The Joe.T Memorial Yankees Suck Thread for 2007

[rumpleforeskiin]

JT,

I think it will be Wang (game 1), Pettite (game 2), Clemens (game 3), Hughes (game 4 - if necessary). Mussina will be designated long relief/emergency starter and I think Ian Kennedy will make the postseason roster as a backup emergency starter/long reliever. His 1.89 ERA cannot be ignored, and I was very impressed with him. As I said above I think Ohlendorf is also going to make the playoff roster. He would make it if I was managing the team, anyway.

Boy, Ohlendorf would sure be a sign of desperation. He'd probably be the first guy in MLB history to make a post-season roster with less than 5 innings of MLB experience. Ian Kennedy is injured. I might add that it would be quite foolish and yet another sign of desperation to add a rookie pitcher who hasn't pitched in three weeks to the post-season roster.

The way it looks to me is:
Game 1 - Wang vs. Sabathia advantage Cleveland
Game 2 - Pettitte vs. Carmona advantage Cleveland
Game 3 - Hughes or Igawa or Ford vs Westbrook advantage Even
Game 4 - Mussina or Lopat vs Sabathia advantage Cleveland
Game 5 - Wang vs Carmona advantage Cleveland

 

[EagerBeaver]

Rumples,

Hughes pitched very well in his last start against the Indians. That was the game where he and Joba combined on 10 strikeouts. I will agree with you that the Yankees do not have the depth of pitching that they had on some of their World Series champion teams, but they do have some very good frontline guys in the rotation and in the bullpen, and I am hoping that between the offense which has shown the ability to wear out if not bomb good pitching, and continued good pitching from the top 3 starters and the top few relief guys, they can succeed. If I am not mistaken in the 1996 playoffs the Yankees rode Rivera and Wettleland in the last 3 innings of all crucial games, and may have to do the same now with Chamberlain and Rivera. Also, Chamberlain is better now than Rivera was then and Rivera now is about the same as Wetteland was then.

Kennedy reportedly had a minor back stiffness which he is over, but if he does not pitch this weekend it will be a sign he is not over it.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Beav,

The Yankees have two "number 2" pitchers, Wang and Pettitte. Neither was among the top 10 in ERA this season. Beyond that, they have only the crap shoot Mr. Hughes. Yes, Hughes pitched well against Cleveland. Shortly thereafter he was beaten up by Detroit and Los Anaheim. Since then, he's faced only the weak sisters of the league, Tampa, Seattle, a depleted Toronto, and Baltimore. Well, OK, Tampa's a good hitting team. He faced them twice and pitched well once. His ERA is a middling 4.46.

Kennedy hasn't pitched since September 13 and won't pitch this weekend. He is not healthy.

As for 1996, your memory fails. Mine does, too, but a bit of research shows:
Wetteland 5 games, 4.3 innings
Rivera 4 games, 5.6 innings
Nelson 3 games, 4.3 innings
Boehringer 2 games, 5 innings
Weathers 3 games, 3 innings
Lloyd 4 games, 2.7 innings

Total non-Wettland/Rivera innings - 15 innings. The thought of the Yankees giving 15 innings to Bruney, Farnsworth, Ramirez, Britton, Veras, Vizcaino and Villone has the Indians drooling.

 

[korbel]

Rivera???????????????

Rumples,

Hughes pitched very well in his last start against the Indians. That was the game where he and Joba combined on 10 strikeouts. I will agree with you that the Yankees do not have the depth of pitching that they had on some of their World Series champion teams, but they do have some very good frontline guys in the rotation and in the bullpen, and I am hoping that between the offense which has shown the ability to wear out if not bomb good pitching, and continued good pitching from the top 3 starters and the top few relief guys, they can succeed. If I am not mistaken in the 1996 playoffs the Yankees rode Rivera and Wettleland in the last 3 innings of all crucial games, and may have to do the same now with Chamberlain and Rivera. Also, Chamberlain is better now than Rivera was then and Rivera now is about the same as Wetteland was then.

Hello EB,

If Rivera and Chamberlain are the key duo to holding a game then the Yankers are in a lot of trouble. Rivera isn't "over", but he has been quite sloppy of late and last night's game showed just how poor he can be when he is "off". I have no questions about Chamberlain who seems to be terrific. But to say Chamberlain is "better" is quite an understatement. Rivera better spend his off time sleeping for rest and take adrenalin shots when he wakes because if loading the bases and giving up 3 runs in the 9th at the height of a division race is an indication of his current skill level...maybe he is "over". I actually like the guy, but his game should be very troubling to Yanker fans. I would still take him over Gagne...no brainer...but not by nearly as much as I would have in the past.

Choke,

Korbel

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Korbel,
I'd have no fear myself going into the post-season with Chamberlain and Rivera as my ninth inning guys. Despite the fact that Rivera is no longer an elite closer, he's still mid-range or better. The problem the Yankee have is that they have absolutely no other reliever they can trust. Not one other man in the Yankee pen would even draw consideration for post-season duty by the Red Sox.

 

[EagerBeaver]

As for 1996, your memory fails. Mine does, too, but a bit of research shows:
Wetteland 5 games, 4.3 innings
Rivera 4 games, 5.6 innings
Nelson 3 games, 4.3 innings
Boehringer 2 games, 5 innings
Weathers 3 games, 3 innings
Lloyd 4 games, 2.7 innings

Total non-Wettland/Rivera innings - 15 innings.

Is this the initial 5 game series or total postseason statistics? My recollection is the Yankees played Texas in the 1996 divisional series and beat them in 4 games. The Yankees did not use all those bullpen innings in a 4 game series. At most they may need to use 3-5 non Chamberlain/Rivera bullpen innings in a 5 game series.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Is this the initial 5 game series or total postseason statistics? My recollection is the Yankees played Texas in the 1996 divisional series and beat them in 4 games. The Yankees did not use all those bullpen innings in a 4 game series. At most they may need to use 3-5 non Chamberlain/Rivera bullpen innings in a 5 game series.

This is the World Series, Beav.

The division series went 4 games:
Weathers 2 g, 5 ip
Rivera 2 g, 4.67 ip
Wetteland 3 g, 4 ip
Nelson 2 g, 3.7 ip
Boehringer 2 g 1.3 ip
Lloyd 2 g, 1 ip

Total non-Wetteland-Rivera innings 11 ip, or 3.75 per game. Starters averaged less than 5 ip.

ALCS went 5 games:
Weathers 2 g, 3 ip
Nelson 2 g, 2.33 ip
Lloyd 2 g 1.67 ip

Total non-Wetteland-Rivera innings 7, or 1.4 per game

By the way, of the 15 post-season games the Yankees played, Rivera appeared in 9, Wetteland 12. No way Rivera stands up to that sort of abuse this year; no way they'll let Joba work that hard.

It's pretty clear that Torre worked his whole bullpen, a much, much better one than he has currently, really hard.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Mets Update

In a game the Mets must win to stay alive, John Maine is pitching the game of his life. He has a no hitter with 13 strikeouts through 7 innings. With the Mets bullpen's main ingredient these days being gasoline, I think Randolph may have to leave Maine in although blowing an 11-0 lead does seem unthinkable. Completion of the no hitter could possibly inject much needed life into this team.

 

[EagerBeaver]

No hitter broken up on the cheapest infield hit I have ever seen, Maine 7.2 innings, 1 hit, 14 Ks

 

[korbel]

Crisp V Demon

Hello Rumples and Joe .t,

Wow, Here we go. Isn't this FUN! Your stomachs must feel sooooooo darn tight...lol. Hey, just glad it isn't me. With one game left for each team, may the best man (RED SOX FAN) win. I think 1 hit by Coco will do it unless "Traitor Damon" can get 3 or 4.

Crisp .271347
Demon .269811
difference .001536

Good luck,

Korbel

 

[Special K]

Since neither team has anything left to play for I'm sure both will be resting the majority of their regulars today.

 

[Joe.t]

Hello Rumples and Joe .t,

Wow, Here we go. Isn't this FUN! Your stomachs must feel sooooooo darn tight...lol. Hey, just glad it isn't me. With one game left for each team, may the best man (RED SOX FAN) win. I think 1 hit by Coco will do it unless "Traitor Damon" can get 3 or 4.

Crisp .271347
Demon .269811
difference .001536

Good luck,

Korbel

Care to tell me where you are getting these stats oh delusional great one, I just checked MLB.com and it has both of them at .270 which of course will change today when Crisp goes 0-4 while Damon will likely have the day off as Baltimore has a Lefty pitching for them today, please Korbel put down the glue bottle as it is ruining your thinking and we all know how bad it is already.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Strangely enough, Joe is correct about both Crisp and Demon at .270.

I would expect that both Damon and Crisp will get 2-3 plate appearances today. Crisp had four days off with illness before coming back last night. torre rested half of his lineup yesterday; he'll probably rest the other half today, before heading off to Cleveland to get stomped by the Tribe. I'd recommend that the Yankees visit the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame while out by the lake. It's likely to be the only pleasure they'll get there.

By the way, the Red Sox, with the best record in the AL, chose the 8 day schedule, meaning they'll be able to go with 3 starters on 4 days rest. The Yankees will, therefore, only see Carmona or Sabathia in three of the possible five games.

 

[korbel]

Care to tell me where you are getting these stats oh delusional great one, I just checked MLB.com and it has both of them at .270 which of course will change today when Crisp goes 0-4 while Damon will likely have the day off as Baltimore has a Lefty pitching for them today, please Korbel put down the glue bottle as it is ruining your thinking and we all know how bad it is already.

Hello Josey and Rumples,

It's this way boys. Traitor Damon did not play last night, while Crisp went 2-4. Given the date of the last update, and the fact that updating stats can take a until early the next day, I added in Crisp's 2-4 into his total you see below. I have found that it often takes until the middle of the next day to get stats completely updated. That's why I added in the stats for Crisp.
In any case, it's your bet. I SURE AIN'T WORRIED ABOUT IT...LOL.

Damon: 143 Hits, 530 AB 0.26981132075471698113207547169811
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player?statsId=5484

Crisp: 141 Hits, 523 AB 0.26959847036328871892925430210325 Updated???
143 Hits, 527 AB 0.27134724857685009487666034155598
2-4 Saturday added.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player?statsId=6983

Regards,

Korbel

 

[korbel]

Damon Versus Crisp

Hello Rumples and Josey,

Damon is out of the game and done for the regular season at 144 Hits, 533 AB, 0.27016885553470919324577861163227. Now it's up to crisp. Will Rumples lose on the last day if YOUR stats are correct? Using the stats for Coco from the Red Sox homepage, he is currently 0-2 today making it 141 Hits, 525 AB, 0.26857142857142857142857142857143

UH OH!!! Coco needs 2 straight hits to win.

UPDATE: Crisp is 0-3. Currently 141 Hits, 526 AB, 0.26806083650190114068441064638783

SORRY Rumples.

Damn,

Korbel

 

[EagerBeaver]

Guys,

It's rather unbelievable but it is looking like the Mets will become the first team in major league history to blow a 7 game lead with 17 games to play and miss the playoffs altogether. It's pretty sad. I suspect Willie Randolph will be fired, and take most of the blame. The truth be told though there is a major dog on the Mets team and his name is Jose Reyes. He absolutely cannot handle the spotlight of being a major league star in New York City. He is a dog: doesn't hustle and when he is in a slump his attitude changes badly, can't handle adversity. The Mets should trade him now while his value is still mildly high. In the beginning of the year there was talk about Reyes being the best player in the majors. The truth is that he is the 3rd best shortstop in the NL East - behind Hanley Ramirez and Jimmy Rollins. Reyes and his pathetic play over the last 2 months, and the horrid bullpen, are the main reasons why the Mets are in this dire situation right now.

"Tis better to have made the playoffs and sucked, then not to have made them at all" - EagerBeaver

 

[korbel]

Guys,

"Tis better to have made the playoffs and sucked, then not to have made them at all" - EagerBeaver

Hello EB,

C'mon...you know the Yankers use that one...lol.

Cheers,

Korbel

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Hello Rumples and Josey,

Damon is out of the game and done for the regular season at 144 Hits, 533 AB, 0.27016885553470919324577861163227. Now it's up to crisp. Will Rumples lose on the last day if YOUR stats are correct? Using the stats for Coco from the Red Sox homepage, he is currently 0-2 today making it 141 Hits, 525 AB, 0.26857142857142857142857142857143

UH OH!!! Coco needs 2 straight hits to win.

UPDATE: Crisp is 0-3. Currently 141 Hits, 526 AB, 0.26806083650190114068441064638783

SORRY Rumples.

It's only money, Korbie. You can't buy the best record in baseball with money. Just ask Brian Cashman.

 

[Joe.t]

Hello rumples, how ya doin pal of mine.

By the way I will be in the great city of Montreal this Saturday(because I am horny as hell) so would it be possible for me to collect my winnings on Saturday my good and gracious man?

Now its time to wait and see if Hench is as smart as I am.

 

[korbel]

Hello rumples, how ya doin pal of mine.

By the way I will be in the great city of Montreal this Saturday(because I am horny as hell) so would it be possible for me to collect my winnings on Saturday my good and gracious man?

Now its time to wait and see if Hench is as smart as I am.

Hello Josey,

Why go to Montreal when you will never get as much pleasure loving an SP as you obviously love yourself.

Tickles,

Korbel