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anon_vlad said:
That surprised me a little bit to, but not being there and knowing how things went down i guess it is hard to judge.
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That surprised me a little bit to, but not being there and knowing how things went down i guess it is hard to judge.
It's easy to say "Yes" being safe behind my computer. Honestly, I think and hope so. I would certainly be ashamed of myself if I simply ran out of the bus. It seems clear that the police could not arrive in time to save the victim.thebitchelor said:
There weren't a lot of details as to how long the attack was and who was on the bus. The cops did praise the passengers for keeping the guy there until they arrived. The term the cop used was "brave".
Perhaps he was killed quickly - it doesn't take long if your artery is severed - 2 minutes I think , and there is nothing you can do anyway as soon as it's cut.
Out of a bus of 30 people , deduct woman and children and men under 18 and over 55, you might not have that many candidates to do much more than what they did which was get everybody else out and keep him confined until the cops got there. If you are 4 or 5 rows away the victim might already be dead, you aren't armed and you have no idea how disarm a violent maniac....I think that unless you are an ex-cop or a soldier the most that you can expect from civilians is what they did.
Perhaps he was killed quickly - it doesn't take long if your artery is severed - 2 minutes I think , and there is nothing you can do anyway as soon as it's cut.
Out of a bus of 30 people , deduct woman and children and men under 18 and over 55, you might not have that many candidates to do much more than what they did which was get everybody else out and keep him confined until the cops got there. If you are 4 or 5 rows away the victim might already be dead, you aren't armed and you have no idea how disarm a violent maniac....I think that unless you are an ex-cop or a soldier the most that you can expect from civilians is what they did.
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You got that part right. I honestly think that most of us are getting a little sick of it. Problem is these types are very vocal and everyone tends to back off. We all want to look like the nice guy. jeffrey Arenburg who shot Brian Smith in Ottawa years ago was pronounced fit and released back into society.Daringly said:
www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/story.html?id=72c19756-ba2e-4d52-b6f8-23fce091124f&
Detained at the US border he went ballistic and attacked a border patrol officer. Good thing he didn't have a weapon. This man should never been allowed back among us. He cannot function in society period. He will never be able to. What was in their heads to ever let him out? Sometimes I think they need a good size ten planted right up their backsides.
No argument here! I am not a fan of indescriminate use of the taser here but a double shot would have suited me fine. Hurts like hell apparently.SexyNadya said:
It is unfortunate that none were in a position to help but I believe the young man was dead within 1 minute of the attack. I suppose that if you had a hammer to hit him over the head you might want to make sure he stayed down for a very long time. Seems like no one was so armed. Too bad!
1. Terrible, reprehensible, ghoulish crime.
2. He is clearly suffering severe mental health problems.
3. Interesting 2nd degree and not first degree murder charged.
4. Let us be measured by how the worst among us are dealt with - as frustrating as it is, let the case work its way through the system.
5. Do you really think we should put the mentally ill to death?
6. Doc, interesting 3 part article on you recently in the National Post.
7. I await everyones agreement with me.
8. Lets not lose our heads over this one.
2. He is clearly suffering severe mental health problems.
3. Interesting 2nd degree and not first degree murder charged.
4. Let us be measured by how the worst among us are dealt with - as frustrating as it is, let the case work its way through the system.
5. Do you really think we should put the mentally ill to death?
6. Doc, interesting 3 part article on you recently in the National Post.
7. I await everyones agreement with me.
8. Lets not lose our heads over this one.
1. If someone were armed and had taken the bad guy out in defence of life no tears would be shed here.Regular Guy said:
2. I hope this isn't a suggestion that we should have the right to carry fire arms.
3. A true story as recounted to me by a Canadian living in the USA.... guy gets in a dispute at work, goes home, gets his gun comes back kills and wounds several - Canadian thought: now my gun loving American friends will see the follie of their ways. Dead wrong. They said too bad everyone wasn't armed and then he wouldn't have killed some many and they could have killed him.
4. There is a real danger in applying a solution to one past event only to everything in the future without seeing its wider implications for greater danger and harm.
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The point was the victim was dead quickly from the stabbing. The head was cut off after he was already dead. If you had any notion of intervening to save a life it was already too late.
Sounds like they have nothing really to feel guilty or ashamed about.
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Dee said:
Because it was a terrible, reprehensible, ghoulish crime i am all for putting him to death mentally ill or not. As you can probably tell i am a hard liner when it comes to crime, if you do this type of crime(murder) fuck you anything that happens short of the death penalty then you got off way to easy.
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This is speculation pending an autopsy. You may be right, but it depends on where the victim was stabbed and whether those wounds were fatal or not. It may be that the autopsy will not be able to answer this question because of blood lost through the decapitation, if the stab wounds were multiple but not individually fatal.
Many years ago I had an issue in a motor vehicle accident case on whether someone was still alive or dead when the accident occurred. The witnesses saw what looked like a "driverless vehicle" weaving at high speeds from one lane to another before ultimately crashing into another car and then a wall, killing the driver of the meandering vehicle. None of the witnesses interviewed could say if the driver, an elderly man in his late 70s with a heart condition, was slumped over at the wheel, nor could they say if they saw his hands on the steering wheel.
So I deposed the medical examiner who did the autopsy and he said the elderly man was most definitely alive at the time of the impact. He knew this because of the way that he had bled out as a result of the traumatic injuries he sustained in the crash from his rib bones and chest being crushed by the steering wheel; he found so much blood in the peritoneal cavity that such blood displacement only could have occurred by a heart that was still pumping in the normal manner. Although he did allow that a cardiac event could have occurred which rendered the unfortunate driver unconscious at the wheel prior to the crash. And that is what most likely happened, as the poor man was actually driving home from an appointment with his cardiologist and was complaining of pre-myocardial infarction symptoms in the weeks before his death.
In this case involving the Greyhound beheading, any of the stab wounds could have been fatal, and they may be able to determine that through autopsy, although the decapitation may have been done while the guy was still alive but bleeding from his mortal stab wounds. It may be that the autopsy will be able to determine whether the fatal blood loss was from one or a combination of stab wounds, or the decapitation.
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at least he should be castrated to avoid his reproduction. His mental health problems could be trasmitted to next generations, that a real danger.
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A bus is a very constrained and confined area. Even someone well trained would have a difficult time going after someone who is in a position of strength with a knife in the back of a bus. If a bunch of people tried to get at this guy while on the bus there would have been more than one person dead when things were over. I think they acted in the only possible way they could have.
Gives Asians a bad name
An eye for an eye is something I believe in, he deserves to be stabbed in the same manner and then beheaded. I know the backlash against Asians will be a negative one... The Chinese guy who murdered the model in China, and now this savage attack... Man I probably will have a bunch of scared SPs when they see my sword (for those who are not sure, I am referring to my penis and not because I carry a sword...)!!!
My prayers go out to the victims family.
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An eye for an eye is something I believe in, he deserves to be stabbed in the same manner and then beheaded. I know the backlash against Asians will be a negative one... The Chinese guy who murdered the model in China, and now this savage attack... Man I probably will have a bunch of scared SPs when they see my sword (for those who are not sure, I am referring to my penis and not because I carry a sword...)!!!
My prayers go out to the victims family.
CA OUT!
CockAsian69 said:
How come you left out the Korean who murdered 33 people at Virginia Tech?
Actually I find it somewhat ironic because most of the Asians I know are peaceful, hard working people. When I initially heard this story on the news of a beheading I immediately assumed it was an Islamic fundamentalist who had done this.
Time to hold their feet to the fire!!!!
Actually I believe I was referring to heavy blunt objects. The issue of carrying firearms is a complex one. Concealed weapons or antipersonelle weapons are illegal in Canada unlike the States. Nevertheless I do believe the good samaritan law is still a tenet of the law.
Unfortunately whenever we refer to issues like this where psychotic killers are involved we immediately tend to lump them in with the general mentally ill population. Of course I don't mean putting Uncle Harry who insists on watering the lawn in the rain to death. I am talking about extremely dangerous psychotic types who have killed brutally and unless they come out of therapy in a close tie with Mother Teresa should not be allowed into society with the rest of us - ever. Indeed I seriously question any who claim that the death penalty is not a deterrent. It is all about creating climates in society not presenting a demonstration lesson to the criminal element in our society. That fact alone is a sound argument for the return of the death penalty. But I am also getting the impression that as in all arguments where the death penalty is concerned the anti's present the argument that "let cooler heads prevail". As usual we are letting sentiment cloud the issue. the "let cooler heads prevail" argument is just one more manifestation of the political correctness wave of sentiment which tends to be used to silence the voice of rational argument.
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You should change your handle to Hammurabi... no turning of the other cheek for you. What would you do if a man had sex with your goat?CockAsian69 said:
Lest we forget:CockAsian69 said:
Charles Ng
born: 24-12-1961
In California
he began a campaign of abduction, rape and murder . A series of hidden rooms were built into the cabin system. Restraints were fixed to the walls and the inner cell was wired for sound and fitted with a one-way mirror so they could observe at will.
Altogether, the bodies of seven men, three women, two baby boys and forty-five pounds of bone fragments would be recovered from in and around the cabin site.
The killings only came to an end through chance. Having broken the vice they were using as a torture device,
, the police began to investigate Lake's cabin. In addition to the corpses and body parts, they also unearthed caches of weapons, personal effects from the victims and even videotapes of Lake and Ng raping and killing in their bunker.
It was Ng's habit of shoplifting that proved his undoing. Leaving a Calgary shop, Ng was challenged by security guards over grocery items in his bag. He drew a gun and in the ensuing struggle one of the officers was shot in the hand.
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But I don't think people will attach race to this crime... its my impression that if anything in Canada Asians are very highly regarded.
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Daringly said:
Hello Nadya,
First, shouldn't this have gone in the beheading thread already started.
I have to agree with Daringly. I am shocked this guy is being charged with "second degree murder". He changed seats and sat next to the victim, then began to simply slaughter him like a sacrificial animal in some satanic ritual. The fact that he changed seats to be close to the victim shows a basis for premeditation, which in the U.S. would be grounds for first degree murder. It's especially heinous if as it seems the victim was just random and innocent having made no offense and with no history of conflict with the murderer. I'm afraid in such a case, and due the the horrific nature of the crime, this is one of those rare times I would say "eye for an eye" applies given what we know so far.
Simply barbaric,
Korbel
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Dee said:
Luckily I do not have a goat to find out, eh? LOL And no I am not changing my name to Goatfucker either... Hahahha
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