The Joe.T Memorial Yankees Suck Thread for 2007

[rumpleforeskiin]

Do you really believe that Clemens needs the extra $8.5 million the Yankees offered him in order to make his mortgage or car payments? He doesn't.

Sometimes I truly believe that you don't really buy the bullshit you deliver, Beav. No, he doesn't need the money. He doesn't need a dime. Johnny Demon really didn't need the extra $12 M more that the Yanks offered him vs. the Sox offer.

In this case, as in all cases, he took the best offer. If he wanted to go with the team with the best chance to win, he'd have chosen to join the team with 3 aces, the team with a bullpen that actually gets guys out, the bullpen that isn't going to be burnt out by the time he joins them.

The Yankees made Clemens a desperation offer, he gobbled it up.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Brady a Yankees Fan

By the ways, in Thursday's NY Post page 6 (gossip page) there was a photo of New England Patriots QB Tom Brady wearing a NY Yankees cap as he was holding hands with Brazilian supermodel Gisele Bundchen and strolling through Central Park. It's good to know we have Tom Brady's support.

I will try to find this photo and post a link later, but it may be archived.

 

[Joe.t]

You continue to be a moron, Joe.

Why thank you rumples for the continuous compliments you keep giving me which i love, infact i would love to change my handle to Moronico or something similar but i am sure the mods would not allow it.

 

[z/m(Ret)]

i would love to change my handle to Moronico or something similar but i am sure the mods would not allow it.

You can always try Pugilatus Ignorantus and see if the mods will let it fly.

 

[Special K]

By the ways, in Thursday's NY Post page 6 (gossip page) there was a photo of New England Patriots QB Tom Brady wearing a NY Yankees cap as he was holding hands with Brazilian supermodel Gisele Bundchen and strolling through Central Park. It's good to know we have Tom Brady's support.

I will try to find this photo and post a link later, but it may be archived.

You think the NE fans give a fuck what team hat Tom Brady wears Beav??? So long as he delivers 3 Superbowl titles to the area I couldn't give a fuck if he wears a raccoon cap in NYC with Giselle on his arm.

It's completely asinine that people have made an issue of this ever since Brady became the Pro Bowl QB that he is today. I remember the media talking about him wearing a Yankees cap 4 years ago!!

If Eli Manning or Chad Pennington were to wear Red Sox caps would you really give a shit if they brought you a Superbowl title? Well, that's kind of a far fetched dream anyway since neither will be doing that in the near future, or distant for that matter!

 

[Special K]

Why thank you rumples for the continuous compliments you keep giving me which i love, infact i would love to change my handle to Moronico or something similar but i am sure the mods would not allow it.

Since it would be incredibly fitting, you could ask?

You can always try Pugilatus Ignorantus and see if the mods will let it fly.

Very fitting as well as I see you're keeping up with your typical baseball predictions in the pugilist world.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

So here's what the experts say...

Joe.T is fond of quoting reporters as experts although he as of late taking to citing Dayn Perry of FoxSports and formerly of Baseball Prospectus. Dayn is a very smart guy and a top analyst. According to Perry, Clemens is the wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Clemens last year was a 5.75 inning pitcher, beginning his season in late June. This year, starting three weeks earlier, a year older, and in a tougher division in a tougher league, Perry sees Clemens as a 5 inning pitcher. Just what the fucking Yankees need; another guy to work their beleaguered bullpen even harder.

He sees Clemens pitching to an ERA in the low 4.00 range. Last year, Clemens was quite effective the first two times through the lineup, less so the third time through.

Joe Sheehan, a Yankee fan over at BP, though a rare honest one, sees Clemens adding 2-3 wins to the Yankee total by season's end. That's actually quite significant, for one player to add that much. However, that boils out to $9-13 M per win, worth it if the Yanks win the World Series, possibly even if it's the difference between making the playoffs and not. (And, of course, there's the added expense of flying him in to rejoin the team every fifth day.)

But from the analysis of both Sheehan and Perry, it's pretty clear that Clemens would be a 3-4 guy in the Boston rotation and there's no way on earth a 3-4 guy is worth that kind of dough, especially if he's adding a ton of wear and tear on the bullpen.

 

[EagerBeaver]

It was discussed on WFAN today that Clemens is a likely #4 in the rotation and Hughes, when he returns, #5. Certainly these are upgrades, significant upgrades, from the guys they have been running out in these slots.

Also on WFAN a discussion of more theater at Yankees Stadium when Clemens has his first start, at which time he will be lowered by rope from a hovering helicopter down to the pitching mound to a standing O as "Rocket Man" is played over the PA (unless they can get Elton John to appear and perform in person). Personally I think this sounds kinda of like the WWF.

Please note that Al Leiter on YES network said he pitched with Clemens at the WBC last summer and he said Clemens had the best stuff he has ever had at the WBC. How many innings he can go per start is a valid question, we will just have to wait and see because none of us have crystal balls.

 

[Special K]

Also on WFAN a discussion of more theater at Yankees Stadium when Clemens has his first start, at which time he will be lowered by rope from a hovering helicopter down to the pitching mound to a standing O as "Rocket Man" is played over the PA (unless they can get Elton John to appear and perform in person). Personally I think this sounds kinda of like the WWF.

This has to be an absurd joke!! I certainly hope so anyway.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Special K,

This is what they were discussing. Remember that baseball teams are in the business of providing entertainment for fans, and always want to keep the atmosphere lively and entertaining for the fans. The Yankees have always done a very good job of this.

That being said I don't really know what the plan is, i.e., whether the helicopter will enter the Stadium and then "medvac" Clemens out of the Stadium bullpen and then lower him down onto the mound, or whether he will warm up outside the Stadium, get into the helicopter and then be lowered as the helicopter roars in from the sky above centerfield. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Interesting Quote from Clemens

Sportscenter replayed an interesting quote from Clemens, from an interview yesterday on YES. Clemens said that he's coming back to the Bronx to bring a championship; anything less is total failure.

The 21st century Yankees have sure done a lot of failing.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Just Beav smoking the good stuff again. Yes, the Rocket will imbue the clubhouse with his massive presence for about 5 hours a week. This 5 inning bargain will torch the bullpen once every 5 days and then head back to Debbie in Katy to play golf while his "teammates" try to fight their way back to respectability.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Because of the way the game has changed, some of the old milestones now seem unreachable. With the advent of the 5 man rotation, starting pitchers nowadays only make some 33-34 appearances and, as such, one has to be near perfect to win 30. The last 30 game winner, of course, was Denny McLain with the Tigers in 1968. The last pitcher to win 25 or more was Bob Welch in 1990, who won 27 for the Oakland A's. (By the way, thanks to these wins, Welch won the Cy Young Award that year, though he didn't deserve it. He didn't pitch all that well and was hugely helped by tremendous run support.)

In the early going this year, only one pitcher in the American League has been perfect. Winning his first seven starts with an ERA of 2.51 and a whip of 1.03, Josh Beckett has taken a commanding early lead in the Cy Young race and is well on his way to becoming the first 25 game winner in baseball in nearly 20 years.

(N.B. If Beckett were a Yankee, would some dope be talking 30 wins seriously?)

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

BTW, Anyone seen any pictures of Roger Clemens lately? He looks like he ate Staten Island. Considering the importance of his legs and the fact that it's his legs that have worn out in recent years, might it not be a bad idea for the Rocket (or rather the Blimp) to have a tummy tuck before rejoining the Yankees?

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

I doubt Beckett will continue to win for much longer judging from his performance last year.

Beckett has made the adjustment from thrower to pitcher. Here's a quote from a couple of scouts who were at the game in TO last night:
The 10 or so scouts who watched Beckett recover from a tough start last night -- a home run by Alex Rios on the first pitch and a double by Adam Lind right afterward -- drooled over Beckett's talent.
"Boy, he really recovered," said a veteran scout. "That was so impressive. He's a bulldog. Once he had that big lead, he wasn't going to be denied. He finished off the job. He's the best pitcher in our league right now. And I wouldn't have said that about him last year."

He's always had great stuff, but this is big-time-pitcher territory we're heading into.
"Filthy stuff," said a scout. "Absolutely filthy."

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

he had already started to show signs of trouble by his seventh start last year.

You're right about everything, BT. But actually Beckett's problems began with his fourth start last year.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Melnick is not an analyst; he's a talk show host. Before doing sports talk, he did general talk. Before that, he was a concert promoter.

The fact that he's a Red Sox fan does not automatically make him a wizard. His statement that he wouldn't have been surprised to see a starting pitcher who worked 113 innings get the Cy Young Award certainly calls his judgement into question. In point of fact, Clemens did not get even one third place vote.

 

[Joe.t]

He's the best pitcher in our league right now. And I wouldn't have said that about him last year."

He's always had great stuff, but this is big-time-pitcher territory we're heading into.
"Filthy stuff," said a scout. "Absolutely filthy."

I agree that this guy is great and he looks like he's the next Warren Spahn but my opinion has nothing to do with the fact that he plays for the Red Sox.

Just Beav smoking the good stuff again,

Why Beav i am disappointed in you, how come you never offered me some at the last HDLM party because lately the stuff that i have been getting up here has been crap, you should have been passing some of that around, its been a long time since i had some of the good stuff, next time don't be so shy and spark one up.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Why Beav i am disappointed in you, how come you never offered me some at the last HDLM party because lately the stuff that i have been getting up here has been crap, you should have been passing some of that around, its been a long time since i had some of the good stuff, next time don't be so shy and spark one up.

Joe.t,

I think Rumples is just joking and teasing about me smoking. I don't drink much, don't smoke and have not done illegal drugs since I was in college. When I was in college I lived in a dorm which was something of a melting pot of cultures and ethnic backgrounds and a lot of inner city black guys lived with me. I got along with them well, socialized with them and they offered me all kinds of drugs, which I tried so as not to offend them. The truth is I never really liked drugs, never really enjoyed the "high." At one time they did give me some stuff that they called "sensomilia" which I think may have been a street name for angel dust. It was smoked through a pipe or bong and it made me hallucinate (as I lay in my bed inanimate objects in my room, like lamps and chairs and desks, appeared to move around on their own). Did not really find this to be an enjoyable experience and never did it again. My only real vice I enjoyed was sex.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

When did Schilling ever say that PEDs have not been a problem in baseball? Check your facts. Maybe after the Philles won the 1993 WS? Check that fact, too.