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Doc Holliday

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I do not kick someone who is down, but the Leafs lost another game.OMG

No big deal. They played well & dominated the Sens for the final two periods. You can't win 'em all, as they say.

Believe it or not, i'm actually hoping they lose every single game left in the season (except the Mtl games) since it means they'll get closer to possibly being able to draft Connor McDavid or Jack Eichel.
 
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Good news, Kessel goes in the first round in all star draft. Then gets traded !
 

Doc Holliday

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I hate the all-star game altogether.....the part i hate the most is the boring skills competition.

However, i must admit that i absolutely love the all-star draft!

And last night's draft was extremely entertaining!

Phil Kessel was Team Toews' first overall pick. Jonathan Toews brought the house down when he joked that the reason why they chose him was because he was one of the most coacheable players in the league. Kessel couldn't help but chuckle!

And later, Team Foligno decided to trade Tyler Seguin for Phil Kessel....the first time a trade was ever made at this event!! Oh, so damn funny!!!

But the best moment of the night had to be the 'drama' surrounding Ovechkin and his desire to be chosen last in order to win a Honda car. Everytime he'd be interviewed, he'd tell everyone that he really needed a car and wanted to be picked last. And guess what?? Team Foligno chose him when there were only three players left!!! At first, Ovechkin pretended to be pissed off at being selected and refused to get up & go join his new team.....reminiscent of Mario Lemieux and Eric Lindros when they were drafted as teenagers. But eventually he got out of his chair and joined the rest of the team. Hillarious!!!

The worse part for Ovie was that the sponsors decide to also award a car to the 2nd-last guy remaining, since the last two picks were decided by the fans. Poor Ovie!!! :lol:

If anyone wants to see videoclips of the event, they are available on Sportsnet's website.

p.s. I was surprised that the mighty Boston Bruins only had Patrice Bergeron as an all-star this season. Where were Dougie Hamilton, Riley Smith & Louie Ericksson? lol
 

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Morgan Rielly played a great game last night against my Rangers

Also watched Santorelli as he's supposed to be coming to the Big Apple ( we will see )

Best Regards

Smuler
 

Doc Holliday

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Morgan Rielly played a great game last night against my Rangers

Also watched Santorelli as he's supposed to be coming to the Big Apple ( we will see )

Morgan Rielly is probably the only untouchable on that team. He'll be a big star in the not-to-distant future.

Mike Santorelli will be one of several players being dealt away by the Leafs within the next few weeks.

Hopefully today's huge trade between the Sabres and the Jets will get the ball rolling. One thing the hard salary cap has done was nearly kill player trades.
 

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Shanahan's "scorched-earth" plan wins MLSE support

by Cathal Kelly, The Globe and Mail

Two weeks ago, the management team of the Toronto Maple Leafs met with several members of the Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment board on the 15th floor of the corporation’s head office at 50 Bay St.

These informal meetings had been ongoing since the start of the National Hockey League calendar. New Leafs president Brendan Shanahan was hired with a mandate to remake the team. From very early on, he’d realized that if the club aspired to be a Stanley Cup contender, it required a major overhaul.

But he needed the evidence of the season to persuade his employers fully. After the Leafs’ recent slide out of contention, the club’s given him that.

Then he needed the board to endorse his vision of a barren short term in the interests of a competitive future. In that meeting, he got that as well.

Mr. Shanahan and his lieutenants have now finally received a broad mandate from ownership to scorch as much earth as they see fit in order to return the Leafs to contention, according to two sources familiar with that meeting. It will mean a new philosophy on building slowly through the draft and long-term projects, rather than quick fixes via trades for established players. It will mean at least three more years of pain for fans, and as many as five.

When you’re living in or looking on at the day-to-day chaos of Leafland, all you see are small, constant and usually inconsequential crises. It creates the disastrous habit of thinking the next game or the next month is all that matters. That tendency has repeatedly infected previous regimes, drawing them into terrible, short-term decision-making.

In hindsight, that’s what may make that meeting two weeks ago so consequential. It was the first time in a long while that everyone involved agreed hockey’s Rome could not be rebuilt in a day.

Currently, the team is sliding into a standings abyss. The roster lurches nightly between despair and befuddlement. After only a month on the job, the interim coach, Peter Horachek, appears days from blowing a gasket in public.

It may not feel like it right now, but this is a good thing. This, right here, may be the most realistically hopeful time to be a Toronto Maple Leafs fan in a generation.

From that perspective, the season could not have played out better.

Mr. Shanahan arrived never intending to fiddle with the roster. His predecessors had begun tinkering in small and large ways, nearly from the get-go.

Some had been given the same informal board approval to make sweeping changes (the presidents of MLSE clubs only require full board approval to fire coaches and general managers, and to substantially alter their budgets). Former general manager Brian Burke talked constantly about “a five-year plan.” But none had followed through. There is too much temptation in hockey’s most hysterical market to patch the hull right now, then set off to sail round the world. All those voyages were lost.

Instead, Mr. Shanahan and GM Dave Nonis put roughly the same team on the ice. They stuck with coach Randy Carlyle, long after he’d been compromised. The goal was to give the board a steady target. “This is what we have.” There were few significant injuries to significant players. For a time at least, stars such as Phil Kessel played as though they were stars. The offence was among the league’s best. The defence was intermittently awful, but adequate to needs. This was the Leafs being as good as they could be. And, just as Mr. Nonis and Mr. Shanahan had suspected, it was unsustainable. The wheels didn’t just fall off. They caromed through the windshield and sheared off the roof.

So, what now?

First, a new, intense focus on the draft. Everyone in the league talks a good game about drafting your way to success, but there are still more than a few who don’t really believe it. They prefer to trade, which brings instant gratification and, if it works, ends up making you look smarter.

This was the point of hiring former London Knights GM Mark Hunter as an executive. Most took it as a challenge to Mr. Nonis. Instead, Mr. Hunter brings something few top people in the NHL can claim – a deep and nuanced understanding of the best 14-, 15- and 16-year-old players in the world. Along with assistant GM Kyle Dubas, Mr. Hunter is here to mine the draft over the next three years.

Second, Connor McDavid. The Leafs sit sixth from the bottom. If the season ended today, that would represent a 7.5-per-cent draft-lotto shot at the generational talent from Newmarket, Ont. A few days ago, Mr. McDavid told The Toronto Sun’s Mike Zeisberger that ending up on the Leafs “would be a dream come true.”

It’s not at all likely, but until it’s certain one way or the other, Mr. McDavid will haunt the Leafs’ dreams.

You can’t ask a team to tank. Professional athletes aren’t built to do it. But no one in management is bothered by the roster’s decline into despair. Quite the opposite. Having taken the decision to start fresh, this is spinning out swimmingly.

Then, Mike Babcock. The best coach in the NHL still hasn’t re-signed with Detroit. People who know Mr. Babcock say one important thing about him – he badly wants to succeed in the most difficult, high-stakes circumstances. That would be Toronto. He could probably win now in a city such as San Jose. But why would he care?

There’s also the allegiance he feels to fellow coaches. Moving to hockey’s most lucrative market would make Mr. Babcock far and away the highest-paid coach in league history, a rising tide that floats all salary boats.

Next, the teardown. This is a controlled demolition, and it won’t happen quickly. The most likely players to leave before the March 2 trade deadline are Daniel Winnik and Mike Santorelli. They’re cheap, durable and many teams want them as playoff rentals. Removing that pair also has the salutary side effect of making the Leafs worse, aiding their dive into a deep draft. You could trade Dion Phaneuf tomorrow, but there’s a sizable risk of getting back someone who makes you better right now. That would be counterproductive.

This season has allowed management to identify a new core of players it wants to keep – Morgan Rielly, Jake Gardiner, Jonathan Bernier, William Nylander. Nazem Kadri and James van Riemsdyk are still considered valuable because of their youth. There are some favourites, but no one – not even a budding star such as Mr. Rielly – is untouchable.

It won’t happen until summer, but Mr. Phaneuf and Mr. Kessel are not in the plan. The goal now is extracting as much value as possible for them. That translates either to young players who are high-ceiling projects and draft picks.

It’s still a risk. The Edmonton Oilers haven’t been able to manage it. Chicago suffered through several miserable years before the Blackhawks could make it work.

Starting over is no guarantee of success. But everyone at every level has finally accepted that the other way – the way the Leafs have been trying for more than a decade – only promises mediocrity and disappointment. The real difficulty is in keeping on the hard road down, which eventually leads back up.

Shanahan's "scorched-earth" plan wins MLSE support
 

lgna69xxx

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Excellent article Doc, thanks for posting mon ami!

I agree with most of it and a complete rebuild is now in order. I think the Leafs were on the right path under Burke and firing him was a premature mistake but it is done and over and lets let Shanahan build a powerhouse for years to come. We waited this long, whats another 3-5 years lol...It is just a game anyways and nothing to stress over or lose sleep about like so many do.

Til the end tho.... GO LEAFS GO!
 
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Good article Doc, and I agree with what they are saying. But is Shanahan the right guy to lead this rebuild? It's easier said then done just look at Edmonton for example. If they surround themselves with good hockey minds it can work. Start with a new GM,followed by a few coach. Then get some guys who care and work hard every game. Then they will be doing it right. Good luck Leaf Nation. Changes are coming,more this summer then the trade deadline.
 

Doc Holliday

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Good article Doc, and I agree with what they are saying. But is Shanahan the right guy to lead this rebuild? It's easier said then done just look at Edmonton for example. If they surround themselves with good hockey minds it can work. Start with a new GM,followed by a few coach. Then get some guys who care and work hard every game. Then they will be doing it right. Good luck Leaf Nation. Changes are coming,more this summer then the trade deadline.

Shanahan is as good a guy to lead this rebuild as any. He has as much administrative experience as Steve Yzerman & others did when they began their career as hockey executives. It's rumoured that the next Ottawa GM will be Daniel Alfredsson. Is he qualified for that position? No. But at least Shanahan has worked for the Red Wings & then the NHL head office in the past, and now had a year under his belt at MLSE.

As for Edmonton, the situation was different. Sure, they got all those high draft picks. They were picks that 100% of the GMs also would have picked had they been in their position. But the rest of the picks in those respective drafts were all pretty much flops. It's very easy to make the right pick when you draft high, but not as easy when you happen to draft later on. In Detroit's case, it's been pretty much the opposite. Lousy higher draft picks, but great picks in the later rounds. Which is why Mike Babcock has been saying behind closed doors that Detroit owes a large amount of its success to their European scouts.

The perfect rebuiild involves a combination of very good drafts, very good trades & very good free agent signings. The drafting part involves many things, including drafting high & with a bit of luck involved. The trading part is much more difficult in today's NHL due to the hard salary cap. The recent blockbuster trade between Buffalo and Winnipeg is a rarity today, where it was the norm a decade or so ago. As for signing free agents, it's easier to do when you operate from a market that is attractive to the top free agents. It's no secret that this is Edmonton's achilles heel since no top free agents want to relocate to cold & distant Edmonton, Alberta.

This is why Edmonton has been a failure so far. Poor drafting after the first round, lack of ability to trade, and finally, inability to attract top talent to sign with them.

As for Toronto, they should get a good first-round pick in the June draft. The way the lottery is set up, the worse team in the league only gets a 20% chance of landing the first overall pick, which will be future superstar Connor McDavid. This means that the 13 other teams who miss the playoffs will get an 80% chance to land McDavid. Buffalo will likely finish last, and Edmonton will likely finish next-to-last, meaning they'll only get a 13.5% chance to get the first overall pick. The Leafs currently have the #6 spot, whose chances currently stand at 7.5%. It's only a matter of a day or two until Columbus passes them in the standings, which would increase their odds to 8.5%.

The way i see it, the Leafs at best will likely end up in the 3rd position after Buffalo & Edmonton. I'm not sure that the likes of Carolina & Arizona will catch up to them, but it's very possible. The third position would give the Leafs an 11.5% chance of landing McDavid. So anything's possible. And if the Sabres do get lucky & wind up drafting McDavid, then all bets are off for who will draft Jack Eichel in the #2 slot. But if the Sabres miss out on the #1 drafting spot, they will automatically get the #2 pick overall, likely to be Eichel.

As for trades, the Leafs will likely unload their current UFAs & will likely try to trade their bigger contracts during the off-season, possibly on draft day. Kessel & Phaneuf, if traded, should bring a pretty good return as far as draft picks & prospects go. Kessel is their #1 trading asset.

As for free agent signings, Toronto is a very attractive market for potential free agents & even Connor McDavid mentionned the other day that joining the Leafs would be a dream-come-true for him.

So yes, i believe that it would be much easier for the Leafs to successfully rebuild as compared to the likes of the Edmonton Oilers.

Speaking of the upcoming NHL Draft Lottery, here is a pretty cool simulator that i found. When i ran it ten times last night, the Sabres only wound up with the #1 pick once:

2015 NHL Draft Lottery Simulator
 

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Sorry little buddy, but this thread is about the Leafs.

Yes of course it is but since you introduced the subject I thought you would appreciate the opportunity to give some examples to prove the point you made. I'd still love to see them.

Please feel free to post them either here or in one of the other hockey threads. And thanks again for bringing up the subject. True, as you have indicated, you possibly chose the "wrong" thread to introduce your fascinating statement, but I for one have no problem whatsoever with that.

Looking forward to your examples, and thanks again:thumb:
 

Doc Holliday

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This Leafs fan is happy that his little buddy enjoys reading this great thread & he's always welcome to post good stuff about Canada's favorite team, the Leafs.

In Leafs/habs news today, it's been reported around Mtl that the Leafs have inquired about the availability of Mikael Bournival & Christian Thomas. This likely means that the habs have contacted the Leafs in regards to some of the players that they have available. It's a given that the habs are once again interested in Cody Franson, since he was nearly traded to the habs for Josh Gorges during the off-season. But who else would the habs be interested in?
 

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This Leafs fan is happy that his little buddy enjoys reading this great thread.

Right on Doctor. Thanks for creating this amazingly entertaining thread. To truly enjoy it, readers should start right from the beginning. I guarantee that any knowledgeable hockey fan who does so will get as much enjoyment from doing so as I have. Thanks again Doc:thumb:
 
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I read on sportsnet that the red wings are interested in Phaneuf. Hope that trade happens and the Leafs get some of their top prospects. Then I would like to hear what some people have to say. Let the trades begin. On another note Clarkson just does not get.
 

Doc Holliday

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Right on Doctor. Thanks for creating this amazingly entertaining thread. To truly enjoy it, readers should start right from the beginning. I guarantee that any knowledgeable hockey fan who does so will get as much enjoyment from doing so as I have. Thanks again Doc:thumb:

You're quite welcome, my dear friend. You've just made my day! ;)
 

Doc Holliday

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I read on sportsnet that the red wings are interested in Phaneuf. Hope that trade happens and the Leafs get some of their top prospects. Then I would like to hear what some people have to say. Let the trades begin. On another note Clarkson just does not get.

Many teams would like to have a Phaneuf in their lineup. Teams such as Colorado and Edmonton have very weak defences & a player of his calibre would be a great boost for them. LA is also rumoured to be one of the teams after him. I'd even add that he'd look great on the Bruins & habs' bluelines.

But the problem with trading him now is that many teams don't have the cap space to take on his contract. If a trade were to happen, it would likely happen during the off-season. Same thing with Phil Kessel, whom i'd also keep if i were the Leafs. Someone has to score goals, after all, and his current contract is quite reasonable for a player of his calibre.

I actually hope Dion Phaneuf remains with the Leafs. He's still their best defencan. The big problem with him right now is that he's not used properly. He's not a #1 defenceman, but a #2 (and on some other teams a #3). He'd thrive on any team that isn't using him as a #1-2 defenceman. And handing him the captaincy even before he played a single game with the Leafs was definitely not a good thing for him. He's the type of player that needs to be kept out of the spotlight in order for him to be more effective.

His contract currently looks bad, but mostly because the team is having one of its worse seasons in a decade or so. But i'm hearing that many current average defencemen (e.g. Cody Franson) will be asking $5-6 million per season once they become UFA. Many look upon this as being ridiculous, but blame Geoff Molson of the Canadiens for this when he overuled his own GM and gave P.K. Subban a $72 million/8 year contract during the off-season. It raised the bar for upcoming free agent defencemen. Mark my words: Dion Phaneuf's contract will look like a bargain in 2-3 years.

As for David Clarkson, he's actually had a decent season. He's had a typical "David Clarkson" type of season. Many would point out that he's actually played like the player they saw when they signed him as a free agent. He had one decent scoring season in New Jersey and that was it points-wise. Sure, it appears today that the Leafs may have overpaid him. But let's not forget that he actually was offered more money by Edmonton & Ottawa at the time. He chose to play for his hometown team. And let's also not forget that the top unrestricted free agents ALWAYS get overpaid. That happens in most professional sports, were it MLB, NBA, etc. The NHL is no exception.
 
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