Coronavirus

[Fradi]

If I was Cuomo I wouldn’t take this Supreme Court decision lying down.
He should immediately close down all New York airports in retaliation as it is obvious all these people flying in are Catholics and Jews trying to attend religious services now that the court has ruled in their favour.

 

[The Nature Boy]

It seems like some are politicizing the Supreme Court decision. Those comparing this to other movements and who may feel as if their “bathed in Jesus blood” are more likely bathing in a pool of their own semen and moisturizer. Even the pope wrote an op ed about how he’s on side of science.

Cuomos decision to take the action he did was based on large, non socially distanced gatherings in the Hasidic Jewish community. There was one wedding with over 1000 people expected to attend, lol. Wtf? You can claim shit like we want to give people the ability to make their own decisions but when they are not, what are you supposed to do? I guess Cuomo coulda shut that community religious gathering down and maintained others who are having gatherings which are socially distanced and having people wearing masks. I’m not really for punishing everyone for one group not goin along

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[Fradi]

They should move the religious sermons into airport waiting areas and have travelling priests and rabbis on airplanes
Problem solved, where there is a will there is a way.
Cuomo is a fucking hypocrite of the highest order, everything he does is to benefit Cuomo at a later stage in his career.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

More light reading.

Hajdu slanders journalist as “dangerous” and “fake news”

Liberal Health Minister Patty Hajdu slandered Anthony Furey as “dangerous” and “fake news” during Thursday’s question period for shining a light on recent coronavirus data.

tnc.news

 

[EagerBeaver]

I still don't understand why religions cannot conduct their services through Zoom just as all businesses are. Cuomo did act because NY does have large enclaves of Orthodox Jews in NYC, Westchester and Rockland Counties and they have been assembling in a manner that completely disregards all reasonable Covid protocols. Why do you think we are dealing with the surge we are dealing with? It's because certain people have not followed any reasonable protocols and have caused massive superspread events that become a problem for everyone. It's the same reason that Governor Lamont enacted the $10,000 fine executive order- you have a few bad apples that caused massive super spread events like the Hamden club that allowed a fistfight in their parking lot with 500 maskless onlookers that cops took over 30 minutes to disburse. The Hamden club was shut down but those incidents are why we have the $10,000 fine rule. People were shocked that something like that could happen but this is what happens when people are left to their own devices and laws are not being followed. Organized religions are businesses and they hold events to make money and they should be following the same rules as everyone else and not hiding behind constitutional provisions that have absolutely no application to these circumstances. Theirbright of assembly is NOT being interfered with. Everyone is free to do business and assemble online

 

[Fradi]

EB,
First I am not religious and have no stake in this but I can understand both Catholics and Jews being pissed at not being allowed more than 10 people in their house of worship ( yes this has been changed but it could have been reversed anytime) while it is ok to have thousands in crowded airport lounges, over 100 on flights with little distancing or none and most box stores operating almost at full capacity and having all schools open to name just a few that make no sense.
Either you try to apply fair rules for everyone and rules that can be understood or it won’t work.

Unfortunately most governments politicians try to apply hybrid solutions that seem to show they are doing something and doing a lot of political posturing as well for future considerations.
Basically Cuomo is a fucking hypocrite and people are wise to him and they challenged him in court.

 

[EagerBeaver]

EB,
First I am not religious and have no stake in this but I can understand both Catholics and Jews being pissed at not being allowed more than 10 people in their house of worship ( yes this has been changed but it could have been reversed anytime) while it is ok to have thousands in crowded airport lounges, over 100 on flights with little distancing or none

OK I will agree with this as I personally flew to Florida end of September due to a family emergency and what you said about airports and flights was 100% correct- I was in 3 airports, Hartford, Philadelphia and Tampa, Philadelphia was the absolute worst as far as crowds and American Eagle flights had zero social distancing. So the airline industry is getting a pass but the only reason I was traveling was an emergency. Honestly I don't know how I traveled through all
of that and didn't get Covid, but I did obtain 2 negative tests and quarantined 14 days on my return, and it was a legit quarantine under our rules.

 

[EagerBeaver]

One thing though- I don't think the States can regulate the airline industry, the Federal Government does (the FAA) so that comparison doesn't make Cuomo a hypocrite because he has no power to regulate the airline industry as far as I know.

 

[Fradi]

You are correct the FAA controls the airline industry although I am not sure whether or not a Governor of the sate has the power to shut down an airport due to a pandemic seeing as this situation has never come up.
This is kind of touchy as people coming in and infecting others through airports doesn’t have much to do with the usual stuff the FAA deals with.
It would be interesting to know who has the right to do this.

 

[IamNY]

One thing though- I don't think the States can regulate the airline industry, the Federal Government does (the FAA) so that comparison doesn't make Cuomo a hypocrite because he has no power to regulate the airline industry as far as I know.

What makes governor Cuomo a hypocrite is having his mother over for Thanksgiving while telling everyone else not to do it. He did walk it back and not have his mother over, but it's total hypocrisy. It's ok for the mama's boy governor to see his mom but not anybody else in the state of NY. Do as I say, not as I do!

Gov. Cuomo blasted as a hypocrite for inviting his 89-year-old mother to Thanksgiving dinner

He has now reportedly changed his holiday plans

www.theblaze.com

 

[IamNY]

You are correct the FAA controls the airline industry although I am not sure whether or not a Governor of the sate has the power to shut down an airport due to a pandemic seeing as this situation has never come up.
This is kind of touchy as people coming in and infecting others through airports doesn’t have much to do with the usual stuff the FAA deals with.
It would be interesting to know who has the right to do this.

What is happening in NY airports is the National Guard is greeting every traveler with questions, forms to fill out, etc. Big brother is watching you! Dressed in their camouflage outfits trying to intimidate you into giving them information that you don't have to. Only problem is that they really can't ask for identification, verify your travel history, etc. because this is a free country and your free to travel where you want to travel within the 50 states. So you can basically tell them anything you want, give a fake number, name etc and be on you way without being put into a government database. International travel is different I guess. But if your traveling internationally now you deserve to be scrutinized.

Cuomo Increasing National Guard Presence at NY Airports to Stop Untested Travelers From Entry

Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Friday he’d increase National Guard presence at New York airports to enforce new COVID entry test requirements ahead of the holiday season, as he tries to fight back the state’s biggest viral increases in months. Acknowledging the aggressiveness of the measure, Cuomo said...

www.nbcnewyork.com

 

[hungry101]

EB is right about one thing: You can probably worship by zoom. Hell, I remember mass for shut-ins being televised for 50 years. You cannot do communion but there are many things you can do via zoom. Maybe this is what those leftist politicians are thinking?

On the other hand, you cannot loot a Target or burn a Wendy’s via zoom. Nor can you topple a statue, etc. So that is why they allow these mostly peaceful protests to continue unabated. After all, as many of the politicians and the media have been saying, you can replace the brick and mortar. We can also replace the statues with images of real hero’s like Caitlyn Jenner, The artist formally known as Prince, and St. George Floyd and that poor unfortunate sole that was minding his own business by trying to sleep off a drunk in the Wendy’s drive through. You know, the guy that was released early from prison for child cruelty and false imprisonment because the authorities were worried that he may catch Covid? What’s his name? The serial felon that resisted arrest and tried to tase an officer with the cop’s own weapon and the bastards shot him? I can’t think of this poor guys name but build a statue to this saint of a great man.

 

[Fradi]

My issue is not with shutting down religious places of worship it is that you do things in a fair and equitable way.
None of this BS of there are rules for me and then there are rules for you.

I also agree with Hungry that society has gone insane with idolizing criminals because they happen to be black and holding people in high esteem like Caitlin Jenner who was a fabulous athlete and a decent looking guy but right now simply put is an ugly broad, it is his life and if he is happy that is fine but to idolize him because he cut off his dick, wtf.
Two of my favourite singers were Elvis Presley and Micheal Jackson the best entertainer that I have seen but I don’t idolize them they were sad and broken human beings in need of pity not thought of as heroes.
It is this whole politically correct bullshit and self loathing that I hate.

I had nothing to do with slavery, I am not a racist stop trying to make me feel ashamed of being born white.
Don‘t fucking call me entitled you have no idea what I went through in my life, I worked my ass off for what I have.
I will not apologize for something I had nothing to do with I don’t care if the football team is called the Washington Redskins or Redbirds I didn’t give them the name I don’t even live in the US, that was their name for over 50 years.
I don’t give a shit because someone wants to change a street name because he looked up some 100 year old document and found out the guys grandfather was involved in slavery, not my battle.
I don’t want to right the wrongs of 100 years ago I had nothing to do with it.
Unfortunately this is the kind of crap you read on a daily basis today in the news.
Instead of going out and protesting and looting and burning maybe some of these guys could find a job take care of their family send there kids to university so they can find meaningful employment and not have to loot stores to have a large screen tv.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

^^^^^ What he said.

 

[Fradi]

At least we will have a good idea of the early side affects here by the time we get to see one of the vaccines.
Our Prime minister is probably off at some Indian wedding taking selfies. Got to make use of his wardrobe that he acquired during his trip there.
He told us to wear masks social distance and that we are in control of our destiny so his job is done.
Legault will let us dance in the streets and he will play the spoons if we promise to vote for him come next election so we should be thankful we are in such good hands.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

I live in Florida,

I work in BC, get some cloud (NO umbrella) everyday when I drive my truck. In addition I consume a lot of rum, and also take a daily spoonful of good quality weed. I am 64 and my health is pretty ify. I do also make sure I get plenty of DQ blizzards and capers which one needs to pretty much ruin all systems of the body. Good BJ goes a long way to keeping one healthy, along with Mc fries, fresh OJ, PS4 and good spanking.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Found this. Interesting

Interesting break down of statistics. Facts - not opinion. Last year the Flu accounted for 3.17% of all deaths in Canada. This year Covid accounts for 3.6% of all deaths in Canada. (Keep in mind the 3.6% crosses over what is considered a "season" so its a little difficult to be 100% accurate. Plus, this includes numbers from March/April when it peaked we didn't know much what was going on) CTV reported that 98% of all deaths in Canada were in Long Term and Palliative care homes. Think about that. Palliative care (and to some extent long term care) is simply comforting people until they die and, if they become ill, do not treat them. 2% of the deaths (again CTV) were from the general population outside of care homes. Lets do some math. 87% of those 2% of deaths were people who had at least 2 moderate to severe health issues (CDC Stat), and another 7% had 1 moderate to severe health issue (CDC stat). So you have (87% + 7% = 94%) of the 2% of all deaths were ill people. If you do the math, that means that only 14 (YES 14) supposedly healthy people not in an end-of-life home and not sick with some other moderate to severe condition succumbed to covid, in all of Canada, over the last year. Even if you remove the illness factor from the 2 percent and assume they were all healthy, that's 228 people. 25% of all children who die from the flu were vaccinated 33% of all adults who have died from the flu were vaccinated. The flu visits us every year and has killed over 70,000 Canadians in the last 20 years, that's with a vaccine. (using a conservative 3500 a year average) In the 2020 flu season, deaths are zero. In the first week of November, not one province or territory in Canada reported a single patient hospitalized with the flu. Make what you want of this.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

May as well add one more, like this one a lot.

 

[cloudsurf]

I think the scariest factor about COVID is the unknown factor. It appears to spread easier than the common flue so it can strike anywhere and anytime with unpredictable consequences. The biggest fear after surviving COVID are the chronic effects it has on your body and major organs. Stats don`t tell the whole story , but nice effort SolT .

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

^^^^^ How can chronic long term effects be guaged since there are no long term cases?

Just one article

Lung damage could be permanent for some coronavirus patients, but new scans show significant healing after 12 weeks

COVID-19 patients have showed signs of lung damage six weeks after leaving the hospital. But many saw their CT scans improve after 12 weeks.

www.businessinsider.com

Some of you need to understand thatbwhen they say CAN it does not mean WILL when specialists give their opinion. Can is an easy out when it does noy happen, may is a good one also.

More info, numbers do matter if you can understand them.

Beyond the numbers: Who is dying of COVID in Canada, and how?

We risk growing numb to the numbers — the daily summary of tests, cases and deaths. And doctors still don't fully comprehend the 'crapshoot' nature of the…

montrealgazette.com