rumpleforeskiin said:
If things do stay this way, the Yankees would definitely prefer this scenario than having to go to LA!
The Joe.T Memorial Yankees Suck Thread for 2007
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If things do stay this way, the Yankees would definitely prefer this scenario than having to go to LA!
Maybe yes, maybe no. Given the lack of depth of the Angels starting rotation, particularly with Escobar hurt, the Sox may opt for the shorter series, allowing the Indians to throw Sabathia and Carmona twice in 5 games.Special K said:
Hello all,
Oh how nice it is to have Manny back in the game. He really helps puts an extra charge back into the lineup with the first 4 batters slugging out 12 hits tonight. It's got to be a fearsome prospect for opposing pitchers to face Pedroia, Ramirez, Ortiz, and Lowell. With Ellsbury in the 8 spot there should be greater production continuity from front to back. The only problem will be keeping the speed and defensive skills of Crisp in the game along with that of Ellsbury and his batting productivity. It's going to be interesting to see how much time those two and Drew will get now that Manny is back.
Well, the magic number is now down to 2. With the Sox sending Beckett to the mound and the Devil Rays sending Kazmir the division race could all be over tomorrow. Oooops...well...my buddy Josey predicted this year will be another 1978. DON'T THINK SO!
Cheers Josey boy,
Korbel
Oh how nice it is to have Manny back in the game. He really helps puts an extra charge back into the lineup with the first 4 batters slugging out 12 hits tonight. It's got to be a fearsome prospect for opposing pitchers to face Pedroia, Ramirez, Ortiz, and Lowell. With Ellsbury in the 8 spot there should be greater production continuity from front to back. The only problem will be keeping the speed and defensive skills of Crisp in the game along with that of Ellsbury and his batting productivity. It's going to be interesting to see how much time those two and Drew will get now that Manny is back.
Well, the magic number is now down to 2. With the Sox sending Beckett to the mound and the Devil Rays sending Kazmir the division race could all be over tomorrow. Oooops...well...my buddy Josey predicted this year will be another 1978. DON'T THINK SO!
Cheers Josey boy,
Korbel
National League Races
While the American League playoff teams have now been decided, in the National League all 3 divisional races are still open and the wild card is wide open. The Colorado Rockies have won a franchise record 10 games in a row, and have thrust themselves into both the NL west and wild card races. The Rockies, Phillies and Padres all are fighting for the wild card, yet all 3 of those teams also can still win their division. In addition, the Cubs have only a 2 game lead on the Brewers and have not yet clinched anything.
The New York Mets, which appeared to be the most talented team in the NL most of the season, now appear to be a team in trouble. They have lost 9 of 13, are getting very erratic starting pitching, and their bullpen is failing badly. Tonight Pedro Martinez, former Red Sox ace, pitches in what will be the biggest game all year for the Mets. Will Pedro come through? The Mets are nursing a 1 game lead, and if that is lost even the wild card is no lock with the Padres and charging Rockies in the hunt.
Things may go down to the last day in the NL!!!!!!
While the American League playoff teams have now been decided, in the National League all 3 divisional races are still open and the wild card is wide open. The Colorado Rockies have won a franchise record 10 games in a row, and have thrust themselves into both the NL west and wild card races. The Rockies, Phillies and Padres all are fighting for the wild card, yet all 3 of those teams also can still win their division. In addition, the Cubs have only a 2 game lead on the Brewers and have not yet clinched anything.
The New York Mets, which appeared to be the most talented team in the NL most of the season, now appear to be a team in trouble. They have lost 9 of 13, are getting very erratic starting pitching, and their bullpen is failing badly. Tonight Pedro Martinez, former Red Sox ace, pitches in what will be the biggest game all year for the Mets. Will Pedro come through? The Mets are nursing a 1 game lead, and if that is lost even the wild card is no lock with the Padres and charging Rockies in the hunt.
Things may go down to the last day in the NL!!!!!!
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The schedule seems to favor the Mets and Phillies, who finish at home with the Marlins and Nationals, respectively. San Diego wraps up in Milwaukee, Colorado at home against Arizona.EagerBeaver said:
At this point, the Sox and Indians are tied. Having beaten the Tribe in the season series, the Sox would get the choice of ALDS schedule. The shorter schedule would force the two teams to use four pitchers, the longer one three. At this point, I have no idea which schedule the Sox would favor; there's no doubt that the Yankees, who will have no say in the matter, would prefer the shorter schedule, as the longer one would allow the Indians to get four starts from Carmona and Sabathia.
Damon has been Red Hot and now is only .001 points behind Crisp and they way that he has been swinging the bat lately he should pass Crisp tonight, its going to be a awesome 3 hours with Caress thanks to my very good delusional sucker err!!!! I mean friend rumples and his delusional sidekick(Korbel).
Toodles.
Toodles.
.001 is .001 more than enough, you fucking moron. Unfortunately, the mired in second place Spankees probably don't have the guts to send Damon out against Scott Kazmir.
I would hope not, Johnny needs a good day off after collecting 8 hits in two games.rumpleforeskiin said:
Four Days Of NL Tiebreaker Games Possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/09/27/playoff.tie.ap/index.html
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/09/27/playoff.tie.ap/index.html
There any number of ways to measure offensive performance, all imperfect. To wit:
Batting average simply measures the percentage of at bats that are hits. It ignores power and plate discipline.
On Base percentage: this simply measures a player's ability to reach base, again ignoring power.
Home Runs: Totally one dimensional, ignoring everything but a player's ability to hit the ball out of the park.
RBI: Perhaps the most useless of all offensive statistics. RBI is totally dependent upon the ability to reach base of the players in front of a hitter. Two players with similar ability will drive in a widely different number of runs, one hitting sixth behind low OBP power hitters, the other behind high OBP singles hitters.
Runs: Also quite useless as it is largely dependent upon the ability of the players hitting behind you.
Slugging average: The sum of total bases divided by plate appearances. While a better measure of power than HRs, it also ignores a player's ability to reach base.
OPS: The sum of on-base percentage and slugging average. This is probably the best of the stats as it takes everything into consideration, though, without weighting one or the other, it, too, is less than perfect. Many modern analysts, while recognizing the imperfection of OPS, still cite it often as the best indicator of overall offensive performance.
Looking at the all-time career leaders, it's hard to argue with OPS:
1. Babe Ruth
2. Ted Williams
3. Lou Gehrig
4. Barry Bonds
5. Albert Pujols
6. Jimmie Foxx
7. Hank Greenberg
8. Todd Helton
9. Rogers Hornsby
10. Manny Ramirez
(Note that there are no dead-ball era players in this list. Such players as Cobb, Wagner, Brouthers, etc. can't really be measured on the same scale as modern era players.)
Here are the current leaders in the American League for 2007:
1. David Ortiz 1.059
2. Alex Rodriguez 1.055
3. Magglio Ordonez 1.022
4. Carlos Pena 1.021
5. Jorge Posada .967
Big Papi, the best hitter in the American League and having his best year yet, has increased his OPS every year since 2001.
Batting average simply measures the percentage of at bats that are hits. It ignores power and plate discipline.
On Base percentage: this simply measures a player's ability to reach base, again ignoring power.
Home Runs: Totally one dimensional, ignoring everything but a player's ability to hit the ball out of the park.
RBI: Perhaps the most useless of all offensive statistics. RBI is totally dependent upon the ability to reach base of the players in front of a hitter. Two players with similar ability will drive in a widely different number of runs, one hitting sixth behind low OBP power hitters, the other behind high OBP singles hitters.
Runs: Also quite useless as it is largely dependent upon the ability of the players hitting behind you.
Slugging average: The sum of total bases divided by plate appearances. While a better measure of power than HRs, it also ignores a player's ability to reach base.
OPS: The sum of on-base percentage and slugging average. This is probably the best of the stats as it takes everything into consideration, though, without weighting one or the other, it, too, is less than perfect. Many modern analysts, while recognizing the imperfection of OPS, still cite it often as the best indicator of overall offensive performance.
Looking at the all-time career leaders, it's hard to argue with OPS:
1. Babe Ruth
2. Ted Williams
3. Lou Gehrig
4. Barry Bonds
5. Albert Pujols
6. Jimmie Foxx
7. Hank Greenberg
8. Todd Helton
9. Rogers Hornsby
10. Manny Ramirez
(Note that there are no dead-ball era players in this list. Such players as Cobb, Wagner, Brouthers, etc. can't really be measured on the same scale as modern era players.)
Here are the current leaders in the American League for 2007:
1. David Ortiz 1.059
2. Alex Rodriguez 1.055
3. Magglio Ordonez 1.022
4. Carlos Pena 1.021
5. Jorge Posada .967
Big Papi, the best hitter in the American League and having his best year yet, has increased his OPS every year since 2001.
Damon passes Crisp and is now ahead.
Good afternoon my dear rumples and korbel, I hope you guys are having a good day.
Good afternoon my dear rumples and korbel, I hope you guys are having a good day.
Just fine and dandy, Joe. First place and looking forward to the playoffs. Must say that I wouldn't be looking forward to them if I rooted for a team with just two guys in the bullpen and a questionable starting rotation. After Mo and Joba, Joe has absolutely nobody he can trust the ball with.
Got a job for you, Joe. You need to hustle down to wherever the Spankees are playing, however briefly, next week, hire a hypnotist, and have him sit down with Pay-Rod so as to get him thinking, "It's not October. It's not October. It's not October." What's the record for Most Consecutive Octobers Sucking?
Got a job for you, Joe. You need to hustle down to wherever the Spankees are playing, however briefly, next week, hire a hypnotist, and have him sit down with Pay-Rod so as to get him thinking, "It's not October. It's not October. It's not October." What's the record for Most Consecutive Octobers Sucking?
Hey Guys,
IT'S OVER!!!
Matsuzaka pitched an excellent game to win as the Sox did their part. On the other side...hach...hack...hack...Rivera blew a 3 run lead, then the Yankers failed to score with the bases loaded and 1 out in the 10th. Up comes the Orioles, and with 2 outs in their part of the 10th with the bases loaded the Yankers play their favorite scene since 2000 and...hack...CHOKE!
NO Josey...it sure ain't 1978 my little deluded pal. Na na...na na na na na...hey hey Hench...GOODBYE! Thanks for blowing it.
Big JUICY Kisses,
Korbel
PS
How sad Josey that all you can cling to Damon. So WHAT do you think of Hench NOW...bwahahahahahahahahaha!
IT'S OVER!!!
Matsuzaka pitched an excellent game to win as the Sox did their part. On the other side...hach...hack...hack...Rivera blew a 3 run lead, then the Yankers failed to score with the bases loaded and 1 out in the 10th. Up comes the Orioles, and with 2 outs in their part of the 10th with the bases loaded the Yankers play their favorite scene since 2000 and...hack...CHOKE!
NO Josey...it sure ain't 1978 my little deluded pal. Na na...na na na na na...hey hey Hench...GOODBYE! Thanks for blowing it.
Big JUICY Kisses,
Korbel
PS
How sad Josey that all you can cling to Damon. So WHAT do you think of Hench NOW...bwahahahahahahahahaha!
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Just watched the end of the Yankees pennant drive and how sweet it was. Mariano Rivera blows a save allowing three runs in the ninth. Melvin Mora ends the game with a bases loaded bunt single while the Yankees slept.
How'd you like to go into the playoffs with the following:
SP1 - Chien Ming Wang
SP2 - Andy Pettitte
SP3 - Um, Dunno
SP4 - Um, Dunno
Closer - Mariano Rivera
Set-Up - Joba Chamberlain
RP - Um, Dunno
RP - Um, Dunno
RP - Um, Dunno
RP - Um, Dunno.
How'd you like to go into the playoffs with the following:
SP1 - Chien Ming Wang
SP2 - Andy Pettitte
SP3 - Um, Dunno
SP4 - Um, Dunno
Closer - Mariano Rivera
Set-Up - Joba Chamberlain
RP - Um, Dunno
RP - Um, Dunno
RP - Um, Dunno
RP - Um, Dunno.
Hey Josey,
I still think the Yankmes will have a tough time meeting your prediction deadline to be in first place on September 16. It really doesn't look too good for you. But don't give up hope my silly Little Wizard. Bwahahahahaha!!!!!
Too da loo,
Korbel
PS
Geeeeeez...did Femaleluver2 fall into a hole or something. Speak buddy.
I still think the Yankmes will have a tough time meeting your prediction deadline to be in first place on September 16. It really doesn't look too good for you. But don't give up hope my silly Little Wizard. Bwahahahahaha!!!!!
Too da loo,
Korbel
PS
Geeeeeez...did Femaleluver2 fall into a hole or something. Speak buddy.
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I think he's in training for the ALDS. His Yankees need all the bullpen help they can get and he's preparing to answer the call.Korbel said:
Imagine giving the ball in extra innings of a critical game to Edwar Ramirez and his 8.38 ERA. Not a pretty thought.
Imagine giving the ball in extra innings of a critical game to Luis Vizcaino and his 11.57 September ERA. Not a pretty thought.
Imagine giving the ball in extra innings of a critical game to Kyle Farnsworth and his 7.50 September ERA. Not a pretty thought.
Imagine giving the ball in extra innings of a critical game to Brian Bruney and his 21.50 September ERA. Not a pretty thought.
Damn. I think Kei Igawa is going to make the post-season roster. The Yanks have exactly 4 solid pitchers for their post-season roster.
Pettitte, Wang, Rivera, and Chamberlain.
Gimpy Clemens? ROFLMAO
the corpse of Mike Mussina? ROFLMAO
Rumples, if anybody read this thread from April until now, and read your posts seriously, they would not understand how the Yankees are even in the playoffs now and not in last place. First, although you are probably right that Pettite and Wang were the only consistent and durable starters and Chamberlain and Rivera the only consistent relievers in the second half, the Yankees have the best record in baseball since June 1 and they went 6-0 against Cleveland and 10-8 against the Red Sox - the most likely playoff opponents, assuming the Sox advance - with that team. Although the Yankees did not face CC Sabathia this year, Sabathia is 1-7 against the Yankees in his career. The Yankees also set major league records with 200 plus homers for the 8th straight season and 90 plus wins for 7 straight seasons, only team to do it since 1958.
Clemens has not been durable, but he has been effective especially in big games this season. Phil Hughes in his last 5 starts did not give up over 3 earned runs, pitched to an ERA just over 3, and ended the season 5-3 with a 4.46 ERA, just under the 4.47 league average. Those two are probably slotted for the #3 and #4 spots in the playoff rotation. If Clemens can't go, Mussina will be used in one of those spots, and it's true that you don't know what you will get out of him as he was alternately good and bad recently.
In the bullpen the Yankees have a young guy by the name of Ohlendorf who came over from the Diamondbacks in the RJ trade. He is a hard thrower who has pitched well. He may be on the postseason roster. As far as Vizcaino and Farnsworth, they did not have good Septembers but they are both seasoned veterans and perhaps with a little rest and they will pick up their games in the playoffs. There are a few other guys like Villone, who will get taken over Igawa, that are in the mix.
One guy the Red Sox won't have is Clay Buchholz - shut down with "fatigued shoulder", which nobody here is talking about. How does that happen when you pitch 12 innings in a month- a 9 inning no hitter and a 3 inning relief appearance 10 days later? Sounds to me like he got hurt pitching that 115 pitch no hitter. What was lost in all of the Buchholz euphoria are two things: (1) unlike Hughes and Chamberlain who both have free and easy pitching deliveries, the gangly Buchholz has a violent delivery with a lot of jerks; (2) both Hughes and Chamberlain, though 21, have the bodies of men. Buchholz, at 23, is rail thin at 6'5", and when I see guys like that I always think they are going to be a durability question mark unless they put on weight. I think it's pretty clear he is a victim of his own success and that no hitter may have been the cause of his arm problems. There is no question about his talent, but there is a question about whether he will ever get to use it, a la Mark Prior.
Clemens has not been durable, but he has been effective especially in big games this season. Phil Hughes in his last 5 starts did not give up over 3 earned runs, pitched to an ERA just over 3, and ended the season 5-3 with a 4.46 ERA, just under the 4.47 league average. Those two are probably slotted for the #3 and #4 spots in the playoff rotation. If Clemens can't go, Mussina will be used in one of those spots, and it's true that you don't know what you will get out of him as he was alternately good and bad recently.
In the bullpen the Yankees have a young guy by the name of Ohlendorf who came over from the Diamondbacks in the RJ trade. He is a hard thrower who has pitched well. He may be on the postseason roster. As far as Vizcaino and Farnsworth, they did not have good Septembers but they are both seasoned veterans and perhaps with a little rest and they will pick up their games in the playoffs. There are a few other guys like Villone, who will get taken over Igawa, that are in the mix.
One guy the Red Sox won't have is Clay Buchholz - shut down with "fatigued shoulder", which nobody here is talking about. How does that happen when you pitch 12 innings in a month- a 9 inning no hitter and a 3 inning relief appearance 10 days later? Sounds to me like he got hurt pitching that 115 pitch no hitter. What was lost in all of the Buchholz euphoria are two things: (1) unlike Hughes and Chamberlain who both have free and easy pitching deliveries, the gangly Buchholz has a violent delivery with a lot of jerks; (2) both Hughes and Chamberlain, though 21, have the bodies of men. Buchholz, at 23, is rail thin at 6'5", and when I see guys like that I always think they are going to be a durability question mark unless they put on weight. I think it's pretty clear he is a victim of his own success and that no hitter may have been the cause of his arm problems. There is no question about his talent, but there is a question about whether he will ever get to use it, a la Mark Prior.
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rumpleforeskiin said:
Hey dipstick guess what, the hottest pitcher in baseball a well rested Chamberlain was used for the first time on consecutive days and he looked fabulous as usual and he is ready.
This is how I see the series against Cleveland who the Yankees own, check out this realistic scenario.
-Wang, Chamberlain and Rivera combine on a awesome performance and take game 1.
-Clemens(who pitches well in critical games), Chamberlain and Rivera combine on another awesome performance and take game 2.
-Pettitte, Chamberlain and Rivera combine on the Yankees third awesome performance and take game 3 for the sweep.
Meanwhile the Red Sox are in dire straights with the bullpen being a huge question mark of late, Okajima has hit a wall and is not the same pitcher that he was at the beginning of the year, Gagne is a bust and cannot be trusted, Papelbon has been average lately, boy I sure hope that 300 year old Timlin picks up the slack, no bullpen = early exit from the post season.
Korbel- Hench picked the Yankees to win the world series and not the division title, rumples Aunt Gertrude and her son Derek are going to very happy this year.
toodles my delusional buddy.
JT,
I think it will be Wang (game 1), Pettite (game 2), Clemens (game 3), Hughes (game 4 - if necessary). Mussina will be designated long relief/emergency starter and I think Ian Kennedy will make the postseason roster as a backup emergency starter/long reliever. His 1.89 ERA cannot be ignored, and I was very impressed with him. As I said above I think Ohlendorf is also going to make the playoff roster. He would make it if I was managing the team, anyway.
I think it will be Wang (game 1), Pettite (game 2), Clemens (game 3), Hughes (game 4 - if necessary). Mussina will be designated long relief/emergency starter and I think Ian Kennedy will make the postseason roster as a backup emergency starter/long reliever. His 1.89 ERA cannot be ignored, and I was very impressed with him. As I said above I think Ohlendorf is also going to make the playoff roster. He would make it if I was managing the team, anyway.
I'll respond to Beav, but not to Joe as his post is so fucking moronic as to not warrant a reply.
The Yankees are where they are because of the offense. Offenses are built on beating up on bad pitching and are usually controlled in the post-season. A peek at history shows that post-season success is built on power pitching, strong relief and defense. The Yankees have no power pitching until the 8th inning. Their top two pitchers are solid number 2 guys. Roger Clemens is a crap shoot at best, a 45 year old man with a balky hammy. Mussina is toast. Hughes is their wild card. He's pitched well of late, though against weak sisters. The bullpen beyond the front two is virtually useless. Vizcaino, who had a great second half until he broke down, has a balky shoulder and due to the fact that they have no one else has been forced into action due to the lack of alternatives. Bruney pitched well until burned out. Farnsworth is a fabulous pitcher in low leverage situations; he sucks under even the slightest pressure.
The Sox have two front line starters in Beckett and Schilling, the best post-season pitcher since the second world war and who has been fabulous 3.34/1.06 since returning from injury. While Dice-K was encouraging last night and has been, historically, a huge big game pitcher, he, like Wakefield, is certainly a question mark. That said, Dice-K is certainly a better choice than the corpse of Mike Mussina or the gimpy Clemens.
The Yankees are where they are because of the offense. Offenses are built on beating up on bad pitching and are usually controlled in the post-season. A peek at history shows that post-season success is built on power pitching, strong relief and defense. The Yankees have no power pitching until the 8th inning. Their top two pitchers are solid number 2 guys. Roger Clemens is a crap shoot at best, a 45 year old man with a balky hammy. Mussina is toast. Hughes is their wild card. He's pitched well of late, though against weak sisters. The bullpen beyond the front two is virtually useless. Vizcaino, who had a great second half until he broke down, has a balky shoulder and due to the fact that they have no one else has been forced into action due to the lack of alternatives. Bruney pitched well until burned out. Farnsworth is a fabulous pitcher in low leverage situations; he sucks under even the slightest pressure.
The Sox have two front line starters in Beckett and Schilling, the best post-season pitcher since the second world war and who has been fabulous 3.34/1.06 since returning from injury. While Dice-K was encouraging last night and has been, historically, a huge big game pitcher, he, like Wakefield, is certainly a question mark. That said, Dice-K is certainly a better choice than the corpse of Mike Mussina or the gimpy Clemens.
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