Coronavirus

[EagerBeaver]

I am sure if you have a pulse you have seen it by now- the now legendary debate on Friday on live TV between Andrew Ross Sorkin and Rick Santelli. My question to you guys is, who was the winner?

(a) Sorkin, by unanimous decision
(b) Santelli, by unanimous decision
(c) Draw
(d) Split decision to Sorkin
(e) Split decision to Santelli

The now viral debate starts at the 1:30 mark of the video, although you may want to listen to Santelli's opening remarks before the fireworks start:

 

[CaptRenault]

Is anyone else sick of the phrase “the new normal?” I am and so is Spiked columnist Brendan O’Neill:

Down with the New Normal

Who wants to live in a nerdy world of no handshakes and no big sweaty crowds?

www.spiked-online.com

...what we are witnessing in all the talk of the new normal is an intensification of trends that have been apparent for quite a while. From safe sex to safe spaces on campus, from the depiction of a boozy come-on as a threat to one’s physical safety to the growing cult of germophobia, the elitist insistence that other people are a threat has been around for some time. Other people’s words will hurt you; sex with them could kill you; their wolf-whistle on the street is a dagger to the heart of your self-esteem. So you had better hide in this safe space that forcefields you from disagreeable ideas, always wear a condom, and phone the police if a stranger tells you you look fit. Misanthropic suspicion of others has been the meat of public-heath agitation and the political class’s nanny statism for years — the Covid crisis is merely taking it all to the next level.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Giuliani has Covid 19:

Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani admitted to hospital with Covid-19

Rudy Giuliani has been leading the Trump campaign's legal challenges to the 2020 election results.

www.bbc.com

 

[IamNY]

Looks like Covid-19 vaccines made in America will be prioritized for Americans first:

Trump to sign coronavirus vaccine executive order prioritizing Americans over foreign nations

EXCLUSIVE: President Trump is expected to sign an executive order Tuesday that will ensure all Americans have access to the coronavirus vaccine before the U.S. government begins aiding nations around the world, Fox News has learned.

www.foxnews.com

 

[IamNY]

More good news for Americans. Trump will use the Defense Production Act if needed for vaccine distribution:

While seeking credit for vaccine, Trump says he may invoke Defense Production Act

U.S. President Donald Trump said on Tuesday he would invoke the Defense Production Act if needed to ensure Americans are first in line for domestically produced coronavirus vaccines at a summit designed to give him and his team credit for speedy vaccine development.

www.reuters.com

 

[Fradi]

This of course should endear Americans to the rest of the world.
On the one hand it is understandable on the other it will not make them a good citizen with the rest of the world.
Not one country likes to see their citizens dying waiting in line for a life saving drug.

 

[IamNY]

The world already hates Americans so there’s no love lost there. I think this is more of the ongoing fight that Trump has had with big pharmaceutical companies and it’s his way to prevent American companies to have their vaccine going to the highest bidder instead of Americans First. Being an American I’m certainly not going to look negatively at getting vaccinated first. But I could certainly see a company like Pfizer trying to focus on their profits first and not giving a shit about Americans.

 

[Zaeballo]

No need to worry, with Biden it will likely be Americans last.

 

[Fradi]

Not a big issue we will just get the Sputnik V, perhaps it will not only protect you but you may grow an extra dick in the process.
If it is good enough for Putin’s daughter we shouldn’t worry.

 

[Zaeballo]

Not a big issue we will just get the Sputnik V, perhaps it will not only protect you but you may grow an extra dick in the process.

It may as well turn you into Belka or Strelka.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

it’s his way to prevent American companies to have their vaccine going to the highest bidder instead of Americans First.

First , if the world is not safe with a world vaccination, America will never be safe. Secondly, the highest bidder to steal masks and PPE from other countries were americans. Trump doesn't care about americans' safety. He is just a sore loser who lost again from what he tought was HIS Supreme Court as it is actualy Supreme Court of US. The only thing Trump cares about is himself. When his supporters will understand this ,America will be great again. but a lot of damage has been done.

 

[IamNY]

First , if the world is not safe with a world vaccination, America will never be safe. Secondly, the highest bidder to steal masks and PPE from other countries were americans. Trump doesn't care about americans' safety. He is just a sore loser who lost again from what he tought was HIS Supreme Court as it is actualy Supreme Court of US. The only thing Trump cares about is himself. When his supporters will understand this ,America will be great again. but a lot of damage has been done.

I have no idea what your talking about. America will never be safe? What does that mean? masks and PPE have nothing to do with what I'm talking about. How does Trump being a sore loser have anything to do with him ensuring Americans are vaccinated first? Supreme court? C'mon man, your all over the place. I gave my opinion about big pharmaceutical companies and their ridiculous greed. You on the other hand made it into an anti American/Trump thing which had nothing to do with my original post.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

It is obvious some can't walk and chew gum at the same time. It is very simple, repeat after me I T I S V E R Y S I M P L E. A lot of Trump's supporters a minority (after all they lost) but a bunch do not believe in this COVID pandemy. They gather, no mask, no social distancing and a lot will no get the vaccine for political ideological purposes. Even building a big beautifull, the most magnificent wall around USA... will not prevent americans coming back from countries with less access to the vaccines to bring back the virus. Unless people from outside USA also have access to the vaccines. If you don't get it, I give up!

 

[Zaeballo]

^ I think you are slightly confused here. People do discuss vaccines in this thread, but they are COVID-19 vaccines, TDS is being discussed elsewhere.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Not just Republicans, a clip I found


Still, the hundreds of responses from Republicans and Democrats that did express these views highlight a growing divide among partisans about coronavirus-related restrictions and safety measures. In June, 77% of Democrats – compared with 45% of Republicans – said they were very or somewhat concerned that they might unknowingly spread COVID-19 to others. And nearly two-thirds of Democrats (64%) were very or somewhat concerned that they would personally get COVID-19 and require hospitalization, while just 35% of Republicans expressed the same concern. In the same survey, Democrats were about twice as likely as Republicans to say that people in their community should always wear a mask (63% vs. 29%).

At the same time, the Center has also found that majorities in both parties say they are making regular use of masks, even if some may be skeptical about their effectiveness. In August, 92% of Democrats and 76% of Republicans said that they had worn a mask or face covering when in stores or other businesses most or all of the time during the prior month.

Republicans, Democrats differ on why masks are a downside of COVID-19 | Pew Research Center

 

[IamNY]

It is obvious some can't walk and chew gum at the same time. It is very simple, repeat after me I T I S V E R Y S I M P L E. A lot of Trump's supporters a minority (after all they lost) but a bunch do not believe in this COVID pandemy. They gather, no mask, no social distancing and a lot will no get the vaccine for political ideological purposes. Even building a big beautifull, the most magnificent wall around USA... will not prevent americans coming back from countries with less access to the vaccines to bring back the virus. Unless people from outside USA also have access to the vaccines. If you don't get it, I give up!

Uhm, Pfizer, vaccine, etc. Seriously have no idea what your talking about. You will probably have a better time in the anti Trump threads. I'm talking about Pfizer and vaccines, not, well, whatever it is your talking about.

Merry Christmas

 

[The Nature Boy]

Even Trump's Chief Science Adviser Is Confused by That Vaccine Executive Order (Video)

We feel you, Dr. Slaoui

www.thewrap.com

He should stick with pardons for his family

 

[hungry101]

Where are these people? Trump carried my county for example and every place I go people are wearing masks at
The supermarket and big box stores. Are only the better informed Biden supporters going out? When I go down state I see everyone is wearing a mask. You can tell the Democrats. They’re the ones wearing a mask inside the car driving down the highway or out riding a bike wearing a mask...but they have the benefit of science. BTW, you can question the effectiveness of the mask while still wearing them.

 

[hungry101]

I thought you would be interested in this story I found on MSN: Los Angeles restaurant owner calls out COVID lockdown hypocrisy http://a.msn.com/05/en-us/BB1bIclY?ocid=sms

This is about a California restaurant owner. The state shut dow their outdoor dining and yet a Hollywood shoot on location was allowed to set up catering adjacent to her patio. Science doesn’t back this. This is just arbitrary. Watch the video.

I heard today that the California restaurant owners got a temporary injunction from an LA judge to stop the party of science from enforcing this Non-Science based feel good measure.

let these sanctimonious assholes make decisions for you and this is what you get. An LA judge has said you need to do a cost benefit analysis. I don’t know of any data to support this.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

This is about a California restaurant owner. The state shut dow their outdoor dining and yet a Hollywood shoot on location was allowed to set up catering adjacent to her patio. Science doesn’t back this. This is just arbitrary. Watch the video.

What is not arbitrary, are the 2,000 reported deaths so far today in USA
What is not arbitrary is that Germany has 24 deaths by 100,000 residents
What is not arbitrary is that USA as 87 deaths by 100,000 residents
What is not arbitrary is that Trump who is actually doing nothing against COVID, mocks Germany for record day in deaths. He prefers to falsely claim being a victim and simply doesn't do his job as president. Peoples (81 millions) decided to fired him and adults will be in the WH soon. But lot of damages to fix.

Reporting news is ok, reporting important and meaningfull ones is much serious. Just a question of credibility...