The Trump Crime Family

[sambuca]

Separating Trump and his rhetoric from an issue for a moment, there is no public support for illegal immigration or taking in economic "refugees". In fact, this thread has had a few Trump haters say they thought the Democrats immigration policy is absurd.

How did Trump lie about birthright citizenship? Honest question, I don't know what you are referring to. In this modern age, we have visitors both wealthy and poor coming to the U.S. for the sole purpose to birth their child in the U.S. That seems to be an accepted fact.

You can hate him for how he hijacks the news cycle with hyperbole, but it's a strategy that has worked well for him when dealing with a media that is 75-80% hostile to him. I find the whole NY Times thing of counting Trump's lies and defending Obama's lies quite silly. Yes, Trump has lied more than Obama. Does Trump lie about things that upset Republicans? Did Obama lie about more critical matters than Trump? It's all subjective at that point. But, counting lies, seriously?? It's fair to report that the President is not sending 15,000 troops and he's exaggerating, but let us all decide if that's a big problem for us.

Read my lips or in this case my bold print: I don't give a fuck how many people showed up at the inauguration for Obama or Trump. I don't give a fuck about what Trump says is the biggest, the greatest or the most. It's all rather silly stuff to pretend that Trump is the first politician to use hyperbole. I'm more interested in policy and results.

 

[sambuca]

Jalimon, we have had several Presidents since the founding of the Republic who have had extremely adversarial relationships with the Press. The founding fathers didn't anticipate that newspapers (and now TV and radio outlets) would align themselves with political parties.

Obama didn't have an entirely beautiful relationship. It wasn't just rhetoric. It was very serious.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/20/obama-doj-james-rosen-criminality

 

[jalimon]

Please find me a past president that openly said the press was the enemy of the people. Please do. The only thing you will find is from Hitler and similar dictator.
Cheers,

 

[sambuca]

Nixon said those exact words and several other Presidents said things trying to discredit the press. Nixon doesn't make for the best example, but you have to realize the current context of press partisanship. No matter where you are on the political spectrum Americans have noticed that in this hyperpartisan media environment even the various press outlets are criticizing and challenging each other.

More on Obama's war on Fox News which might be far more aggressive than calling CNN "fake news " or "enemies of the people".

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/09/obama-fox-news-and-the-free-press/

 

[sambuca]

Valcazar, I have written about Trump's tax policy and other policies when it has come up in the discussion. Again, I don't agree with every Trump policy.

Like the Clinton Crime Family thread which inspired this thread's title, this has not been exclusively about people discussing Trump's alleged crimes. People have discussed Trump's lies, demeanor, infidelity, other transgressions as well as policy. Hey, I even think someone raised the subject of a Saudi being murdered in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Meanwhile, leaders of Bend the Arc, a Pittsburgh Jewish advocacy group, said President Donald Trump is not welcome in their city until Trump “denounces white nationalism” — the white supremacist movement that many believe Trump is guilty of either supporting or at least providing aid and comfort.

Speaking of “hateful rhetoric,” critics of President Trump have apparently forgotten about Obama’s 20-year relationship with his anti-Semitic pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. After 9/11, Wright called the attacks retribution, in part, for America’s support of Israel. In a 2009 interview, Wright said: “Them Jews ain’t going to let (Obama) talk to me. … They will not let him to talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is. … Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing (by) the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don’t want Barack talking like that because that’s anti-Israel.”

Wright and Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan have long been friends. In 2007, the publication founded by Wright’s church, Trumpet Newsmagazine, awarded its annual “Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award” to Farrakhan, a man who, it said, “truly epitomized greatness.” Farrakhan, in a February 2018 sermon, proclaimed the era of Jewish influence was near its end. Farrakhan said: “White folks are going down. And Satan is going down. And Farrakhan, by God’s grace, has pulled the cover off of that Satanic Jew, and I’m here to say your time is up, your world is through.” In 2005, Farrakhan posed with a smiling freshman senator named Barack Obama. Fortunately for Obama, the photograph was not released until after Obama completed his two terms in the White House. Long-time Democrat Alan Dershowitz says that had he known about that photograph, he would not have campaigned for Obama.

 

[BigBboy1]

I disagree. Why nobody doesn't believe in Trump. He can change so many things and open new workplaces...

 

[Valcazar]

@Sol Tee Nutz - what does this have to do with anything? Some of us are old enough to remember the Wright controversy and how Obama distanced himself from him. Wright was never a major player. Farrakhan is not actually important, although historically he has ties to serious Black activism that result in some awkward photoshoots for people.

And? It isn't like Farrakhan is leftist, he is actively pro-Trump. Obama photographed for a meet and greet in 2005 with the CBC is not actually shocking? Yes, I agree that in 2008 if that had come out it might have derailed him before he ever managed to get nominated but that's just the nature of presidential runs. All kinds of random bullshit can disrupt things. Would Trump have won the nomination in a field that was less crowded? Maybe not. (Maybe so!) Would Bernie Sanders have gotten more than 10% of the vote if other candidates were running against Hilary Clinton? Maybe not. (Maybe so!)

If you think Farrakhan is a big deal, you should be yelling at Trump to repudiate his support, since Trump is the only relevant person now. If this is just "gotcha" BS, why are you bothering?

 

[Valcazar]

More on Obama's war on Fox News which might be far more aggressive than calling CNN "fake news " or "enemies of the people".

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/09/obama-fox-news-and-the-free-press/

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

OK, now you are just trolling and not being serious. Do you think some of us didn't live through this?
I know you keep denying you are a Trump apologist, but you can't present idiocy like this with a straight face and expect people to take you seriously.

 

[Valcazar]

More seriously,

Trump's move with Sessions and Whitaker - what do we think? I mean, yes, he assigned a consigliere to be his personal Roy Cohn. It's blatant authoritarianism. This isn't really in question. Will he be able to pull it off? The GOP isn't going to push back, and the Senate controls appointments. Trump's batshit press conference showed how scare he is, and so he is lashing out. That's inevitable with a narcissist. How much damage do we think he will do in trying to protect himself from his own guilt? With 40% support of the population, and outsized institutional power due to the anti-democratic nature of the constitution, is he unstoppable?

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

More seriously, , is he unstoppable?

The average working person is sick of politicians, overpaid and perks that would make many envious. Trump is an ass but he is bringing jobs to many people, the stock market is still strong. Many millions agree with his opinion illegals, stay the the fuck out, I support that one. Buy American, yup. If the Dems fuck that up or other things it will turn against them next election. The average working American is the majority.
Just my opinion

 

[sambuca]

Sol Tee Nuts, can't you see Trump is an authoritarian dictator who is trying to destroy the power of the U.S. Congress and consolidate autocratic power around one person.

Trying to explain to an anti-Trump person that an Attorney General works for and serves at the discretion of President seems like wasted oxygen. The AG's office is not an apparatus of Congress or the Justice Department bureaucracy.

 

[jalimon]

Funny to have an administration to call the free press all fake news when that same administration publish a falsified video of the Acosta affair. Was Sanders stupid enough to publish that without proper verification?

These details are quite scary because imagine what they can do for stuff that matters...

Cheers,

 

[Doc Holliday]

We're hearing that it's only a matter of days until Donald Trump Jr. will be indicted by the special prosecutor. It helps explain the sudden firing of AG Jefferson Beauregard Sessions by Donald Trump. He's panicking & needed to promote his own guy (although extremely incompetent for the AG job) in order to figure out a way to get rid of the Muller investigation. But suddenly all hell is breaking loose around Washington & even many Republicans are incensed at Whitaker's appointment. It's way too obvious why Trump picked HIM to replace Sessions. Many already in the justice department have anonymously referred to Whitaker as being a fucking idiot & totally not qualifed for the AG job.

 

[Valcazar]

Jalimon, you need to remember that proving you can get away with the lie is the point. Yes, it is a shitty doctoring job. It is obvious. But like the infamous crowd shots, you make it a loyalty test to defend it. Anyone who does is clearly more interested in being on your good side than the truth. (Due to ambition, stupidity, whatever.)

If you produce a good lie, more people might believe you, but you don't know who your good followers are. Someone who defends you when you say the sky is green is *loyal* or *suissoge*. That's the point. They will back you when you do worse things.

It is like how he lied about knowing Whitaker today. That it is demonstrably false isn't a problem, because the point is that he can get people to defend it *despite* it being demonstrably false.

 

[Valcazar]

SolTeeNutz.

Cool. And your belief Trump is good for the economy has what at all to do with Farrakhan?

 

[jalimon]

Valcazar you know in my youth I was very popular kid and once with a bunch of friend we bullied a buddy of us who was fat and ugly. To this day I regret what we did to him and I am now allergic to anyone who openly is able to lie and bully people.

You will now understand that for me Trump represent everything that I hate about a human being. His ability to lie as he please and to instantly attack anyone who is in his path simply gets me sick.

All the fucking Trump supporters should smoke a fucking joint, relax and have the ability to fuck a girl once in a while. They will then see the world differently and understand that when someone likes you you might open your mind and start to actually like everyone around you

Cheers,

 

[Valcazar]

In my case it is having been entangled with people with NPD before. Once you know it and can recognize it, it is hard not to notice it.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

SolTeeNutz.

Cool. And your belief Trump is good for the economy has what at all to do with Farrakhan?

Nothing, if you noticed I only used 2 portions of your quote and made a question eliminating your in between. The answer is to the 2 chosen parts.

 

[Valcazar]

Nothing, if you noticed I only used 2 portions of your quote and made a question eliminating your in between. The answer is to the 2 chosen parts.

Ok. So the Farrakhan thing has been dropped. Fair enough.

Will you accept that the interpretation I should be taking away is that because you support his policies, as do many (roughly 40% of the population), he is unstoppable and rightly so?