Weapons in USA

[sene5hos]

your vendetta against the Conservatives.

This is not what I call a vendetta, they are simply observations.

Good for you if you like Republicans, that's your right.

But what do you want I'm against the use of assault weapons by everyone, I'm for gun control, I'm for abortion, I was for vaccination, for wearing a mask, in short I'm against everything Republicans say.

For weapons alone, Trump received 30 million from the NRA.

And what about his brilliant ideas to destroy the covid.

It's was my last comment.

 

[Bbw hunter]

Why Republicans Won’t Budge on Guns (Published 2022)

Polls show that the overwhelming majority of Americans support some restrictions on firearms, but G.O.P. lawmakers fear they would pay a steep political price for embracing them.

www.nytimes.com

Why Republicans Won’t Budge on Guns.

Polls show that the overwhelming majority of Americans support some restrictions on firearms, but G.O.P. lawmakers fear they would pay a steep political price for embracing them.

You can whine all you want about gun control and the 2nd Amendment but here is some harsh reality for you: you Leftists completely overplayed your hand on this issue by supporting/enabling BLM/Antifa thugs as they ran amok for months all over America during the George Floyd "protests".
Good luck getting Americans to give up their guns after that.

 

[CLOUD 500]

^^^^^
Stop twisting my words. You are very manipulative or you got comprehension problems. You did the same thing with Fradi's post. Reread what I wrote or all my other posts. How many times do I got to tell you, I am neither for Liberals or Conservatives. I am for freedom and liberty. I am for the individual. You on the other hand are a Statist. There are many like you who still believe there is a difference between left and right. Vendetta? Are you sure about that? You got a bunch of threads about Trump and post daily about him. You support authoritarianism if it is in the Liberal's agenda, in fact you support all in the Liberal's agenda whether it is bad or not. Nuff said.

 

[Fradi]

But what do you want I'm against the use of assault weapons by everyone, I'm for gun control, I'm for abortion, I was for vaccination, for wearing a mask, in short I'm against everything Republicans say.

So which is it? In your previous post you claim you are not biased.
Here you say you are against everything Republicans say.
I suggest you look up what biased actually means lol.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

For people like Fradi who insist on "Both Sides" the resistance to gun control, here's another (in a million) data point:

Kennisgeving voor omleiding

 

[CLOUD 500]

Those who are for gun control except for the government.

 

[CLOUD 500]

A dangerous violent man seeked out in Toronto in a shootout. He is armed and dangerous. I am sure he got his guns legally. Trudeau's handgun ban will work so well. Lol

Man wanted for 2021 Victoria Day weekend shootout in North York

Toronto Police have released the image of a suspect wanted in a shooting incident from just over a year ago.

torontosun.com

 

[Fradi]

^^^^
This kind of gun violence you will never stop anyway no matter what kind of laws you introduce.
Criminal gangs will always find access to illegal guns. Luckily they are only interested in killing each other saves the justice system a bit of money and space in jails.
This is not what gun control is about and these guys were probably not using assault rifles either. They were not killing innocent children in schools or people in shopping malls.

 

[sene5hos]

Here you say you are against everything Republicans say.

Not all, but almost.
Like = Trump, Pence, Cruz, De Santis, Abbott, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Josh Hawley, Rand Paul, etc..etc.. etc..

 

[CLOUD 500]

@Fradi
True but often innocent ppl get caught in the crossfire, in the last two years I read several ppl caught in the fire between gang members settling of accounts.

Girl, 15, killed in drive-by was newcomer who came to Montreal to study and live with sister

The 15-year-old girl who was fatally shot in a drive-by attack on Sunday had come to Quebec from Algeria to study, say people in her community.

beta.ctvnews.ca

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-biker-war-victim-daniel-desrochers-11-remembered-20-years-later-1.3184885

There are many others. Cannot think of them now.

 

[Womaniser]

A dangerous violent man seeked out in Toronto in a shootout. He is armed and dangerous. I am sure he got his guns legally. Trudeau's handgun ban will work so well. Lol

Man wanted for 2021 Victoria Day weekend shootout in North York

Toronto Police have released the image of a suspect wanted in a shooting incident from just over a year ago.

torontosun.com

Trudeau is a dishonest idiot in his firearms positions.
He knows his disinformation campaign work with the majority of the population.
He almost certainly knows that the proposed law will do nothing against illegal owners of handguns.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Trudeau is a dishonest idiot in his firearms positions.
He knows his disinformation campaign work with the majority of the population.
He almost certainly knows that the proposed law will do nothing against illegal owners of handguns.

Exactly

 

[suikoden_45]

Here's another perspective on the gun debate from a TEDx, shows how much mental health, family and friends weigh in:

 

[Womaniser]

Here's another perspective on the gun debate from a TEDx, shows how much mental health, family and friends weigh in:

Speaking of family, a 2 years old kid playing with his father handgun shot him in the back and killed him.
Evidently, the hangun was loaded and not stored securely.
The mother is charged with Manslaughter.
I don't have much sympathy for the man or his wife but hope the kid will not be traumatised in his teem or adult life.
Probably not because of his young age.

 

[gaby]

L'État de N.YORK restreint l'accès aux armes à feu----semi automatiques et chargeurs à grande capacité sont limités--- aux 21 ans et plus.....aussi exigera un permis qui permettra de vérifier les antécédents.....BRAVO à la GOUVERNEURE...
N.YORK devient ainsi le 7ème état---majoritairement démocrates---à prendre de telles mesures.

 

[sene5hos]

Matthew McConaughey calls for gun control action at White House

Academy Award--winning actor Matthew McConaughey took center stage at the White House briefing Tuesday to call on Congress to 'reach a higher ground' and pass gun control legislation in honor of the children and teachers killed in last month's shooting rampage at an elementary school in his home...

www.ctvnews.ca

Academy Award--winning actor Matthew McConaughey took center stage at the White House briefing Tuesday to call on Congress to "reach a higher ground" and pass gun control legislation in honor of the children and teachers killed in last month's shooting rampage at an elementary school in his home town of Uvalde, Texas.

In a highly personal 22-minute speech, McConaughey offered a full-throated exhortation for a gridlocked Congress to pass gun reforms that can save lives without infringing on Second Amendment rights.

McConaughey used his star power to make an argument for legislation in a fashion that the Biden administration has not been able to, offering a clear connection to the small Texas town and offering vivid detail on the sheer loss of the 19 children and two teachers in the second worst mass school shooting in U.S. history.

"We want secure and safe schools and we want gun laws that won't make it so easy for the bad guys to get the damn guns," McConaughey said.

 

[sene5hos]

120 people killed or injured by firearms in 48 hours in the USA.

 

[CaptRenault]

Here is columnist David Cole's "list of seven approved mass shooting causes." Feel free to pick your favorite one. I think all of them have been thoroughly covered in this thread.

“New Shooter New Shooter New Shooter!”

www.takimag.com

(1) Guns: The favored “why” among leftists. If only we had stricter, European-style gun laws, these things wouldn’t keep happening!

(2) Broken families: With so much divorce and single parenthood, what else do you expect but mass shootings?

(3) Untreated mental illness: If only we could lock up the loons, we’d be safe.

(4) Overtreated mental illness: Thanks to Big Pharma, parents warp their kids’ minds with unnecessary meds.

(5) Media: Violent vidja games! Violent movies! 4Chan! And the evening news, which glorifies shooters and creates copycats.

(6) Fail male: “Society” is failing our boys. Our villages no longer raise up men!

(7) Failed safeguards: Schools unguarded, tips unheeded.

After examining these favorite causes, Cole concludes that it would be best to focus on number 7, "failed safeguards." I agree.

Failed safeguards: To me, this is the one to focus on, because it dispenses with the “whys.” It cuts through the debate. Whatever the “why,” just stop it from happening. Iron Dome doesn’t care why a missile was fired.

Ever since Oct. 1, 1997, when vice principal Joel Myrick stopped the Pearl, Miss., high school shooting by holding his Colt .45 to the teen shooter’s head, the second best way to stop a school shooting has been well-known. The first best is prevention. The Pearl shooter had leaked his plan in advance to his friends (as 48 percent of shooters do), but they told no one.

Armed professionals on campus and tips to law enforcement are not panaceas, but they’re the intelligent response of a society dealing with a phenomenon with no single cause (and after Covid, leftists have totally lost the right to say “we can’t terrorize schoolchildren just to keep them safe”). Still, armed guards and law enforcement tip lines don’t work when the armed professionals bumble like the Keystone Cops and the FBI puts shooting threats on the back burner as it devotes its resources to politicized witch hunts.

As we marvel at the police clusterfuck in Uvalde, remember that during Columbine, cops waited two hours before they entered the building where the shooting took place, and it took another hour to find the killers dead in the library. Following the outcry over the slow response, police nationwide were supposed to train regularly for such shootings. Apparently, the Uvalde cops did train, but poorly. If every police department in the country can be monitored for “diversity,” perhaps the quality of school shooting response training can be monitored too.

Also, it’d be great if the FBI could pause the partisan political ax-grinding for at least a few minutes a day to follow up on shooting tips.

And maybe we should stop arguing about the “whys,” because while they all may be to some degree valid, none is a magic bullet.

Pushing ideologically pleasing fixes makes for some damn fine tweeting…but in terms of real-world helpfulness, it’s of limited value.

 

[CaptRenault]

120 people killed or injured by firearms in 48 hours in the USA.

And I am sure that almost all of the incidents involved black males shooting at other blacks.

It Seemed Like a Good Idea at the Time

www.takimag.com

On this, the second anniversary of the death of George Floyd, the evidence is now overwhelming: American elites have blood on their hands for their hysterical response to a local police blotter incident that has since brought about many thousands of incremental dead bodies on the pavement. The Floyd fiasco has been the domestic policy equivalent of the Iraq invasion: a massive, self-inflicted national wound.

The proof is in the simultaneous eruption, once the great and the good turned sharply against the police during the mostly peaceful protests, in not just black-on-black shootings, but also in black traffic fatalities. It turns out that cops being made afraid to pull over black reckless drivers and jaywalkers leads more blacks to drive badly and/or pack a pistol.

Here’s a graph I drew up of the monthly per-capita rate of deaths by homicide from 2014 to 2020. I set the non-Hispanic white average of 2010–2014 to one so that you can easily see the racial ratios. Try to pick out when the “racial reckoning” that is being celebrated today began:

As you can see, according to the Centers for Disease Control’s WONDER database that tracks the causes of death written on all the death certificates in the country, the chance of an individual black dying violently at the hands of another human being was about 7 to 8 times the chance of a white dying by homicide back in relatively peaceful 2014.

(Unlike the FBI, the CDC measures who dies violently, but not who kills. Blacks commit a higher proportion of interracial murder than do other races, but most murders are intraracial, so measures of victims and perpetrators tend to go up and down more or less together. Also, the CDC does a better job than the FBI of disentangling Hispanics from whites.)

But then the Black Lives Matter movement began to win local victories over police departments, first in the St. Louis area, and then Baltimore, Chicago, and so forth. In the last two years of the Obama administration, the Ferguson Effect drove the black rate up to 8 to 10 times the white rate.

During the first few years of the Trump administration, this unfortunate trend was halted, but the black murder rate remained high.

Then the press and politicians went berserk in late May 2020, egging on rioters and depressing law enforcement. The Floyd Effect drove black homicides to skyrocket, peaking in July 2020 at over 15 times the white rate in 2010–2014, and remaining at an unprecedented ratio for the rest of the year.

Hispanic and white deaths by homicide also were unusually high in the second half of 2020, but not the murders of Asians (despite the Narrative that Trump’s March 2020 comments about the “Chinese virus” unleashed a frenzy of violence against Asians).

When the press is forced to admit that murders exploded in 2020, they blame it on Covid and leave George Floyd’s sacred name out of it.

...
n March 2020, blacks were 8.7 times more likely to die by homicide than whites in 2010–2014, then 10.2 times in April, both in the normal range since the Great Awokening. With the huge eruption in violence in late May following Floyd’s death, the ratio hit 12.6 (the first time the black death-by-homicide rate exceeded 12 since 9/11), followed by 14.4 in June, a record 15.5 in July, and remained above 13 for the rest of the year.

As a million thinkpieces are saying today, something changed in May 2020...

 

[CLOUD 500]

Speaking of family, a 2 years old kid playing with his father handgun shot him in the back and killed him.
Evidently, the hangun was loaded and not stored securely.
The mother is charged with Manslaughter.
I don't have much sympathy for the man or his wife but hope the kid will not be traumatised in his teem or adult life.
Probably not because of his young age.

This is not not a gun issue, this is an issue of carelessness. A gun is a tool like any other. Many workers working in construction, welding, elevators must all follow strict safety protocols because the machines can be deadly. Same for handguns. Do not blame the gun, blame the owner. A gun should not be even loaded especially in the presence of kids and a gun should be on safety by default. But course the left will politically hijack this issue. The hypocrisy of the left: Arm Ukraine. Good job. Arm citizens. Bad job.