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hungry101

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LA County Supervisor Sheila Kuehl votes to ban outdoor dining because “its not safe” and immediately is caught dining outdoors at her favorite restaurant that very evening.

 
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LA County Supervisor Sheila Kuehl votes to ban outdoor dining because “its not safe” and immediately is caught dining outdoors at her favorite restaurant that very evening.

Do as I say, not as I do!
 

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Dr. Joseph Varon hugs and comforts a patient in the COVID-19 intensive care unit (ICU) during U.S. Thanksgiving at the United Memorial Medical Center on November 26, 2020 in Houston.

Image like this touch me.

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Wall Street Journal columnist Holman Jenkins has been writing about the pandemic since the early days of its discovery and spread. He takes a contrarian view of the disease, as compared to most other media members. He takes the pandemic very seriously and he fully supports the extraordinary program to develop a vaccine as rapidly as possible.

But he is skeptical of the the obsession with counting "confirmed cases" and the possibility of accurately measuring the true extent of a disease that is highly contagious yet is also often (though not always) asymptomatic or has only mild symptoms, similar to colds and the flu.

Covid Was Hiding Among Colds and Flus
Too much focus on Washington and magic fixes has impeded grass-roots adaptation.

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By Holman W. Jenkins, Jr.
Nov. 27, 2020

Here are some Covid realities that we’ve long alluded to that might be useful to spell out in the current surge.

U.S. government scientists now estimate that 40% of cases are asymptomatic and 80% of symptomatic cases are mild—in short, 88% of subjects don’t know they are infected or have no great incentive to find out if they are suffering from Covid or some more familiar bug.

An American adult typically suffers two colds a year, while school-age children may suffer 10 or more, and 20 million of us get the flu. A conservative estimate, then, is that 13 million Americans every day suffer from something not readily distinguishable from mild Covid (never mind asymptomatic Covid).
This perhaps explains why, despite conducting 186 million tests since the plague arrived, we’ve found only 12.7 million cases. Most who have Covid aren’t getting tested; among those seeking tests the large majority are suffering from something that isn’t Covid.

The implications have been slow to sink in. Embarrassing as America’s early testing fumbles were, the consequences were likely small. The odds were heavily against us being able to detect multiple outbreaks, seeded here and there by travelers from overseas, amid millions of colds and flus. (Indeed, false positives from every kind of test would have swamped any effort to identify Covid cases before they reached a critical mass.)

Government should have quickly freed the market to supply the diagnostic testing that the public demanded, but such testing was never a means to control the epidemic or even measure it. Maybe 186 million tests a week would do the trick, but not over nine months.

Though Donald Trump and the media enjoy obsessing about each other, a Washington fix was never in the cards beyond mobilizing supplies and expediting a vaccine. The job was always going to fall on the shoulders of 330 million Americans, with guidance from local leaders, to adapt to oscillating waves in their communities.

Recent British random testing revealed that 86% of Covid carriers were asymptomatic (at least for Covid) at the time of testing. An Italian study finds Covid was present in Europe three months before it exploded in Wuhan. The new virus was always more widespread and invisible than we wanted to realize. What causes it to explode suddenly on local hospital systems remains a puzzle. One lesson appears to be that a sensible strategy, rather than broad lockdowns, should focus narrowly on superspreading activities among the young and then the occasions by which the virus is transmitted to the elderly and vulnerable.

A wit once said war is too important to be left to the generals. In a similar vein, the political consequences of Covid are so dramatic that even experts have been bewitched by the imperative to mythologize the pandemic. A disease that infects 10 million people and kills 2.5% will kill the same number as a disease that infects 100 million and kills 0.25%, but they need to be approached differently. The latter is what we’ve been facing. The former is the picture we have been consistently painting for the public with our obsession with “confirmed cases.”

Such collective delusions don’t occur because every contrary wisp is silenced. Quite the opposite: The cat was constantly escaping the bag. Harvard’s Marc Lipsitch, a media favorite, was an early skeptic of the test-and-trace panacea given symptomless spread. In April Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker all but admitted to an uncomprehending radio reporter that such efforts were a show for the public.

A few leaders—Angela Merkel in Germany, New Jersey health chief Judith Persichilli—were clear that most citizens should expect to encounter the virus. But even German and New Jersey politicians have emphasized “confirmed” cases because it gives the illusion of control. Ditto the media, because the illusion of controllability allows politicians to be blamed for not controlling it.

No major U.S. media outlet has yet broken with this convention. In Britain, by contrast, two separate efforts have been under way for months using random testing to form a more realistic picture of the pandemic. Likewise, a U.S. Senate committee last week heard evidence that the drug hydroxychloroquine, instead of being a cure-all, is effective in the disease’s perversely untreated early stages. This was too much nuance for our press. It mostly reverted to the story line that HCQ is a useless drug that Mr. Trump promoted.

We have a media that overwhelmingly sees its job as repeating things, rather than finding things out and understanding them. A free press has been less of an asset in dealing with Covid than it might have been.
 
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CDC says 14-day quarantine best way to reduce Covid risk, but 10- and 7-day periods work in some cases
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/02...-10-and-7-day-periods-work-in-some-cases.html

KEY POINTS
  • The CDC still recommends a 14-day quarantine "as the best way to reduce the risk of spreading Covid-19."
  • However, the quarantine can end after 10 days if the person has not developed any symptoms and after just seven days if the asymptomatic person also tests negative for the virus, the CDC's Dr. Henry Walke said.
  • Public health specialists have been awaiting the change with "delighted anticipation," said Dr. Bill Schaffner, an epidemiologist at Vanderbilt University.
^^YES, would love to see a shortened Quarantine Period.
SO miss Traveling and this Hobby....


***WILL YOU GET THE VACCINE***
 

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Look behind you.
Legault just canceled Christmas...
For some maybe, not for me.
 
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Fradi

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Fuck Legault.
He has been an asshole along with Aruda all through this pandemic playing to public opinion only.
I will probably see my sons for Christmas, I haven’t seen them except on FaceTime for months.

He keeps schools open where there are 30 kids in front of every teacher with crowding in the halls sitting very close to each other on buses.
Every large store is full of shoppers but restaurants can’t open.
His half ass attempts are totally useless as can be seen by how the virus is spiking and he still hasn’t learned shit about how to control the virus even in CHSLD where people are not going anywhere or mingling with anybody except staff.
 
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Fuck Legault.
He has been an asshole along with Aruda all through this pandemic playing to public opinion only.
I will probably see my sons for Christmas, I haven’t seen them except on FaceTime for months.

He keeps schools open where there are 30 kids in front of every teacher with crowding in the halls sitting very close to each other on buses.
Every large store is full of shoppers but restaurants can’t open.
His half ass attempts are totally useless as can be seen by how the virus is spiking and he still hasn’t learned shit about how to control the virus even in CHSLD where people are not going anywhere or mingling with anybody except staff.

And the a-hole has the nerve to say he's made no errors

The death rate (per million) is 3x that of Ontario. The infection rate is worst than Ontario but not as much. In other words he continues to fail with the elderly.

I understand the frustration. If you play safe the odds are low. But on the other hand, January is going to be a shit-show in the hospitals and we are a few months away from the beginning of the end. Be safe !
 

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Fradi

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Wow what a revelation how on earth did Biden come up with this new concept of wearing a mask.
Did he by any chance receive this wonderful new piece of information from Dr Fauci of all people.
Now that he is saying it I am 100% certain every American is going to comply without question.
Finally they are making America great again.
 

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No right ...it's not a new concept....just a way to SAVE lifes durant cette terrible tragédie ;) .....and yes HE will listen and work with FAUCI :)......right not 100% will wear it BUT more more will in the next tough coming months.....that's what i call.... true LEADERSHIP;).
 

hungry101

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What does Biden have to say about Europe, especially Germany, where they wore the masks like their forefathers who wore the Nazi armband and they followed draconian lock down procedures and a massive 2nd wave happened anyway?

everywhere I go people are wearing masks but we have an outbreak anyway. Is the senile old coot sure that they are doing anything? I wear them but I have no idea. I just thank God that lethality of this disease is so low.
 
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Fradi

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I am so glad that all Americans will all now start wearing masks.
It took a forgetful old fart to convince them of this as apparently they are all mindless fools and cannot think for themselves.
Finally they have a leader that just by his word alone will ensure the safety of all Americans.
This is what I call leadership.
It is time they got rid of that crack pot Trump with his warp speed plans that now have 4 viable vaccines ready for approval.
Dont even bother using these vaccines Biden will talk them through what they need to do all they have to do is listen.
 

Fradi

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....and yes HE will listen and work with FAUCI :)......right not 100% will wear it BUT more more will in the next tough coming months
I seem to remember Trump listening also when Fauci said he does not recommend masks as that would lead people into a false sense of safety and it may just be even worse to wear a mask.
I guess you just need to wait with Fauci eventually he may just get it right and he might even tell you the truth of course you need to guess which is right and when he is telling the truth.
 

hungry101

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Yep. The guys has flip-flopped on everything.

The Dems may come up with an alternative. Either you wear a mask or you put one of those virtue signaling signs in your front yard that says “In this house we believe...”
 

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Fauci knew that masks work even when he told the public that they don`t.
He was trying to save the existing limited supply for health care workers.
China was buying up the world`s supply and Fauci was afraid of a toilet paper type run on masks by the public.
This was a hard decision with no good ending.
Now that there are enough masks everyone is encouraged to wear one by Fauci and every sane person. Only fools and those with a political agenda, don`t follow the science.
 

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The U.S. is still a (relatively) free country, so Biden is certainly within his right to share his immense wisdom with whoever is interested to listen to the old fart. As one can deduce from reading this thread, some people apparently are.
 

Fradi

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The old I only lied to protect you and it was for the good of everyone concerned.
It has a tendency to come back and bite you in the ass.
He stood along side of Trump many times and you could see it on his face that he was cringing at some of the things being said yet like a good little bobble head doll Fauci several times stepped up to the plate and nodded his approval.
I stopped having any kind of respect for him after that.
 

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Fauci lies about wearing masks but is given a pass and a new job at the Whitehouse. The president downplays the virus to prevent panic in the streets and it’s impeachment part 2.

The country has had enough of both of them. I think Fauci continuing in his role is a mistake. Washington is cleaning house, so they should clean house and let Fauci go back to his private practice. His over exposure and daily cable news interviews are played out. Biden is not clever enough to find someone new so maybe he can bring back someone from the Obama administration like all of his “original” cabinet picks.
 
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