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NESN broadcasters say that the automatic 10-game suspension is in the minor leagues only and it's at MLB's discretion. Not sure what they'll do but obviously at least 1 start.
Quote from another board which I wholeheartedly agree with regarding the Pineda ejection-
"Again, I blame MLB for weak enforcement of this rule, which has led to a sort of acceptance and a "truce" among managers that Farrell just broke. Didn't matter how "obvious" it was... he was going to put it somewhere (like many pitchers would) on a cold, windy night. Farrell was going to take him to task wherever it was."
Translation- Farrell is a weasel, so glad he is out of Toronto.
"Again, I blame MLB for weak enforcement of this rule, which has led to a sort of acceptance and a "truce" among managers that Farrell just broke. Didn't matter how "obvious" it was... he was going to put it somewhere (like many pitchers would) on a cold, windy night. Farrell was going to take him to task wherever it was."
Translation- Farrell is a weasel, so glad he is out of Toronto.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh BOYZZZZZZ!!!
Liar. I've never heard of Lester being accused of any such thing. But I love your infantile spelling...shows how REALLY pissed and humiliated you are. HE GOT CAUGHT CHEATING...Deal with it.
So much for Da Beav's claim that Farrell would be worried about any possible counteraction against his pitchers. Plainly Farrell was just waited for the idiot to show any sign of using pine tar and then he nailed his sir Pine Tar's dumb ass.
Geeeeeez, another one. Man-Up son. A Yankee got kicked out for cheating. You guys sound like 5 year olds in the back seat yelling "he did it first". Now all you guys do is make lame excuses after getting caught.
CHEATING PINE TAR PINEDA EJECTED What a huge smear of tar you can see at 1:01. Now that's Yankee Honor and Pride. :lol:
OMG Joe, you're the loudest mouth about cheating and now you say just ignore it altogether. The so-called truce does not include any idiot player going so far that he humiliates the entire MLB. Now you want to blame Farrell? Coward. Replace Patriots with Yankees every time you mention CHEATING. Sickening! There's no honor among Yankees fans.
CRYBABIES!!!
Bagged and tagged, :thumb:
Merlot
Liar. I've never heard of Lester being accused of any such thing. But I love your infantile spelling...shows how REALLY pissed and humiliated you are. HE GOT CAUGHT CHEATING...Deal with it.
So much for Da Beav's claim that Farrell would be worried about any possible counteraction against his pitchers. Plainly Farrell was just waited for the idiot to show any sign of using pine tar and then he nailed his sir Pine Tar's dumb ass.
Geeeeeez, another one. Man-Up son. A Yankee got kicked out for cheating. You guys sound like 5 year olds in the back seat yelling "he did it first". Now all you guys do is make lame excuses after getting caught.
CHEATING PINE TAR PINEDA EJECTED What a huge smear of tar you can see at 1:01. Now that's Yankee Honor and Pride. :lol:
OMG Joe, you're the loudest mouth about cheating and now you say just ignore it altogether. The so-called truce does not include any idiot player going so far that he humiliates the entire MLB. Now you want to blame Farrell? Coward. Replace Patriots with Yankees every time you mention CHEATING. Sickening! There's no honor among Yankees fans.
CRYBABIES!!!
Bagged and tagged, :thumb:
Merlot
fArrell does not have the balls to even question that call on his own, someone pointed it out to him and he buckled under peer pressure, rest assured because he is a former mlb pitcher and pitching coach and just sold out his comrades. I am sure he never wanted to even bring it up to the umps but he is a Yes man through and through, this is why he is a average MLB manager.
On another note, Doc, Why does John Gibbons consistently have Brett Lawrie hitting 7th or 8th in that lineup every night
With his bat and power he should be hitting 3 through 6. I understand his BA is horrible right now but a guy with the bat he has should be in the preferred rbi spots on that team with that lineup one would think :noidea:
On another note, Doc, Why does John Gibbons consistently have Brett Lawrie hitting 7th or 8th in that lineup every night
With his bat and power he should be hitting 3 through 6. I understand his BA is horrible right now but a guy with the bat he has should be in the preferred rbi spots on that team with that lineup one would think :noidea:
Michael Kay said it is automatic 8 games if found to be using pine tar... they said it was on his neck but no evidence on any of the balls he used in the game so it is anyones guess at this point. I suspect one start.
Iggy, you are correct. The 10 game automatic suspension is imposed under rule 8.02 only if a foreign substance is used on the baseball. They only found it on his neck.
Lost in all of the "Pineda's a filthy cheater talk", there is the stellar, dominating performance turned in by John Lackey tonight who promptly paid back the Yankees for his bad outing last time and making the entire line-up his DB (Designated bitches!!) tonight!!
8 IP, 1 Run, 7 Hits , 0 Walks and 11 K's!!!!!!!!! WOW!!
BOYZZZ,
I was listening to NESN and ESPN. Everyone was saying how pine tar is a necessary item but since it is technically against the rules you can just go out on the field and throw it so blatantly into all the cameras and televisions. Throwing it in everyone's face like PINEda flaunts cheating and makes the MLB look like fools. Even Brian Cashman called Pineda's actions an embarrassment to the team. The look on Jeter's face when Pineda got tossed was one of...don't we look stupid. But no one was blaming the Farrell or the Red Sox for the idiotic in-your-face cheating move by a player in pinstripes...unlike all the fanboy cheating apologists here yesterday.
Pineda himself didn't seem to get it. When asked why he used the stuff so blatantly he said he was having trouble feeling the ball. When told using it was cheating he repeated the same words like he didn't have any understanding why it was wrong. Oddly, when asked about the incident Girardi said he had gone over it after the previous use in Boston but he never said anything to Pineda or checked the evidence at the time of his ejection last night. He just accepted the decision. It seems odd that he wouldn't look at Pineda or speak to him at all with his starting pitcher being tossed.
As SK said. Lackey was back to his very effective self scattering 8 hits while throwing his more typical very high 75% strikes rate at 84 of 111. Expect Lester to turn around quickly too. He's too good for his last outing to be anything but a short term aberration. Sox pitching has been a little up and down but putting runs across is the real problem...just like it was for the Yankees last night. New York is lucky they have played the Astros and Cubs 5 times, though they still lost 2 of those.
You can expect a suspension very soon, if not already decided.
Cheers,
Merlot
I was listening to NESN and ESPN. Everyone was saying how pine tar is a necessary item but since it is technically against the rules you can just go out on the field and throw it so blatantly into all the cameras and televisions. Throwing it in everyone's face like PINEda flaunts cheating and makes the MLB look like fools. Even Brian Cashman called Pineda's actions an embarrassment to the team. The look on Jeter's face when Pineda got tossed was one of...don't we look stupid. But no one was blaming the Farrell or the Red Sox for the idiotic in-your-face cheating move by a player in pinstripes...unlike all the fanboy cheating apologists here yesterday.
Pineda himself didn't seem to get it. When asked why he used the stuff so blatantly he said he was having trouble feeling the ball. When told using it was cheating he repeated the same words like he didn't have any understanding why it was wrong. Oddly, when asked about the incident Girardi said he had gone over it after the previous use in Boston but he never said anything to Pineda or checked the evidence at the time of his ejection last night. He just accepted the decision. It seems odd that he wouldn't look at Pineda or speak to him at all with his starting pitcher being tossed.
As SK said. Lackey was back to his very effective self scattering 8 hits while throwing his more typical very high 75% strikes rate at 84 of 111. Expect Lester to turn around quickly too. He's too good for his last outing to be anything but a short term aberration. Sox pitching has been a little up and down but putting runs across is the real problem...just like it was for the Yankees last night.
New York is lucky they have played the Astros and Cubs 5 times, though they still lost 2 of those. You can expect a suspension very soon, if not already decided.
Cheers,
Merlot
On another note, Doc, Why does John Gibbons consistently have Brett Lawrie hitting 7th or 8th in that lineup every night
Brett Lawrie's been struggling at the plate this season. He isn't even hitting .200 and he has been striking out a lot. But he's been hitting better over the past two weeks & has had the knack to hit clutch homeruns. I believe he leads the team in the RBI category.
Another reason for Gibbons to have him deep in the batting order is that he's noticed Lawrie has been much better when being in the bottom half of the order. Maybe he puts too much pressure on himself when he hits higher in the order, who knows.
There had been talk earlier that maybe giving him some time off or even sending him to the minors to regain his stroke might be a good idea, but he's been incredible defensively & his play alone has saved the team some runs. They also know that he'll eventually come out of his hitting funk (as he did last season in similar circumstances) and he's already shown signs of doing so. He works out with batting coach Kevin Seitzer every day and the key for him is less movement at the plate....keep it simple & don't let so many first pitches go by if the ball is right down the middle. The lessons seem to have panned out since he hit his homerun yesterday on the first pitch.
Regarding Pineda.....
Sure, there are many pitchers around the league who use pine tar to get a better grip. But they don't do it so blatantly, especially after having already been caught once this season & been warned by the league.
It's also well known around the league that Clay Buchholz also spreads pine tar all over himself when he pitches. I believe that is one of the reasons why he opts for the 'greesy' look whenever he pitches.....in order to cover the 'evidence' better.
As for getting a better grip in warmer weather, that's what the resin bag is for. All legal.
Even though i'm not too fond of Farrell as a manager, he had no choice yesterday but to walk up to the umpire and ask him to check Pineda. Pineda was mocking the game by blatantly spreading pine tar all over his neck for the world to see and giving the impression he didn't give a crap & daring the Red Sox to complain to the umpires about it.
Joe Girardi & his pitching coach should also share part of the blame in the 'Pinetar Pineda' incident. There's no way that they couldn't see what the entire tv-watching world could see. I mean, their video replay coach must have known the second ESPN started talking about it & showing the evidence.
As the ol' saying goes: "You snooze, you lose."
Sure, there are many pitchers around the league who use pine tar to get a better grip. But they don't do it so blatantly, especially after having already been caught once this season & been warned by the league.
It's also well known around the league that Clay Buchholz also spreads pine tar all over himself when he pitches. I believe that is one of the reasons why he opts for the 'greesy' look whenever he pitches.....in order to cover the 'evidence' better.
As for getting a better grip in warmer weather, that's what the resin bag is for. All legal.
Even though i'm not too fond of Farrell as a manager, he had no choice yesterday but to walk up to the umpire and ask him to check Pineda. Pineda was mocking the game by blatantly spreading pine tar all over his neck for the world to see and giving the impression he didn't give a crap & daring the Red Sox to complain to the umpires about it.
Joe Girardi & his pitching coach should also share part of the blame in the 'Pinetar Pineda' incident. There's no way that they couldn't see what the entire tv-watching world could see. I mean, their video replay coach must have known the second ESPN started talking about it & showing the evidence.
As the ol' saying goes: "You snooze, you lose."
Okay, I just wanted to throw this post in just under the wire before the latest game is up, but I think George King from the NY Post sums up what I was feeling last night -- that Pineda might just be plain fucking stupid. I can see the pitching coach sitting him down and saying, "Now, look, Michael, you can't put pine tar on your hand because the Sox are gonna call you on it and we can't afford to have you thrown out of the game," and Pineda saying, "Sure, coach, I understand. No pine tar on my hand." Now we have to think about what's going to happen with him on his next start. I'm thinking he'll shave his right eyebrow and paint in a pine tar eyebrow. Or maybe he'll draw in some pine tar spectacles after the 2nd inning. Who knows? I won't defend Pineda -- but to think Girardi would know he would do something so stupid and not say something about it is a bit ridiculous.
From the Post:
http://nypost.com/2014/04/23/pineda-ejected-for-having-pine-tar-on-neck/
And to follow up on some comments on David Cone, remember this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRMJQvSJyQg
From the Post:
http://nypost.com/2014/04/23/pineda-ejected-for-having-pine-tar-on-neck/
And to follow up on some comments on David Cone, remember this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRMJQvSJyQg
Did ever occur to anybody that maybe there was some misunderstanding, after all Pineda's first language isn't English, I have heard him talk and his English isn't that great, I think it is all a misunderstanding of the rules the way it was conveyed to Pineda because I highly doubt that he is that stupid, on another note, the Yankees are absolutely crushing the hapless Sox, it is the second time that they have crushed them in the 3 game series, I think that this is a telling sign of the huge difference in talent between the two teams, it definitely looks like last place to first place and back to dead last place, it will be the first time in baseball history.:nod:
Maybe a misunderstanding, but there should be plenty of people in the Yankee organization that can translate. Have you ever seen pine tar on someone's neck like that? Obviously I was joking about Pineda's next starts. I'm thinking he'll be fine, but maybe he is lacking in self-confidence...?
OH BOYZ!!!
NO...YOU DON'T! Just consider all you have written on this issue of cheating.
You're an interesting case study. You charged in to attack every instance of cheating, real or imagined, without a thought...other than the player doesn't wear you're favored uniform. You've been relentless and never less than the most harsh and unforgiving critic. You've attacked Ortiz, Youkilis, Buchholz, without any attempt to find the truth, condemning immediately. Every year your first post in the NFL thread attacks the Patriots legacy, and every following posts attacks the team and the fans. Yet, now because Michael Pineda wears pinstripes you give nothing but excuses. You have no idea what it is to stand by your word, or you do and you choose not to honor it. Simple FACT by the record.
This is the heart of the matter. He had two weeks since he was nearly bagged the first time against Boston, and the league has warned him. So there are two responsible parties to make him understand. 1) Himself as an adult. He receives the information and either he understands or he does what is necessary to be sure he understands, ask questions, get a translator, etc. 2) The Yankee organization. He's their responsibility as a signed player to know if he understands or they make sure he does one way or another. If he were too stupid to learn the rules then he can not be legally intelligent enough to sign contracts. Those two choices, or he's a habitual cheater who doesn't care. My opinion is there must have been failure on his part and that of the Yankees, because I don't think he's stupid or a deliberate cheater.
This got all blown up because Yankees fans, aside from gurge, charged in to make nonsense excuses. He cheated. He's gone for 10 games.
Pine tar may be the least of Yankee Pineda’s problems
By George A. King III
BOSTON — In light of Michael Pineda getting caught wearing pine tar Wednesday night at Fenway Park, you have to question whether the right-hander has the intelligence to pitch in the big leagues.
At least I presume he's not that stupid or a cheater, as the NY Post suggests. Joe.t would have branded him DAMNED for life, if Pineda didn't wear white-washing pinstripes.
Cheers,
Merlot
NO...YOU DON'T! Just consider all you have written on this issue of cheating.
You're an interesting case study. You charged in to attack every instance of cheating, real or imagined, without a thought...other than the player doesn't wear you're favored uniform. You've been relentless and never less than the most harsh and unforgiving critic. You've attacked Ortiz, Youkilis, Buchholz, without any attempt to find the truth, condemning immediately. Every year your first post in the NFL thread attacks the Patriots legacy, and every following posts attacks the team and the fans. Yet, now because Michael Pineda wears pinstripes you give nothing but excuses. You have no idea what it is to stand by your word, or you do and you choose not to honor it. Simple FACT by the record.
This is the heart of the matter. He had two weeks since he was nearly bagged the first time against Boston, and the league has warned him. So there are two responsible parties to make him understand. 1) Himself as an adult. He receives the information and either he understands or he does what is necessary to be sure he understands, ask questions, get a translator, etc. 2) The Yankee organization. He's their responsibility as a signed player to know if he understands or they make sure he does one way or another. If he were too stupid to learn the rules then he can not be legally intelligent enough to sign contracts. Those two choices, or he's a habitual cheater who doesn't care. My opinion is there must have been failure on his part and that of the Yankees, because I don't think he's stupid or a deliberate cheater.
This got all blown up because Yankees fans, aside from gurge, charged in to make nonsense excuses. He cheated. He's gone for 10 games.
Pine tar may be the least of Yankee Pineda’s problems
By George A. King III
BOSTON — In light of Michael Pineda getting caught wearing pine tar Wednesday night at Fenway Park, you have to question whether the right-hander has the intelligence to pitch in the big leagues.
At least I presume he's not that stupid or a cheater, as the NY Post suggests. Joe.t would have branded him DAMNED for life, if Pineda didn't wear white-washing pinstripes.
Cheers,
Merlot
Since when do baseball players need to be intelligent? They only need to be as smart as their agent. Anyway, the Pineda story will go on soon enough & we'll discover the truth as it unfolds...
It seems that Pineda can't pitch effectively without pine tar. What we saw Wednesday had to be the stupidest thing to happen in a baseball game in a very long time. Pineda doesn't look like a very sharp fellow, but you don't need much intelligence to play baseball. But dumb baseball players don't make good cheaters, as we saw Wednesday evening. Pure stupidity!! :lol:
On a final note, the Yankees got their revenge tonight by demolishing the light-hitting Red Sox 14-5. Wow!!!!!!
The below-average Felix Doubront was knocked out of the game early and his ERA is now 6.00. But his defence abandoned him tonight. They had already committed 4 errors when he left the game with less than 3 innings under his belt. Mike Carp pitched the last inning and allowed 1 run. He didn't allow a hit, but gave up 5 walks.
Jackie Bradley Jr. had one of those errors and is now hitting .206. He should be sent back to the minors for more seasoning before he loses all the confidence he has left. He could be a good player one day, but he's simply not ready for the big leagues right now.
Sox are heading to Toronto for a three-game set starting tonight. The Jays, having lost their last two to Baltimore after having the lead in both games, will be poised to put an end to their losing streak.
BOYZ!
Mr. gurge, I was trying to give the guy some room to allow for some manner of misunderstanding for the inexplicably dumb move of putting a large wad of pine tar where the whole world couldn't miss it. Right now I feel like I should retract that attempt to make an allowance because I can't see how anyone could not know how stupid that move was.
As for his agent, the player needs to be intelligent enough not to get thrown out of the game, which is the purpose of being signed and getting paid. His agent isn't there holding his hand saying: no no Mike, no pine tar there, it makes you look really dumb and could cut down your $$$ value in the future. He does need enough intelligence to stay in the game without a babysitting agent checking his diapers every few minutes.
When you think about it, which looks worse? Pineda, the board Yankees fanboy excuse makers, the Yankee organization? I say it's a tossup.
What are you looking for besides either his misunderstanding or the teams failure to be sure it got it right? Are you suggesting something along the lines that it wasn't just some sort of mistake? Deliberate cheating? Conspiracy perhaps? "Oh, say it ain't so."
This whole thing makes the team brand look pretty bad, SMEARING their name. Maybe instead of "the Yankees" we should refer to them as...DUH Yankees. Cashman seems to agree:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...eda-ejected-pine-tar-yankees-red-sox/8074087/
"I think we are all embarrassed,'' Cashman said. "This is a terrible situation. We all took ownership to it. Obviously, there is clearly a failure and a breakdown for him walking out of that dugout with something like that."
Yeah, there is something strange about him getting out to the mound right past the team with that big smear on his neck.
Not to mention that all of this was done against the same team that had just given notice that Pineda was being very blatant about the use of pine tar even if there was some "gentlemen's agreement" about reasonable use. Farrell and the Red Sox may not have noticed the first time or may have given Pineda and the Yankees a pass in the previous game because surely it was seen some time during the four innings it was present. Now Pineda gets blatant again and the fanboys scream about not giving him a second pass on this after the warnings, the same fanboys always so verbose against any kind of cheating. Doc was right, Farrell had no choice after the warning had been issued by the Red Sox and the MLB office...and the fanboys should be ashamed of defending Pineda.
:crazy:
Merlot
Mr. gurge, I was trying to give the guy some room to allow for some manner of misunderstanding for the inexplicably dumb move of putting a large wad of pine tar where the whole world couldn't miss it. Right now I feel like I should retract that attempt to make an allowance because I can't see how anyone could not know how stupid that move was.
As for his agent, the player needs to be intelligent enough not to get thrown out of the game, which is the purpose of being signed and getting paid. His agent isn't there holding his hand saying: no no Mike, no pine tar there, it makes you look really dumb and could cut down your $$$ value in the future. He does need enough intelligence to stay in the game without a babysitting agent checking his diapers every few minutes.
When you think about it, which looks worse? Pineda, the board Yankees fanboy excuse makers, the Yankee organization? I say it's a tossup.
What are you looking for besides either his misunderstanding or the teams failure to be sure it got it right? Are you suggesting something along the lines that it wasn't just some sort of mistake? Deliberate cheating? Conspiracy perhaps? "Oh, say it ain't so."
This whole thing makes the team brand look pretty bad, SMEARING their name. Maybe instead of "the Yankees" we should refer to them as...DUH Yankees. Cashman seems to agree:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...eda-ejected-pine-tar-yankees-red-sox/8074087/
"I think we are all embarrassed,'' Cashman said. "This is a terrible situation. We all took ownership to it. Obviously, there is clearly a failure and a breakdown for him walking out of that dugout with something like that."
Yeah, there is something strange about him getting out to the mound right past the team with that big smear on his neck.
Not to mention that all of this was done against the same team that had just given notice that Pineda was being very blatant about the use of pine tar even if there was some "gentlemen's agreement" about reasonable use. Farrell and the Red Sox may not have noticed the first time or may have given Pineda and the Yankees a pass in the previous game because surely it was seen some time during the four innings it was present. Now Pineda gets blatant again and the fanboys scream about not giving him a second pass on this after the warnings, the same fanboys always so verbose against any kind of cheating. Doc was right, Farrell had no choice after the warning had been issued by the Red Sox and the MLB office...and the fanboys should be ashamed of defending Pineda.
:crazy:
Merlot
Besides being slaughtered 14-5 by the New York Yankees last night, the light hitting Red Sox were klutzes on the field. 5 errors during the game.
It's far from the record after 1900, which is 12 in 1901 by the Detroit Tigers and in 1903 by the Chicago White Sox, but the gloves are a lot better now, aren't they? Baseball gloves back then were a little bigger than your hand.
The season is young, but the light hitting Red Sox are having trouble hitting, pitching and fielding, so far.
It's far from the record after 1900, which is 12 in 1901 by the Detroit Tigers and in 1903 by the Chicago White Sox, but the gloves are a lot better now, aren't they? Baseball gloves back then were a little bigger than your hand.
The season is young, but the light hitting Red Sox are having trouble hitting, pitching and fielding, so far.
Looks like the Reigning World Series Champion Red Sox have finally started to hit, busting out 12 hits and taking a 7-0 lead against Toronto tonight and it's only the 6th inning!! Has the pixie dust worn off of Mark Beurlhey's magical unlikely season? As I compose this I just see an update from the house that Ruth didn't build and it's 8-0 Angels! Wow. How quickly things change in MLB, the season is young, but how moronic do people look after an 1/8th of a season?
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