The Joe.T Memorial Yankees Suck Thread for 2007

[EagerBeaver]

Rumples,

I was making a judgment only on Peralta's defensive play last night as I do not watch the Indians play on a regular basis. He missed two balls hit almost right at him, showed virtually no range going to his left, and made a grievous mental error that led to a run. He and Barfield are not communicating with each other on who covers second base on certain plays. Maybe it was a bad night but last night he was awful.

BTW, your analysis of the Yankees' bench omits the recent additions of Duncan and Giambi. Giambi obviously can't be credited to Cashman as he simply came off the DL. Duncan was a very nice call up who has 5 homers in limited action. He adds a righthanded power bat who can also play in the outfield as well as 1st base. Betemit was at first base last night.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

BTW, your analysis of the Yankees' bench omits the recent additions of Duncan and Giambi. Giambi obviously can't be credited to Cashman as he simply came off the DL. Duncan was a very nice call up who has 5 homers in limited action. He adds a righthanded power bat who can also play in the outfield as well as 1st base. Betemit was at first base last night.

Right about Duncan, though it remains to be seen whether or not he can hit decent pitching, none of which he's seen. As for Giambi, I wouldn't consider him an addition to their bench, but the regular DH.

 

[korbel]

Well, Gagne has sucked ever since he won the Cy Young a few years ago. He hadn`t pitched much until this year......he had serious injuries after winning the Cy. Prior to the beginning of the season, there was talk that he wanted to pitch in Toronto. I didn`t mind, as long as they didn`t overpay to get him. I knew of his recent arm problems & the plain fact that he`s sucked since he`s won the Cy. Well, Texas overbid Toronto & i was kind of happy that they did, to be honest. Yes, i do agree with you that Boston might have made a grievous error by obtaining him. I`m actually sorry that the Yankees didn`t get him. It looks like they might have developped a gem in Chamberlain, who pitched great tonight in setting up Mo.

If i were a Sox fan, i`d just hope that acquiring Gagne didn`t wind up blowing the Sox`s chances for the pennant. If i were Francona, i`d be very weary of sending him out there. I`d say he`s up to 2 strikes....one more & he`s out.

Hello Doc,

Yeah, you could have put any other relief pitcher in there last night and victory would have been a done deal. Did Gagne even get an out? He has a "16.20 ERA, and been raked by opposing hitters for nine hits in 19 at-bats, a .474 clip." What the FREAK! I can handle getting beat, but not pissing away a victory by using a clown. Well, it's one game.

Shit,

Korbel

 

[Joe.t]

I do agree that the signing of J.D. Drew to that large contract might have been one of Theo`s worst moves ever! Other than that trade for that over-the-hill Gagne, of course.

Will you quit trying to make me look like a fucking genius!!!!

What a fucking joke fatboy Gagne has turned out to be, he has been the ultimate choke artist and he may end up costing the Red Sox the playoffs, looks like we have found Rivera's replacement in Chamberlain who is on fire, Cashman is a genius.

Poor poor korbel, it looks like he is on the verge of a nervous breakdown because of fatboy choke artist Gagne, i feel sorry for you buddy, really i do.

Down to 4 games after tonight!!!!(my prediction).

 

[korbel]

lol

Will you quit trying to make me look like a fucking genius!!!!



Down to 4 games after tonight!!!!(my prediction).

Hello Joe. t,

You a genius??? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! With only one right prediction this year one wonders if you can even connect information at all.

You make me LAUGH...bwahahahahaha,

Korbel

 

[Joe.t]

Latest rumour

Latest rumour has it that Epstoned is so blown away by Chamberlain that he has offered to trade Ortiz, Ramirez, Okajima and Papelbon for him in a 4 for 1 deal, rumour has it that Cashman has disconnected his phone because he is sick and tired of Epstoned calling him, last words that were heard coming from Cashmans office were "for the last time no Theo!!! you are just not offering enough, you have no one but yourself to blame for the Gagne fuck up".

 

[Doc Holliday]

Did Gagne even get an out? I can handle getting beat, but not pissing away a victory by using a clown. Well, it's one game.

Gagne got one out during his stint last night. Kevin Millar (whom i used to love as a Red Sox) grounded out to Gagne in that inning. One thing about Gagne that strikes me the most: his appearance. The guy looks like a clown! A set-up man or closer has to look the part....he has to look mean, menacing....but if you look at Gagne, it's hard not to chuckle!

Anyways, picking up Gagne came with a big "If" tag. Could he show stints of being the Gagne of old who once won the Cy Young with the Dodgers? Or could he simply be another one of those overweight over-the-hill pitchers who are shadows of their ol' selves after a history of serious arm problems? If i'm Theo & i know that the Yankees will obtain him if i don't sweeten the offer & make the trade, i probably would still do what he did & obtain him....just to keep him away from the Yankees in case he still has some good pitching left. Remember, at the time, the Yankees didn't really have a quality set-up man & Gagne appeared to have been a great addition for them if he would have been traded there. But the bottom line is that as i somewhat expected, Gagne has been a big disappointment for the Red Sox so far. If i were a Red Sox fan, i just hope that he doesn't wind up costing the team more games, considering the Yankees are slowly sneaking in & just a few games away from reaching the Sox in the standings. If it happens (i predict it will) & the Sox don't even win the wild card, who knows how good the young players they traded away for Gagne will turn out? This might prove to be one of the worse trades ever made by the Red Sox in the last 10 years or so....but only time will tell.

 

[Doc Holliday]

What a fucking joke fatboy Gagne has turned out to be, he has been the ultimate choke artist and he may end up costing the Red Sox the playoffs.

Gagne is just slightly overweight (as he was with the Dodgers when he won the Cy Young) when you look closer at him. It's his large head & bushy hair that makes him look bigger than he actually is. He actually is smaller than Chamberlain, who's presently listed at 225 lbs (which i doubt is true). Let's hope Chamberlain doesn't go on too many beer drinking binges & doesn't start eating all the chocolate bars & hotdogs in sight since he'll risk missing out on what appears to be a very promising career. Just a couple of years ago, he weighed just under 300 lbs!!! Not good for a kid who wasn't even 20 at the time (actually, it's not good for anyone under the age of 90).

As for the 'choke artist' tag, i believe it's unfair to state that Gagne choked. He's simply lost his mojo, that's all. He's the shadow of what he once was as a dominating closer for the Dodgers, just a few years ago. But choke artist? No. In order to be called a 'choker', you need to have the talent & the ability to easily strikeout the opposing team's batters. In Gagne's case, it's no longer happening.

 

[Joe.t]

Where's Gagne?

Delcarmen is coming in, damn!!!!

 

[korbel]

Latest rumour has it that Epstoned is so blown away by Chamberlain that he has offered to trade Ortiz, Ramirez, Okajima and Papelbon for him in a 4 for 1 deal, rumour has it that Cashman has disconnected his phone because he is sick and tired of Epstoned calling him, last words that were heard coming from Cashmans office were "for the last time no Theo!!! you are just not offering enough, you have no one but yourself to blame for the Gagne fuck up".

Down to 4 games after tonight!!!!(my prediction).

Hello Joe. t,

Now that bit about the trade is funny. You are starting to learn from Korbie. But what's funnier is how you are WRONG AGAIN. Geeeez, how many times does a "genius" like you have to get it wrong before you see you are the one with your "LIGHTS OUT"! That's right, the Sox won with Beckett. And the Yankers still have to worry about their game tonight. So it could be even worse. Together with Matsuzaka's excellent pitching yesterday (despite Gagne and other mistakes) the pitching has been pretty solid all-around even though they lost two tough close games to the Angels. Given the schedules ahead I would much rather be in my position than yours. Maybe you should say the opposite of what you want so you can screw up to help your team...lol.

As for last night, I don't blame Francona. After a days rest and a four run lead it must have seemed like a reasonable risk to put in Gagne who should have been sharper under the circumstances. Of course it wasn't all Gagne's fault with Drew's booting the ball. But Gagne's failure to get consistent outs is glaring and extremely troubling. I would not be surpirsed to see him come in only when he would have the best possible chance against a weak batter, and he might only get used for one batter in a game if he can't prove far more effective than he has been. Otherwise he better get used to counting splinters.

Cheerios,

Korbel

 

[EagerBeaver]

Which of the following is the easiest to swallow?

(a) JD Drew's 5 year, 70 million dollar contract
(b) Kei Igawa's 5 year, 20 million dollar contract
(c) Julio Lugo's 4 year, 36 million dollar contract
(d) Kyle Farnsworth's 3 year, 17 million dollar contract
(e) Day old vomit on the men's room floor of the Molly Wee Pub in Manhattan (http://www.themollywee.com/)

 

[korbel]

Hello EB,

Which of the following is harder to swallow:

(a) Clemens million dollar a game batting practice. Actually, with 14
appearances it's 2 million...lol.

(b) A billion dollar salaried Yankers team that can't win the World Series.

(c) Being behind the Red Sox all year long.

(d) The possibility of A-Rod fleeing New York for Boston.

(e) A moldy week-old sausage and sauerkraut sub with dijon mustard
steamed between Steinboner's diarrheal butt cheeks. Damn that's disgusting...but is it worse than Clemens????

Bon appetite,

Korbel

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

If i'm Theo & i know that the Yankees will obtain him if i don't sweeten the offer & make the trade, i probably would still do what he did & obtain him....just to keep him away from the Yankees in case he still has some good pitching left.

Don't forget, also, that he was having a very good year in Texas and that the Sox gave up two players who did not figure in their future.

That said, I sure wouldn't trust him in a critical situation without a lot more proof of his capability.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Which of the following is the easiest to swallow?

(a) JD Drew's 5 year, 70 million dollar contract
(b) Kei Igawa's 5 year, 20 million dollar contract
(c) Julio Lugo's 4 year, 36 million dollar contract
(d) Kyle Farnsworth's 3 year, 17 million dollar contract
(e) Day old vomit on the men's room floor of the Molly Wee Pub in Manhattan (http://www.themollywee.com/)

Funny how you omit Damon, Pavano, Clemens, and $1,000,000,000 spent with nothing to show for it beyond division championships since the turn of the century.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

As for last night, I don't blame Francona.

Then you weren't watching the same game I was, Korbel. Of the four batters who reached against Gagne, three of them were left handed hitters. That and the fact that Gagne had been ineffective since joining the team and I remain baffled why Okajima wasn't in the game to start the inning.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Korbel,

You keep bringing up revenue and payroll but are you aware that the Red Sox actually have a higher "spendthrift percentage" than the Yankees do, at least for the 2006 season which is the most recent season for which we can calculate it?

Spendthrift percentages are determined by calculating the ratio of payroll to operating revenue for the prior year. To wit:

In 2005, the Yankees had revenues of 277 million dollars and the Red Sox had revenues of 206 million dollars. reference: Forbes Magazine http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/33/Rank_1.html

In 2006, the Yankees spent $189,639,045 million on payroll and the Red Sox spent $143,026,214 million on payroll. Reference:http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/salaries

Do the math. The Yankees spent 68.5% of their 2005 revenue on payroll in 2006. The Red Sox spent 69.4% of their 2005 revenue on payroll in 2006. Giving the Red Sox a higher spendthrift ratio.

This is no different an analysis Korbel than calculating what we spend on hobbying in relation to our salaries. If you and I both make $125,000 per year, but you spend $30,000 on hobbying annually while I only spend $25,000, who is the bigger spendthrift hobbyist?

Regarding your comments on A-Rod going to Boston, that will only happen if the Red Sox offer him as much or more than what the Yankees will offer him. And how many other major league teams will even be able to participate in that conversation?????????? Do you really need me to answer this question?

Don't let the facts get in the way of your posting,

EB

 

[Special K]

Korbel,

You keep bringing up revenue and payroll but are you aware that the Red Sox actually have a higher "spendthrift percentage" than the Yankees do, at least for the 2006 season which is the most recent season for which we can calculate it?

Spendthrift percentages are determined by calculating the ratio of payroll to operating revenue for the prior year. To wit:

In 2005, the Yankees had revenues of 277 million dollars and the Red Sox had revenues of 206 million dollars. reference: Forbes Magazine http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/33/Rank_1.html

In 2006, the Yankees spent $189,639,045 million on payroll and the Red Sox spent $143,026,214 million on payroll. Reference:http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/salaries

Do the math. The Yankees spent 68.5% of their 2005 revenue on payroll in 2006. The Red Sox spent 69.4% of their 2005 revenue on payroll in 2006. Giving the Red Sox a higher spendthrift ratio.

This is no different an analysis Korbel than calculating what we spend on hobbying in relation to our salaries. If you and I both make $125,000 per year, but you spend $30,000 on hobbying annually while I only spend $25,000, who is the bigger spendthrift hobbyist?

Regarding your comments on A-Rod going to Boston, that will only happen if the Red Sox offer him as much or more than what the Yankees will offer him. And how many other major league teams will even be able to participate in that conversation?????????? Do you really need me to answer this question?

Don't let the facts get in the way of your posting,

EB

You still didn't address the Damon, Pavano, and Clemens portion of that post!

 

[EagerBeaver]

SK-

Pavano - Clearly, a terrible signing. Whether or not the Drew signing will prove to be as bad is unknown, but more money is on the table for Drew than has been swallowed for Pavano.

I must admit that at the time Pavano was signed, although there were whispers that he was damaged goods & injury prone, did not have a good work ethic, was a pretty boy ladies man, etc. I liked the signing, mainly because in the 2003 World Series he had pitched very, very well against the Yankees in a high pressure game when I was certain he would be raked, plus he had won 18 games the year before the Yankees signed him. Obviously, in retrospect, it was one of the worst signings ever by the Yankees. Recently, Pavano was spotted in a bar in NYC with the Yankees game on a TV over his head, but he was neither watching the game nor rooting for his team. Instead, he had a bevy of models around him and was talking to them. He is now a full time hobbyist, hobbying with the Yankees money and getting laid with the Yankees money.

Damon - the Yankees got one good year out of him, and although he looked injury riddled and broken down in the first half, he appears rejuvenated of late. His batting average has crept up to about .258 after bottoming out at .235. The Yankees have rested him some and are starting to rotate him in left field, where his wet noodle arm is much better suited. I think at this time he can be a very productive 4th outfielder, not what he was signed to be of course, but not a complete zero like Pavano either.

Clemens He has been a league average or slightly better pitcher, but he has had some dominant games and has pitched his best when he has had to. Obviously he is overpaid, but it is fact that he stabilized the Yankees rotation at a time when stability was badly needed, and he was the only pitcher out there that the Yankees could get at that time without giving up Chamberlain or Hughes or Kennedy. It's also a fact that having him around to tutor the likes of Hughes and Chamberlain, possibly the two most talented 21 year old pitchers in baseball, is FUCKING PRICELESS. So I consider at least some of the money on Clemens well spent. We'll see how he produces the rest of the way - my suspicion is he will get better and could end up still with 8-10 wins and an ERA of 3.50. Which is good production even if at a very steep price.

By the ways, Clemens' .257 BAA and 1.25 WHIP are the best of the Yankees starters, not including Hughes, whose .228 BAA and 1.17 WHIP are only based on 4 starts.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

You keep bringing up revenue and payroll but are you aware that the Red Sox actually have a higher "spendthrift percentage" than the Yankees do, at least for the 2006 season which is the most recent season for which we can calculate it?

You know, Beav, you post an awful lot of stupid shit in this thread, but now you've gone over the top to posting the silliest "non-Joe" post in the hundreds of pages in these threads over the past four years.

Regarding your comments on A-Rod going to Boston, that will only happen if the Red Sox offer him as much or more than what the Yankees will offer him. And how many other major league teams will even be able to participate in that conversation?????????? Do you really need me to answer this question

First, let me say that I'm not in favor of signing A-Rod. That said, with Lowell (9), Schilling, (13), and Clement (9) all coming off the payroll, the Sox could pay A-Rod $30 M and still see their overall payroll decrease. With the infusion of young talent such as Delcarmen, Buchholz, Ellsbury, and more, the payroll could decrease further as these players replace Timlin, Pineiro, and Crisp, if traded.

Personally, I'd rather see them sign Lowell for 2008, though I suspect it might take a two year deal to get him signed.

As for others in the Pay-Rod hunt, certainly both Los Angeles teams and the Chicago Cubs could also get involved. While it might be a stretch, Seattle as well, though unlikely and even more so should the resign Ichiro.

 

[EagerBeaver]

You know, Beav, you post an awful lot of stupid shit in this thread, but now you've gone over the top to posting the silliest "non-Joe" post in the hundreds of pages in these threads over the past four years.

I posted facts. What is stupid about posting facts? Do you have a rebuttal?