The MERB culture & why I am leaving

[CLOUD 500]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Never got ripped off once in this fashion, in more years than you have spent at this. I know how to communicate and more importantly I have a radar that goes off before I ever meet someone who could potentially rip me off.

I earn a living representing people who get ripped off in real life so I have a pretty good idea of how this works. People who have lost their life savings to a scam, not $40 to a crack whore who ran out to get her next fix before you got your blow job.

My post was in no way a personal attack and was meant to illustrate the absurdity of your position. Most people found it funny because they know your position is absurd in many if not most market encounters. Business is simply not done this way as a matter of course by the HDH level agencies and indies and for the most part at the MDH level. We also now see that you are not the only one in this thread with a thin skin.

Bottom line if you are targeting street trash your approach might be advisable. With any of the market price agencies or indies and up you immediately cast yourself as a cheap ass or as a suspicious person and start the session on an immediate negative note. The vast majority of the readers on this board know this without me having to say it. Of course you also overlook that many agency girls are trained to collect the basic donation up front.

And neither do you know what you are talking about. You analysis is based on Merb culture, Merb agencies and Merb SPs. My post I put in response to you is a true story. It is events that a stripper I had take out with did. She ripped of a few clients that way. My position is based on strippers and Annonces123 girls. This is a underground market with no rules. Only the law of the street prevails. One has to be street smart. My post more directed at people who still want to book Annonces123 girls. Girls who scam clients do not do it at random. They do it selectively. They pick naive gullible morons. What you term as cheap ass on the flip side of the coin I term as sucker.

Other thing is that I do not deal with Merb agencies. The last time I booked a SP was something in winter of 2012. Close to two years. Merb agencies got reviews and a rep to back them up much like going into a major department store. But booking strippers and annonces123 girls is like going to the black market. I know the risks involved when doing it. In the seven years I been having take out with strippers only two have tried to scam me. The one thing I noticed is that the girls who provided me honest service NEVER asked to be paid upfront. The two girls who tried to scam me asked to be paid upfront. And I remember one stripper telling me that whenever a girl asks to be paid upfront it usually means she is planning something bad.

Now remember I am not talking about Merb agencies or Merb SPs. But even then there are bait and switch agencies advertizing here. Now this guy Baggynuts claims that Jenni ran off with his money. I dunno if that is true and there are many questionable content to his story. But let us assume it was true imagine a girl after two years of repeat business runs off with your money. What guarantee do you have? Absolutely none. There are no rules. Consider the absurdity of paying upfront to someone you do not even know. As for Merb agencies when I did book a SP I remember leaving the donation on a table. I had no issue with that because I know the agency is well reviewed and has a rep. When dealing with strippers sorry I got to protect my own interests as I got no trust in them I believe they are fully capable of ripping off anyone if the opportunity arose.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I agree with you except that there are rip offs in the market agency sector (see the bait and switch sticky thread). Many of those posts are to the effect that because the poster booked with a MERB advertiser, they thought a rip off was impossible, and how dare MERB let them advertise here. In other words, they thought there was no risk at all, simply because they booked with a provider that advertised on MERB. Which is a very naive way for any hobbyist to think or operate, but the dozens of posts to this effect in that thread and elsewhere attest to the fact that people who thought they were not taking a risk found out otherwise.

The radar I am talking about is mostly using Tineye/Google image searches and the like to smoke out such scenarios. But a few times, I talked on the phone to an Indy who was above the CL type or Canadian equivalent you are talking about, and called it off due to a bad vibe. I then read reviews later on that confirmed the bad vibe that I had.

Exactly and these are not the only way to screen potential scam artists.

I would say half the time when the donation is left up front, I have to remind the girl to take it at the end.

This makes the whole difference. These girls are honest girls. They are not there to scam their clients. But believe me if you were with a con artist first thing she will do is collect the money upfront.

 

[jeff jones]

That maybe the case but unfortunately the lady may treat you like nothing more then a walking wallet to take away from. I would agree with you but this is based on Merb agencies and Merb SPs. When dealing with Annonces123 girls and strippers there are no rules. The rules of the street apply. These girls do not give a rats ass about you except your money neither do they care about repeat business. There are many bad apples. I know the risks I am talking when having take out with strippers and one must practice being street smart. We are dealing with the underground world. I only say this to other members who are hell bent on booking Annonces123 girls. You and I already know on the amount of bait and switch on those sites. There are even a few bait and switch advertisers on Merb. Pictures not real, etc.. But you know what I guess this is how scam artists continue to operate because there are always suckers out there putting their trust in them.

Remember this rule of thumb. Whenever a strippers asks to pay upfront it usually means she is planning something bad. The very few times I booked a Merb agency as I knew the agency is well reviewed I had no hesitation to pay upfront but the funny thing is the girls never asked for it upfront. I left the donation on a table and she never even counted it till the end. See the difference here. Body language and actions will show whether the girl is planning to scam you or not. What I say is out of Merb culture. In Merb culture the game is different.

Cloud,

I am not judging you or your approach as to how you handle things with strippers, all i am doing is basing what i say on personal experience. I have picked up all kinds of strippers in the last 6 to 8 years. Now the difference with you and i is, i rarely leave the club with them at the end of the night. I do on occasion but not often. For the most part i set up dates for the following night with agreed upon services. Now i would never pre pay a girl at the strip club and take her word that she is going to show up but if i do leave the club with the stripper i put the money on the counter as soon as we get back to the room. If it is a pre arranged date where they are coming by the next night then i do what i do with any escort and have the money in an envelope on the counter. I have many repeat dates with strippers and i have never run into a problem doing it my way. I am not saying i won't someday, anything is possible but if a stripper gives me bad vibes at the club that they maybe a con artist, i simply move on to a different dancer and try to avoid putting myself in a bad situation.

JJ

 

[smuler]

I have been suspended on this board multiple times

But, you are still behind the all time leader !

https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?105413-Merb-Suspensions&highlight=Octavian

Best Regards

Smuler

 

[hungry101]

A But let us assume it was true imagine a girl after two years of repeat business runs off with your money. What guarantee do you have? Absolutely none. There are no rules. Consider the absurdity of paying upfront to someone you do not even know. As for Merb agencies when I did book a SP I remember leaving the donation on a table. I had no issue with that because I know the agency is well reviewed and has a rep. When dealing with strippers sorry I got to protect my own interests as I got no trust in them I believe they are fully capable of ripping off anyone if the opportunity arose.

With using reputable agency girls and Indy girls that advertise here you have recourse. That is to say, If services rendered are not acceptable then you can write a bad review. The SPs therefore have an incentive to provide you with good service or you will write a bad review and they will lose business. Pick a girl up a hotel girl or take home a stripper etc and there is no recourse. That is how a review board works.

 

[Toxic1979]

Strippers have a talent for working their way into wallet!

They are she-devils! But soooo tempting!

I always pay upfront... Never been ripped off! But I also only use agencies, and a well reviewed Indy once!

 

[EagerBeaver]

Strippers have a talent for working their way into wallet! They are she-devils! But soooo tempting! I always pay upfront... Never been ripped off! But I also only use agencies, and a well reviewed Indy once!

As has been brought forth by some of the prior posts, there is a certain risk factor when dealing with strippers that is not necessarily present when dealing with the reliable, non B&S MERB advertiser escort agencies. I think it is the younger, less experienced hobbyists, who are less married to the idea of paying for sex and are straddling the fence between that and cultivating friends with benefits, who tend to be the risk takers.

Jeff Jones is long time, veteran hobbyist mining the mostly higher end strip clubs for HDH takeout and uses a very blunt negotiating approach which requires balls and $$$$. Although he and Cloud 500 are similar in their approaches, they are mining completely different ends of the strip club spectrum. Cloud 500 is going to clubs that are a far cry from the Spearmint Rhino, and likely taking much more significant risks as far as being flat ripped off. It may be that he enjoys taking those risks, yet still calculates various measures to counteract them. I think JJ's risk is mostly in the expectation of chemistry and performance matching the significant financial outlay. He has more money at stake, by a lot, than Cloud 500, although he is not usually exposed to the "take the money and run" risk in the sector he plays in.

Different strokes for different folks.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Cloud,

, i rarely leave the club with them at the end of the night. I do on occasion but not often. For the most part i set up dates for the following night with agreed upon services. Now i would never pre pay a girl at the strip club and take her word that she is going to show up but if i do leave the club with the stripper i put the money on the counter as soon as we get back to the room. If it is a pre arranged date where they are coming by the next night then i do what i do with any escort and have the money in an envelope on the counter. I have many repeat dates with strippers and i have never run into a problem doing it my way. I am not saying i won't someday, anything is possible but if a stripper gives me bad vibes at the club that they maybe a con artist, i simply move on to a different dancer and try to avoid putting myself in a bad situation.

JJ

I never said I leave with them at the end of the night. I do exactly as you described here. In fact I will have several booth sessions with her before I even take her out. I will see how far she lets me go in the booths with her. I also check to see if she is honest in her count. Among many things that I check. I never take them after their shift as they are tired and I want them clean that is showered etc..

 

[jeff jones]

Cloud,

I had thought the last stripper that you run into all the problems with, that you wrote about recently, that you left the club with her but i could be mistaken. If you are lining up the strippers to meet you the following day at a motel/hotel then what is the problem with having the money in an envelope on the counter for them. I have done this with every stripper i have ever met and i have never had any of them come into the room and put the envelope right into there purse. They always took it after the date was over. As a matter of fact i don't even remember any more then one or two of them even counting the money in front of me after the date was over but if they all had of, it sure as heck would not offend me. They need to know also that they are not going to be ripped off.

JJ

 

[Mod20]

Please remain on the original topic of the thread: The MERB culture & why I am leaving

 

[Octavian]

But, you are still behind the all time leader !

https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?105413-Merb-Suspensions&highlight=Octavian

Best Regards

Smuler

My lucky number is 7 . :eyebrows:

Best Regards

Octo

 

[EagerBeaver]

I think General Gonad is still suspension champion but not sure if stats have been kept by MERB or the Mods. GG was actually a useful source of information but he had a manic side to his persona that he was unable to control at all.

However back to the topic of MERB culture: I never read the posts that led the thread starter to declare his departure, but was anyone suspended for criticizing him?

 

[Vercingentorix]

Well, I scanned the first 2 1/2 pages and as usual got totally bored. It's all been said before and will be said again. It's truly unfortunate that guys even disclose their handles or are even tractable. It leads to short term satisfaction and long term pain for us all. Bottom line is the girls and their pimps will use and do whatever is necessary to make a gain or save a "reputation". Frankly most of the guys here are such pussies that they buy it. The legendary Good Sam had it right, keep totally confidential. If I ever come back to the hobby (and I probably will), and if I decide to actually write a review, it will be well over a month after the fact. By then the girl and the agency will have gone through hundreds of tricks. Don't post things that identify the session.

It's mainly these pussies that do these attacks on other members that are the real problem. Somehow they think the girl or the agency gives a shit about them. They buy the BS that the agency or the hooker puts out and perceive themselves to be some kind of White Knight. My famous Poutain Review was widely reviled by the likes of Doc and many of his like that are as two faced as that jerk in the Whitehouse. What were they really protecting? There perceived special privileges from the female pimp. Multiple times when I tried to blow the whistle on some of these scam artists and scam organizations on this board and previous boards like the canine board, I got attacked and reviled. I thought truth and reporting the facts to my fellow hobbiests was important. It's not.

As far as retiring goes, Go. It's that need to be the gallant White Knight going softly out into the night and fade away (wait that was General MacArthur's line, I had to give him credit). What a crock of s__t!!!

In closing the moderation on this board has improved dramatically since the "computer"man left and the "Brothers Grimm" man was kicked off the board. In closing, in the past I've told this board about scam artists and scammers in the hobby. I also told everyone about the biggest scammer in the White House. Everyone attacked, everyone demeaned, most were the usual poor examples of manhood that they are, ....EVERYONE WAS F__KING WRONG AND I WAS RIGHT AS USUAL.....AND SO IT GOES......

 

[jeff jones]

Well, I scanned the first 2 1/2 pages and as usual got totally bored. It's all been said before and will be said again. It's truly unfortunate that guys even disclose their handles or are even tractable. It leads to short term satisfaction and long term pain for us all. Bottom line is the girls and their pimps will use and do whatever is necessary to make a gain or save a "reputation". Frankly most of the guys here are such pussies that they buy it.

Most of the johns that post on this board buys into everything the escorts tell them. They lap it up hook, line and sucker. If i read one more time the girl has an exit plan i may run into the washroom and barf. The majority of girls wether they are strippers or escorts leave this biz dead broke or with a few months worth of money in there pockets. That is why you see girls all the time retire but a few months later re-appear. When the dust settles they have nothing to show for it except a bunch of brand name purses and shoes that they couldn't sell for a $1000.00 dollars. The ones that actually leave with something to show for what they put themselves thru is like looking for a needle in a haystack. My fellow johns hate hearing this because they want to pretend that the girls love there job and they have a successful exit plan. I guess it makes them feel better about paying for sex. Instead of just admitting the escort is using them for money and they are using the escort for sex. Reality breaks the fantasy. I have been around a long time and i have yet to meet a wealthy escort or stripper despite all the tax free money they make.

JJ

 

[jago]

heuu totally don't agree with CLOUD 500 **Remember this rule of thumb. Whenever a strippers asks to pay upfront it usually means she is planning something bad. The very few times I booked a Merb agency as I knew the agency is well reviewed I had no hesitation to pay upfront but the funny thing is the girls never asked for it upfront. I left the donation on a table and she never even counted it till the end. See the difference here. Body language and actions will show whether the girl is planning to scam you or not. What I say is out of Merb culture. In Merb culture the game is different.

And one last thing in my experience when dealing with strippers and annonces123 girls, when you pay after they are VERY motivated to put out as they want the money. If they do not put out there is risk of them loosing the money. So trust me they get very worried. Once you pay upfront they can do whatever they want and there is nothing you can do about it. This is a crooked world. It is what it is**

when you pay pay after they are very motivated heuuuuuuuu no
look i know alot of sp( and in their personal lives to) and it don't have nothing to do that she in on ann123 or whatever, it'just that you are paying for a service from an independant provider, of course alot of the girls will ask to pay before and i never had any problems with that and i never been robbed also. it is perfectly normal that a girl ask to get paid first, i mean c'mon imagine you ask for full service , you get suck, you fuck etc after that the girl wait for the money, possible scenario, the guy don't have money or less then the fee session. scenario 2) guy ran away. etc we are not dealing about a regular type of service here, the girl don't sell you a product (separated from herself)she sell herself so she is more implicated more than ever in this operation. If a guy is afraid to pay first well he should stick to agency girls because most girs will not say yes to this. the only thing i agree with you* Once you pay upfront they can do whatever they want and there is nothing you can do about it. This is a crooked world. It is what it is.** you cannot always try to limit the risks but you can't eliminate them all. So if the sp don't want to accept this offer it doesn't mean she is shady but you got to understand her position too and vice versa

first of all

 

[jago]

totally agree with your point of view jeff

 

[Merlot]

Most of the johns that post on this board buys into everything the escorts tell them. They lap it up hook, line and sucker. JJ

Your failures are yours. Few clients buy into anything more than this is a business. Maybe sometimes they might fantasize, but for most they know where the line is. Some people cross that line, some by a long distance. They eventually learn with a lot of PAIN! It's clear that very hard lesson creates much regret and anger. Some heal, and become wiser. Some remain hurt and need to feel better by making themselves believe pretty much everyone makes the same grave mistake. But for such people really dealing with it cannot be achieved by attacking others when every choice was their own and their own fault. Good luck JJ.

When someone who couldn't know needs to declare what others do, that someone is blaming others for his mistake.

:thumb:

Merlot

 

[jeff jones]

Your failures are yours. Few clients buy into anything more than this is a business. Maybe sometimes they might fantasize, but for most they know where the line is. Some people cross that line, some by a long distance. They eventually learn with a lot of PAIN! It's clear that very hard lesson creates much regret and anger. Some heal, and become wiser. Some remain hurt and need to feel better by making themselves believe pretty much everyone makes the same grave mistake. But for such people really dealing with it cannot be achieved by attacking others when every choice was their own and their own fault. Good luck JJ.

:thumb:

Merlot

The reality is bud that you can tell by your general posting where over and over again you pound your chest trying to point out to everybody how special you are to the escorts. You can tell by your reviews that you are totally out to lunch when it comes to this biz. You rate yourself a 6 out of 10 facially, do you believe for one minute that the escorts see you the same way. Do you think if an escort wrote an honest review about you and her it would match your review. You wouldn't know it was the same meeting. Cheers.

JJ

 

[Siocnarf]

When someone who couldn't know needs to declare what others do, that someone is blaming others for his mistake.

Funnily enough, that's also exactly what the abolitionists do.

 

[Vercingentorix]

Most of the johns that post on this board buys into everything the escorts tell them. They lap it up hook, line and sucker. If i read one more time the girl has an exit plan i may run into the washroom and barf. The majority of girls wether they are strippers or escorts leave this biz dead broke or with a few months worth of money in there pockets. That is why you see girls all the time retire but a few months later re-appear. When the dust settles they have nothing to show for it except a bunch of brand name purses and shoes that they couldn't sell for a $1000.00 dollars. The ones that actually leave with something to show for what they put themselves thru is like looking for a needle in a haystack. My fellow johns hate hearing this because they want to pretend that the girls love there job and they have a successful exit plan. I guess it makes them feel better about paying for sex. Instead of just admitting the escort is using them for money and they are using the escort for sex. Reality breaks the fantasy. I have been around a long time and i have yet to meet a wealthy escort or stripper despite all the tax free money they make.

All of your thoughts are well considered (which is why I brought them forward). Even the most intelligent of them rarely save anything for the future. While I could still be in contact with many of them, I actually chose to allow one of most intelligent and unique retired ones access to my personal Facebook page. It's proven to be a good move and I enjoy her friendship. She's done well for herself in the business world because of her unique personality and intelligence. So not all of them are bad news, just the vast majority. I've had two of them ask me to marry them and one meet me across the country on her own dime. This in no way should negate the fact that most of them hustle for a living. Most are so full of it that they don't even know it...They think they know what they're doing and saying but really don't. It's hilarious....LOL I even had one refuse to get off the bed and go away until I agreed to have a "relationship" with her (note: last time I saw her).

I'd really like to see all the Johns on this board begin to skip the GGs and hide their handles from the gals. Adopt a delay period in their reviews, etc...etc... The GGs are nothing more than the agency's methods of identifying and exchanging info on clients. I guess the ego gratification that these losers get from the GGs outweighs the good sense at being discreet.