c6d03

Extracts:
- the victim (Marylène) knew that the perpetrator had a criminal record because of something involving his romantic partner; the friend with whom Marylène stayed most of the time while she worked in Quebec City in an erotic massage parlor about 2 days a week (she was from out of town, from Saguenay), did not know whether Marylène knew that the criminal record was for murder
Marylène said, according to her friend:
“ouais, il est un peu creepy. Il a fait de la prison à cause de [l’histoire avec] sa femme, une affaire de même. C’est sûr que ça me fait un peu peur. Mais c’est dans un hôtel en plein milieu de la ville...”
My translation: "Yes, the guy is a bit creepy. He was in prison because of his wife/romantic partner. Sure, that frightens me a bit. But it [the meeting] is in a hotel right in the middle of the city [hôtel Sépia]."

- it was the second time that Marylène had the creep as a client. The first time the creep had paid her $1300.
- To meet Marylène the second time, the creep had offered her $2000. Marylène's friend discussed with her whether it was prudent to see the creep a second time. Her friend felt that, in the end, it was the offer of $2000 that pushed Marylène to see the creep again.
- The creep had been banned from Marylène's massage parlor because of violent behavior towards other masseuses. Marylène usually did not see clients outside the massage parlor.
- Marylène had been working for 5 years in an erotic massage parlor. But she wanted to leave the métier, and was already working reduced hours (two days in two weeks).

Another article from Le Soleil: Meurtre dans un hôtel de Sainte-Foy: l'accusé présentait un risque de récidive «modéré»
https://www.lesoleil.com/actualite/...idive-modere-331f4ef4912c76c827fb00ab60316869
Here the reader learns that the authorities dealing with the conditional release of the presumed (and self-confessed) murderer of Marylène, named Gallese, had developed a strategy that allowed Gallese to see women but only to satisfy his sexual needs, and Gallese had to tell his minders about the women he was seeing.

It looks as if Gallese was judged too dangerous to have a normal romantic relationship with a woman, but that sex workers were judged to be satisfactory as guinea pigs to test whether Gallese could behave himself. How else to interpret what happened ?
This is how it looks like to Stella, an organization for and by sex workers based in Montreal [ http://chezstella.org/ ] :

Les travailleuses du sexe traitées comme des «sous-femmes»
https://www.lesoleil.com/actualite/...femmes-video-6d881a19287c9f11552ab85c2bf2142d
The article also quotes Mélodie Nelson, author, ex-escort and activist for the rights of sex workers:
"It's incomprehensible that a risk was perceived to exist and that one gave more importance to the satisfaction of the sexual needs of a potentially dangerous man than to the risks that sex workers would be exposed to. This was really done with the agreement of his correctional officer ... I don't know what to say. I find this truly horrible." "We are another category of women, subhuman. Here sex workers were used to protect the rest of the population."

What a shit show! I hope that the family of Marylène examines its legal options against this correctional officer and his/her employer.


Another article from Le Soleil about the circumstances of the murder, in 2004, that brought Gallese behind bars the first time: Meurtre à Sainte-Foy: un conjoint jaloux et contrôlant
https://www.lesoleil.com/actualite/...t-controlant-2b05510a4dbcda939d4ed9876e3ce612
 

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MattMiller,

That was my interpretation as well. This murdered woman was a guinea pig for an experiment on whether he could or couldn’t be eased back into normal relationships with women. Appalling!
 

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How does C-36 allow for a convicted felon to be allowed to purchase sex from an escort.
Strange way to apply the law.

This is not the way anybody should lose their life, such a gorgeous young lady.
 

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MattMiller,

That was my interpretation as well. This murdered woman was a guinea pig for an experiment on whether he could or couldn’t be eased back into normal relationships with women. Appalling!

EB, when the media reported about Incels [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel ] a while ago, one could also read online that the social utility of sex workers was that they could satisfy the sexual needs of incels who often hold mysogynistic views.
 

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Fradi,

I was wondering about that myself. Built in to the parole condition is a presumption that the condition itself is legal. The Parole Board has a lot of explaining to do to the public on this one.
 

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With a name and birthdate you can go to any courthouse in quebec and find out if any criminal cases have been filed (on the province of quebec)againt that person (even if they were found not guilty) and its free
 

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She was a massage parlour worker where he apparently was a "regular". he murdered her in a hotel room.

Where does a released felon get the MONEY to be a "regular", let alone get a hotel room ???

There apparently was a "deal" for him to meet women - "to satisfy his canal urges" <- HOW DID THAT HAPPEN ?

the ppl who gave him his "semi-liberation" are part of this murder AND SHOULD BE TRIED AS SUCH.

just a reminder : he killed his wife by strangulation, then 12 knife stabs ... then finished her off with a hammer.
 

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just a reminder : he killed his wife by strangulation, then 12 knife stabs ... then finished her off with a hammer.

How he got second degree murder after that one is beyond me. He should have been hanged. I am for rehabilitation for other offense. Not for murderer.

Now they will have to ship this piece of misogynist shit in another province as killing such a girl will not fare well with other inmates...
 

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Just tragic what happened to this poor girl

The Canadian justice system at times is too- lenient , too-soft .... and to think that this man’s handlers knew about what was going on and allowed it to continue just makes no sense to me
 

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Murdering a criminal is not a punishment. A real punishment would be life ***without*** parole

I totally agree. And stats have shown that executing a criminal costs more in the long run than keeping him/her locked up for life. But there's a problem: our prisons are full and that's why way too many criminals get out prematurely due to 'good behaviour'.
 

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i'm pretty sure murderers should be the last released, regardless of how "good" they are in prison.

the feds who are running the release program need to be held accontable for their decision, plain & simple.
 

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I totally agree. And stats have shown that executing a criminal costs more in the long run than keeping him/her locked up for life. But there's a problem: our prisons are full and that's why way too many criminals get out prematurely due to 'good behaviour'.

Exactly. Executions are more costly in the end. Maybe if we stopped arresting people for petty reasons we’d have plenty of space in prisons for murderers and rapists. To me, prison should be used as a last resort in cases of violent crimes. Anything else should be dealt with differently. There are too many people in prison who aren’t a threat to anyone and shouldn’t be taking space and ressources in prisons. Home confinement is a good alternative, for example. And there are many other possibilities.
 

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I have not read whether the MP called the police or not.

They did not. There had been issues with the guy so the MP barred him. She accepted to meet him on her time at a hotel.

There may be many reasons why they did not call LE, mainly that they succeeded in barring him. It's a hard judgement for a MP to determine if they should call LE. They knew he was violent, but how could they have predicted what happened subsequently.

I'm not blaming the MP. What I was questioning is the statement by Wesley that MPs don't call LE because of the high risk of being closed. I don't believe that there is such a high risk in reporting violent clients and I know for a fact that some do. The MP, in this case, is in perfect conformity with the city regulations and has a good reputation. Some MPs in Quebec were closed in the last 15 years, all except one case, without police intervention. They were notified directly by the city of non conformity with the zoning regulation. The other, Salon blanc about ten years ago, was closed because the owners were being prosecuted for a drug trafficking offense in the the city of Rimouski if I remember well. I have never heard of a MP being prosecuted following a complaint regarding a violent client.

One last thing concerning security: I doubt that this guy would have killed her in a MP where the security level is by far the highest in the industry, at least in such a MP as the one where she worked.
 

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Murdering a criminal is not a punishment. A real punishment would be life ***without*** parole

You are correct Julia, but in the case of Life "Without" parole society as a whole pays to keep this scumbag in Jail, whereas a bullet costs what? Maybe $1
And this dude didn't learn anything from his previous jail stint so I doubt more time would do any good or make him suffer.

I loved the line from Marcelus Wallace in the movie Pulp Fiction - " i'm gonna call a couple of hard pipe hitting brothers and go to town on this Muther****** with some pliers and a blowtorch" ..... If only reality imitated art.......
 

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And a great use of my tax dollar.
well i am not god at math but
Canadians taxpayers dished out an average of $ 113,974 to lodge an inmate in a federal prison last year - a 30% increase from four years ago
life expectecency for a canadian is 82.3 yrs
31.3 x 113,974,386 = $ 3,567,386.2 not factering in the increases every 4 yrs in cost.
I was actually suprised to read death penalty costs to end were $ 1.26 million when googled which i guess you did, since its probably usa cost we would have to facter in exchange rate
Fact ... the justice system is obviously flawed obviously, so id say i prefer the death penalty to ensure it does not happen again.
A eye for a eye a tooth for a tooth.


 

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I totally agree. And stats have shown that executing a criminal costs more in the long run than keeping him/her locked up for life. But there's a problem: our prisons are full and that's why way too many criminals get out prematurely due to 'good behaviour'.

I'd like to know what kind of statistics these are and what are parameters they are using to calculate this?

I cant fathom how paying to keep a person for life in jail is LESS expensive than execution!

Are they taking into account the years of legal fee's of Appeals to higher courts? If that's the case then the solution isn't that hard.
 

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Haven't read entirely the posts after mine yet so I will edit this post once I do (EDIT: Okay, I did read them now)

I'd just like to point out that ''death sentence'' does *not* mean the guy dies tomorrow. It just means a more expensive stay in jail. You're basically paying for his stay in jail, only difference is it's more expensive. And many death row inmates spend a lifetime in prison and die of natural causes before their execution. Which means they only really got a life sentence, but a more expensive one. Not to mention the entire process itself is a lot more lenghty and requires many more profesionnals, all of which is more expensive as well. And then, every death row inmate is granted several appeals, which is also expensive. Do you guys understand what I'm getting at? A death sentence is just more expensive and, often, ends up being nothing but a more costly life sentence.


Why is the death penalty so expensive?


Legal costs: Almost all people who face the death penalty cannot afford their own attorney. The state must assign public defenders or court-appointed lawyers to represent them (the accepted practice is to assign two lawyers), and pay for the costs of the prosecution as well.


Pre-trial costs: Capital cases are far more complicated than non-capital cases and take longer to go to trial. Experts will probably be needed on forensic evidence, mental health, and the background and life history of the defendant. County taxpayers pick up the costs of added security and longer pre-trial detention.


Jury selection: Because of the need to question jurors thoroughly on their views about the death penalty, jury selection in capital cases is much more time consuming and expensive.


Trial: Death-penalty trials can last more than four times longer than non-capital trials, requiring juror and attorney compensation, in addition to court personnel and other related costs.


Incarceration: Most death rows involve solitary confinement in a special facility. These require more security and other accommodations as the prisoners are kept for 23 hours a day in their cells.


Appeals: To minimize mistakes, every prisoner is entitled to a series of appeals. The costs are borne at taxpayers’ expense. These appeals are essential because some inmates have come within hours of execution before evidence was uncovered proving their innocence.
 

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The murderer has been in prison for around 15 years and the very first thing he does is go to a Massage Parlour and then the murder. If it is not prison for life, what is the other solution beside death sentence? And how did he had 1300$ in the first place? It sound like the first meeting was a success which gave the girl confidence and trust for the unfortunate 2nd meeting...
 
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