Towards the presidential run of 2024

[EagerBeaver]

There hasn’t been an earth shattering change in the US or Canada regardless of who was in power, I think the people in both countries would rise up and quickly put an end to any government that would drastically change their life style for the worse or put them in immediate danger for their lives.

I think this is very true. One thing that I have always thought is that the amount of emotion expended on politics or endorsing a political candidate is completely disproportionate to the actual impact one politician or the other will actually have on our lives here in the USA and Canada.

I have a close relative who is a passionate supporter of Trump. When my mother and father were still alive they hated him because he would bait them into arguments- essentially challenge them to prove that Trump doesn't walk on water. I used to coach my parents, before family events, not to take his bait. They would not listen and allow themselves to get baited. I liked this relative a lot more than they did. He fought in Vietnam as an 18 year old kid- 1 year tour, wounded, saw lots of dead bodies and is actually collecting a pension for PTSD from the Department of Veterans Affairs. So I give him a pass. Although at his 70th birthday party I had to personally intervene to prevent him from getting into a physical fight with a bar patron whom he had also Trump-baited. That bar patron could have been anyone of you guys.

More recently the last 2 law firms I worked at were staffed with people who were at opposite ends of the political spectrum. At both firms, nobody talked about politics, EVER. I think there is an understanding that things are kept professional that way and nobody will get bent out of shape.

But the truth is that none of our lives will change very much regardless of who gets elected. We all will go to work the next day. We will all watch football next Sunday. We will celebrate Thanksgiving and Christmas. We will all owe taxes on our condos, homes, cars at year's end. Life will go on, and it will largely go on with no meaningful deviation.

 

[CLOUD 500]

But the truth is that none of our lives will change very much regardless of who gets elected. We all will go to work the next day. We will all watch football next Sunday. We will celebrate Thanksgiving and Christmas. We will all owe taxes on our condos, homes, cars at year's end. Life will go on, and it will largely go on with no meaningful deviation.

Depends who you ask. An older person with a high paying job and has his house payed off already, true not much would change. But for a young person just entering the job market, starting off and looking to own a home one day then it makes a big difference. Electing politicians that keep on increasing taxes, having mass immigration making houses more expensive, bringing in lots of refugees and giving them all kinds of social benefits and giving the average person the bill, it makes a big difference to them. Kamala Harris will carry on with bringing tons of refugees and giving them all kinds of free stuff.

 

[Womaniser]

Depends who you ask. An older person with a high paying job and has his house payed off already, true not much would change. But for a young person just entering the job market, starting off and looking to own a home one day then it makes a big difference. Electing politicians that keep on increasing taxes, having mass immigration making houses more expensive, bringing in lots of refugees and giving them all kinds of social benefits and giving the average person the bill, it makes a big difference to them. Kamala Harris will carry on with bringing tons of refugees and giving them all kinds of free stuff.

I thought you were writing about Trudeau !

 

[CLOUD 500]

I thought you were writing about Trudeau !

Both. Harris will do some of the same things. She is also for a Federal Carbon tax. Not saying she will implement it, but it also does not mean she will not impose it. One thing is for sure, what she will do remains to be seen and I am certain she will win the elections.

 

[ThunderLipps]

Thoughts on the Harris CNN interview.

 

[Jazzman1218]

I think this is very true. One thing that I have always thought is that the amount of emotion expended on politics or endorsing a political candidate is completely disproportionate to the actual impact one politician or the other will actually have on our lives here in the USA and Canada.

I have a close relative who is a passionate supporter of Trump. When my mother and father were still alive they hated him because he would bait them into arguments- essentially challenge them to prove that Trump doesn't walk on water. I used to coach my parents, before family events, not to take his bait. They would not listen and allow themselves to get baited. I liked this relative a lot more than they did. He fought in Vietnam as an 18 year old kid- 1 year tour, wounded, saw lots of dead bodies and is actually collecting a pension for PTSD from the Department of Veterans Affairs. So I give him a pass. Although at his 70th birthday party I had to personally intervene to prevent him from getting into a physical fight with a bar patron whom he had also Trump-baited. That bar patron could have been anyone of you guys.

More recently the last 2 law firms I worked at were staffed with people who were at opposite ends of the political spectrum. At both firms, nobody talked about politics, EVER. I think there is an understanding that things are kept professional that way and nobody will get bent out of shape.

But the truth is that none of our lives will change very much regardless of who gets elected. We all will go to work the next day. We will all watch football next Sunday. We will celebrate Thanksgiving and Christmas. We will all owe taxes on our condos, homes, cars at year's end. Life will go on, and it will largely go on with no meaningful deviation.

Well that's certainly an optimistic view considering one candidate is a convicted felon who was also found responsible for business fraud and sexual abuse, who tried to overturn the results of a fair election, who has stated he will be a dictator on day one, who has said he would suspend the Constitution, and who has threatened revenge against his rivals and adversaries. I think "meaningful deviation" to life in the US is assured if he returns to the White House.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Mediocre Interview Performance by Harris: BBC

Harris unscathed after walking careful line in first interview

There was no new ammunition for Republicans, but it highlighted the challenge she faces in pitching herself as a change candidate.

www.bbc.com

"It was not a strong start.

Initially, Ms Harris struggled to lay out what she would do on day one of the job, talking in sweeping generalisations about creating an opportunity economy and trying to lower the cost of living.

Ms Harris has been prone to giving complex, detailed and often confusing answers. Her opponents like to mock her “word salads”. This wasn’t a major issue in this interview, but she will need to craft a more concise explanation of how she intends to make life more affordable for ordinary, working Americans if she wants her message on the economy to land.

Throughout the interview, which she did along with her vice-presidential pick Tim Walz, Ms Harris appeared calm and confident. And, crucially, didn’t score any own goals.

Asked about her shifting positions on some key policies since she last ran for president in 2019, Ms Harris said her values had not changed – before confirming that she no longer supports a ban on fracking for natural gas or decriminalising illegal immigration."

 

[ThunderLipps]

Asked about her shifting positions on some key policies since she last ran for president in 2019, Ms Harris said her values had not changed – before confirming that she no longer supports a ban on fracking for natural gas or decriminalising illegal immigration."

So she is still in favor of 15 min cities, trillion dollar green plan and defunding the police.

 

[ThunderLipps]

Pieces of an article

Vice President Kamala Harris actually said this: “We have the ability to see what can be, unburdened by what has been, and then to make the possible actually happen”.

The part of the statement “by what has been” refers to the democracy and freedom in this country since the passage of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
This message seemed to be only “word salad” from the vice president as she often talks in words that defy logical interpretation, but this remark should not be taken lightly since it comes from the playbook ("The Communist Manifesto") of none other than Karl Marx, the infamous socialist revolutionist. A believer that capitalism stands for social destruction.
Much of Harris's thoughts come naturally from her father; a Marxist leaning economist that taught at Stanford University and was educated at University of California Berkeley. Her contempt for free market economy and radical racism are the first beginnings of socialism that has never worked in a free society.
The unequivocal notion that this country could survive as a world leader for freedom under a Harris presidency is unthinkable.

Don Forte, Nashville 37221

 

[gaby]

...and what about TROMP'S SOMERSAULTS ON ABORTION.....no credibility at all....will pay high price for his inconsistent positions on this specific issue that matters.....

 

[Womaniser]

...and what about TROMP'S SOMERSAULTS ON ABORTION.....no credibility at all....will pay high price for his inconsistent positions on this specific issue that matters.....

He even told that in Minnesota and another state, you can kill new borns have their birth which is totaly false.
I would understand parents that would consider this if their new born looks like Donald Trump Loll

 

[Jazzman1218]

Pieces of an article

Vice President Kamala Harris actually said this: “We have the ability to see what can be, unburdened by what has been, and then to make the possible actually happen”.

The part of the statement “by what has been” refers to the democracy and freedom in this country since the passage of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
This message seemed to be only “word salad” from the vice president as she often talks in words that defy logical interpretation, but this remark should not be taken lightly since it comes from the playbook ("The Communist Manifesto") of none other than Karl Marx, the infamous socialist revolutionist. A believer that capitalism stands for social destruction.
Much of Harris's thoughts come naturally from her father; a Marxist leaning economist that taught at Stanford University and was educated at University of California Berkeley. Her contempt for free market economy and radical racism are the first beginnings of socialism that has never worked in a free society.
The unequivocal notion that this country could survive as a world leader for freedom under a Harris presidency is unthinkable.

Don Forte, Nashville 37221

I seriously doubt that "by what has been " refers to democracy and freedom. That assumption would be contrary to her core beliefs that democracy and freedom must be preserved and protected and that all members of society have the opportunity to achieve their goals. Rather I suspect that phrase refers to how the rich corruptly make the system work only for them at the expense of the hard working middle class. The author of the article is clearly biased and making assumptions to advance his personal agenda.

 

[Hemme]

Here's a brief on project 2025, Trump's plan to turn back the clock to 1850 and make America a fundamentalist theocracy, that even the Taliban would admire

Bs

 

[Womaniser]

Bs

What is BS ? The video condemning Project 2025 or Project 2025 ?

 

[Flabert]

He even told that in Minnesota and another state, you can kill new borns have their birth which is totaly false.
I would understand parents that would consider this if their new born looks like Donald Trump Loll

Extremes on both sides of the abortion debate have lost their mind but both sides have people with genuine respectable beliefs.

I am pro-choice and I eat meat but feel queezy about partial birth abortions or poorly run slaughterhouses.

Is partial birth abortions what Trump is talking about when you say “killing newborns”?

 

[Flabert]

What is BS ? The video condemning Project 2025 or Project 2025 ?

Probably both are BS. Project 25 seems dumb and the people obsessed by it are dumb or disingenuous too. It is *not* something supported by Trump or his main funding sources.

 

[Womaniser]

Extremes on both sides of the abortion debate have lost their mind but both sides have people with genuine respectable beliefs.

I am pro-choice and I eat meat but feel queezy about partial birth abortions or poorly run slaughterhouses.

Is partial birth abortions what Trump is talking about when you say “killing newborns”?

Trump clearly told in a very recent rally that in Minnesota and at least an other state that it is legal (and DONE) to kill newborns as an alternative to medical abortion I suppose, another of his more than 100 000 lies !
I don't know what is partial abortion but he didn't tell these words.
He told kill after birth.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Both sides are a symptom of the same problem, both sides are imposing their beliefs onto others. Republicans want to ban abortion, Democrats want to force electric cars / climate change policies. The only sensible party is the Libertarian party. They will shrink government, cut all income taxes, be 100% for the individual so no bans on abortions, no forcing electric cars, no bans on meat, legalized prostitution, no involvement in wars in foreign countries, no covid mandates, etc..

 

[Flabert]

Trump clearly told in a very recent rally that in Minnesota and at least an other state that it is legal (and DONE) to kill newborns as an alternative to medical abortion I suppose, another of his more than 100 000 lies !
I don't know what is partial abortion but he didn't tell these words.
He told kill after birth.

That is one of the elements of partial birth abortion, you trigger “birth” then kill the baby during or after. It sounds horrible but it can make sense say if the life of the mother is endangered by a baby that is far along or if the baby is not viable (but still alive).

The US is fairly unique in that in some states there is no limit to how old the fetus can be for a run of the mill abortion (I typed baby but corrected myself because a fetus is not a baby to some).

In Canada we limit it at 25 weeks I believe. 16 weeks in some European countries.

The thing with politicians is that they take complicated issues and try to make them simple and obvious. In Trump’s case here what he said is “true” but misleading.

 

[Flabert]

Both sides are a symptom of the same problem, both sides are imposing their beliefs onto others. Republicans want to ban abortion, Democrats want to force electric cars / climate change policies. The only sensible party is the Libertarian party. They will shrink government, cut all income taxes, be 100% for the individual so no bans on abortions, no forcing electric cars, no bans on meat, legalized prostitution, no involvement in wars in foreign countries, no covid mandates, etc..

As I said before am pro-choice but you can’t take an obvious libertarian take on abortion because it depends of whether you classify the baby as a different person.

Even libertarians have to deal with edge-cases. Can anyone walk into the US? Can child p*rn be banned? Can I drive a truck down the highway without a license?

All in all I agree with you that moving to more personal freedom without going to extremes is the right thing to do.