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Joe, your understanding of the English language continues to display an astounding lack of comprehension. The word "appears" means it looks like it may be that way. Thanks for another confirmation of 1. how flimsy the accusation is, 2. how hate can be used to turn anything into the way you want it to look.

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More accurately...Who Envies The Patriots and Can't Stop Hating Them? >>>JOE.T<<<

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Merlot your constant defense of a found guilty, suspended, fined player and organisation is astounding to say the least, Tom Brady lied to the investigaters because he is guilty, deal with it!!!.

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Merlot...deal with it!!!.

Joe, it's awful to see how that damn TUCK RULE game has been eating at you with a great big HATE going on over 13 years. You couldn't handle that it was the refs who made that call so you set your heart on hate and revenge on Brady and the Patriots. Of course losing a lot of money against the best team of the century has made the Patriot's spectacular success all the more tougher to take. ;) I WEEP FOR YOU.

Everyone is Jealous of the New England Patriots: Here Are 8 Reasons Why

http://blog.champssports.com/everyone-is-jealous-of-the-new-england-patriots-here-are-8-reasons-why/

In February of 2013, Baltimore Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs told Boston radio station WEEI that he “guarantees the other 31 (NFL) teams hate the New England Patriots.” ESPN ran a story on Suggs’ statement and conducted a SportsNation poll, in which fans were asked if the Patriots were the most-hated team in the league. More than 20,000 fans voted, and the answer was a resounding yes. (Fifty-five percent voted for New England.) Whether Suggs was accurate in saying that every other team despises New England we’ll never know, but the fan vote at least made it clear that the Patriots have an image problem.

During the Tom Brady era (2001-present), the Patriots have distanced themselves from indifference. What I mean is, most NFL fans either love the Patriots or hate the Patriots, and few remain between. New England’s actions grew a loyal fanbase while angering the rest of the nation.

Where does all of this disdain stem from?

That’s not an easy answer, because depending upon whom you talk to, the response will be different. And that’s just it, really — the Patriots are different. They consistently trade first-round picks to back up in the draft, they stay tight-lipped about their opponents, and seemingly operate robotically (mostly without all-world talents) under head coach Bill Belichick’s leadership. And they win a lot of games doing these things. There’s a reason they’re called the evil empire.

They started slow this season and yet are in first place in their division all over again. These envious feelings won’t fade so quickly. Just know that Everyone is Jealous of the New England Patriots: Here Are 8 Reasons Why.

8. When you think they’re beat, they’re not

The team that broke just about every offensive record last season, the Denver Broncos, led 24-0 at halftime over the Patriots in Week 12 last year. After 1 minute, 47 seconds had run off of the clock in the fourth quarter, the Patriots led 28-24. Brady instrumented four consecutive touchdown drives — three into the wind on a 20-degree night when it was nearly impossible to pass — after New England was shut out in the opening half. The Patriots won the game in overtime, 34-31.

It’s not just games that the Patriots can’t be counted out of. It’s entire seasons. In 2013, New England lost a number of defensive starters to injury, including season-ending injuries to defensive tackle Vince Wilfork and middle linebacker and defensive captain Jerod Mayo. On offense, Brady played most of the season without playmaking tight end Rob Gronkowski and had an entire slew of new wide receivers, including three rookies – Josh Boyce, Kenbrell Thompkins, and Aaron Dobson. New England went 12-4, the second-best record in the AFC, and somehow made it to the AFC Championship Game for the third consecutive year.

In 2006, the Patriots’ leading receiver was Reche Caldwell. In 2004, it was David Givens. When they went to the Super Bowl in 2007, Laurence Maroney was their leading rusher. Every time you think the Patriots don’t have the personnel to contend for a title, they do anyway.

7. It’s almost impossible to beat the Patriots in Foxboro

For all of the talk about the 12th man in Seattle and the noise at Arrowhead in Kansas City, Gillette Stadium is the place where teams should really fear playing. Since 2006, with Tom Brady at quarterback, New England is 57-5 at home. That includes a 49-3 record in the regular season. You probably have a better chance of getting hit by lightning then you do of beating the Patriots at home.

The place is always packed, too. The Patriots have some of the most loyal fans in the league. They’ve sold out every home game dating back to 1994. And whether it’s the guys with muskets hanging out at the back of the end zone — the End Zone Militia — intimidating opponents, or just that the Patriots play their best football at home, the fans usually leave with Patriot victories.


6. Good fortune has fallen the Patriots’ way

In a 1982 game against the Dolphins, the Patriots’ snowplow operator drove out onto the field and cleared a path for John Smith to kick the game-winning field goal. That really happened.

And for as good as the Patriots have been in the Tom Brady era, they’ve been lucky, too. The tuck rule, which says any intentional forward movement by the quarterback’s arm, including tucking the ball, is an incompletion, was instituted in 1999. But no one knew it existed until 2002. That’s when Raiders cornerback Charles Woodson decked Brady during a divisional playoff game, forcing the ball loose. The Raiders recovered and were almost guaranteed of a victory. Except, the referees ruled Brady was indeed tucking and that his fumble was really an incompletion. Adam Vinatieri later tied the game with a field goal on that drive and hit the game-winner in overtime. New England went on to win its first Super Bowl that year, and I’m sure Raiders fans have forgotten all about it.

After Bernard Pollard ended Tom Brady’s 2008 season by lunging into his knee from the grass, the NFL instituted a new rule before the 2009 season to protect their franchise quarterbacks like Brady. Between the tuck rule and the Brady rule, it’s easy for fans to get the impression that the league is making up rules to help the Patriots win.

5. The genius of Belichick

Bill Belichick doesn’t care what you think of him and he does things his own way. He often shows up in ripped hooded sweatshirts, he gives the worst interviews of all time, and I’m not sure if he’s ever smiled.

Yet 30 NFL Insiders recently voted him the best coach in the NFL in a poll by ESPN’s Mike Sando. Belichick serves as the Patriots’ coach and general manager, so he makes all of the roster calls and he’s been ruthless. He consistently trades franchise faces who seem like they’re in their prime — Logan Mankins, Richard Seymour, Lawyer Milloy, Deion Branch — in order to keep the team financially flexible for the next season. And it’s worked really well. The Patriots pay a few people and fill in the rest of the roster with moving parts and still have had double-digit wins in each of the last 11 seasons.

4. They’re arrogant

This starts at the top with Belichick. In an attempt to keep anything negative from reaching the media, Belichick regurgitates generic one-liners like, “We need to play better,” and gives the media no new information. The Patriots players aren’t much better. Clearly under a directive from Belichick, they stay tight-lipped and usually answer questions like they’re robots. It can definitely come across as smug.

The secrecy Belichick consistently uses doesn’t help the perception. Fans don’t know who is playing from week to week or what the Patriots’ plans are until the game starts.

3. Spygate

Once a cheater, always a cheater. It’s a common line in relationships, but also can represent the views of sports fans who feel wronged by cheating athletes. Sports fans have a universal dislike for alleged cheaters. Once a player or team is caught cheating, that stigma sticks around for a long time, in some cases forever. That why, even though seven years have passed, many fans still view the Patriots as cheaters.

The Patriots were caught cheating during their undefeated regular season in 2007. Someone from the team videotaped New York Jets coaches in order to pick up on their sideline signals. Belichick was fined $500,000 and the team was fined an additional $250,000 and was stripped of its 2008 first-round draft pick.

Here are the facts Patriots haters aren’t going to like: New England has a higher winning percentage since 2007 than it had in the six seasons with Brady before it. As of Oct. 1, the Patriots went 70-26 from 2001-06 and are 91-28 since.

2. Tom Brady

It’s just not fair. Tom Brady wins more than any quarterback in NFL history, gets paid millions of dollars every year, is really good looking, and his wife is one the world’s most beautiful supermodels. Oh, and Forbes declared that Brady’s wife Gisele Bundchen was the world’s highest paid model for the 13th consecutive year in 2014. She’s earned an estimated $47 million in the last year; that’s $16 million more than Brady. They’re the ultimate power couple because Gisele dominates off the field the way Tom does on it.

Back to Brady. He’s more than a handsome face who can pedal UGG boots and the latest Under Armour gear. Brady’s really, really good at playing quarterback, too. He’s never going to throw for as many yards as Peyton Manning or be as flashy as Aaron Rodgers, but he wins games at a higher clip than either of them, or any other quarterback in NFL history for that matter. Winning is Brady’s trademark and it’s a pretty good one to have. Brady’s 10-5 in his career against Manning, has three Super Bowl rings compared to Manning’s one, and he’s tied with John Elway for most Super Bowl appearances by a quarterback (five). Brady also has the most playoff victories of any quarterback ever.

1. They win

Nobody likes individuals or teams that win too much. It’s the same reason fans hate on the San Antonio Spurs, six-time NASCAR champion Jimmie Johnson, and even the New York Yankees. In Brady’s first 10 years as a starter, New England set an NFL record for most wins (121) by any team over the course of a decade. They broke their own record (123) in 2011, and then again (126) in 2012. The Patriots haven’t just won games over the last decade and a half. They’ve dismantled teams. During their undefeated regular season in 2007, the Pats outscored their opponents 589-274, which is unheard of in the NFL. Fans of other teams remember those losses.

Fans also love rooting for an underdog, and the Patriots are far from it. In any battle of David and Goliath, New England is always Goliath. The Miami Dolphins, New York Jets, and Buffalo Bills have felt like David in the AFC East for some time. The Patriots have won 10 of the last 11 division titles. If you’re a fan of one of these other teams, you better hope for a wild card. And just about every year, when it comes down to the best four teams in football on conference championship weekend, the Patriots are there. They’ve been to eight of the 13 AFC Championship Games, have been to the Super Bowl five times in that span, and have won it three times.

The No. 1 reason people hate on the Patriots is they’re just tired of seeing them win.


GREAT SUCCESS and JEALOUSY BEGETS HATE!!!

Here you go boyz:

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Posting the longest posts doesn't make you right, Merlot (that silent t in Merlot amazes me).
 
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Posting the longest posts doesn't make you right, Merlot (that silent t in Merlot amazes me).

Can you imagine someone who has to put out so much BS just to try and tire out his debating opponents. I mean really does anyone want to put out that much effort other than Merlot Unplugged.....

NFL fans support the penalties by a 2-1 margin and three quarters of the "avid fans" support the NFL's decision. Now to hear Merlot tell it, these fans are just sour grapes because they envy the Pats. He simply can't wrap his mind around it. It's called denial. Probably gets it from Obama who can't imagine that anyone doesn't think the way he does. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12881342/undefined
 

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Posting the longest posts doesn't make you right...

Neither does being an obsessed manic HATER.

...just to try and tire out his debating opponents.

There's no debate here. You two are infamous for being hyper-obsessive. Just look at the mania of your signatures.

NFL fans support the penalties by a 2-1 margin and three quarters of the "avid fans" support the NFL's decision.

By the logic of greater numbers supporting a side you fail, or you would both deal with that Presidental elections are decided by majority/larger votes, a principle which you refuse to support when it doesn't suit your views.

Both of you guys have one thought, one priority between you...to see the Patriots falls no matter how cheaply. Nothing else.

Speaking of which of us has a better understanding of this issue...what did I say yesterday about the likelihood of Brady suing the NFL? Was that a 75% to 90% chance? I said about Brady, "he's the last person to stand for anything that smears his name. He wants a clean record and he wouldn't be Brady if he didn't do all he could to make sure that is guaranteed. If the penalties aren't cleaned out I believe there's a 75% to 90% chance he would sue Goodell and the NFL."

"Make no mistake, Brady intends to make war against Goodell to preserve his honor. It's not a matter of lighter or harsher penalties it's about full exoneration. Goodells handling of the entire episode, which should have been the same as when the Vikings and Chargers manipulated balls against the rules, has infuriated Brady and the Patriots. Goodell's very obvious double-dealing in setting himself as the arbiter to judge his own handling was the call to no holds barred."


Expect Brady vs. NFL to be filed sooner than later

Posted by Mike Florio on May 16, 2015, 9:05 AM EDT

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/16/expect-brady-vs-nfl-to-be-filed-sooner-than-later/

In the case of Vikings running back Adrian Peterson, the federal lawsuit against the league came after arbitrator Harold Henderson upheld Peterson’s suspension. In the case of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, expect the lawsuit to come before Commissioner Roger Goodell resolves the appeal of Brady’s four-game banishment.

With Brady and the NFL Players Association making a strong push for Commissioner Roger Goodell to delegate a neutral arbitrator to handle the appeal and with the league leaking on Friday that Goodell is “very unlikely” to step aside voluntarily, it’s highly likely if not certain that a lawsuit attempting to force Goodell to delegate the appeal will be filed, possibly soon.

“If the Commissioner does not appoint such a neutral arbitrator, the NFLPA and Mr. Brady will seek recusal and pursue all available relief to obtain an arbitrator who is not evidently partial,” the appeal letter to Vincent states.

The NFLPA filed a pre-appeal lawsuit in 2012, when Goodell decided to handle the appeal of his own decision to suspend multiple players in connection with the New Orleans bounty scandal. While a ruling on that point never came in court, the pressure from the litigation eventually prompted Goodell to appoint former Commissioner Paul Tagliabue to handle the appeal process.

The one certainty in this case (and perhaps the only certainty in this case) is that Goodell won’t be appointing Tagliabue again. Not only did Goodell’s former boss scrap all suspensions, but Tagliabue also issued a professional-yet-clear rebuke of Goodell for attempting to change a culture of the league by making an example out of one team at a time when many may be doing the same or similar things.

Three years ago, the NFLPA argued that Goodell already had determined the Saints players to be guilty. This time around, Goodell has insulated himself from such an argument because he delegated the initial decision to executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent. The primary argument in favor of recusal will come from the intent of the NFLPA and Brady to call Goodell as a witness for the appeal, on the question of whether and to what extent he was aware of the concerns about football inflation before testing of New England’s footballs occurred at halftime of the AFC title game in January.

Regardless of the specific arguments raised, the lawsuit surely is coming. As explained Friday, Goodell won’t be inclined to undermine the work of Ted Wells, who was hired by Goodell and who racked up millions in legal fees for work that started as an independent investigation but that finished as, in essence, a special prosecution.

If Wells and the NFL are so confident about the quality of his work, why not welcome a neutral third party to handle the case? As more and more of these high-profile disciplinary cases are processed by the league, more and more members of the media and fans are realizing that the league’s obsession with stacking the deck in the appeal process conflicts sharply with notions of fundamental fairness to those whose interests are being determined by persons with no interest in being truly fair.


Goodell has handled this whole issue very badly. Had he handled it the same way he did for the San Diego and Minnesota ball manipulation this would have been over in a day. But one theory I've heard says controversy is very profitable and perhaps Goodell calculated that this would increase viewership and generate greater profits for the league. Whether that is true or not he has gone after Brady and the Patriots on the flimsiest of foundations and made an elephant out of a flea out of this issue. He let or took advantage of the manically hating fans to push this issue all out of sane proportions an he insanely did it against a man who will protect his honor to the death.

Goodell has MISCALCULATED TRAGICALLY!!! He's going to pay for that.

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WELLS CONTRADICTS HIMSELF


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...dicts-his-own-report-regarding-mcnally-texts/

Wells explained to Hubbuch that, because the message in which McNally calls himself the “Deflator” was sent in May 2014, Wells hadn’t noticed it before questioning McNally the first time, since Wells had gone through only the text messages from the 2014 football season at that point.

Apart from the question of whether Wells or someone from his team should have churned the billable hours to review all text messages before interviewing McNally (and they should have), Wells’ explanation contradicts his own report.

At page 87, Wells quotes a text message from November 2014 in which McNally said, “Deflate and give somebody that [jacket].” Wells then explains in the report, “We planned to discuss this message with McNally during our requested follow-up interview. As noted above, we were unable to do so because counsel for the Patriots refused to make McNally available.”

In other words, Wells’ comments to Hubbuch are not factually accurate. Wells now says didn’t notice the May 2014 “Deflator” text message because he had reviewed only the text messages sent during the 2014 football season, and yet the Wells report expressly states that he wanted to question McNally a second time about one of the text messages sent during the 2014 football season.

And so, basically, pretty much everyone connected to this case now has significant credibility problems. Which means that the best outcome may have been (and may still be) for the league to admit that it created this mess by having inadequate football inflation and security procedures, by possessing inferior knowledge of the science of football deflation, and by paying insufficient attention to the reality that, in cold weather games, footballs routinely have an internal pressure below 12.5 PSI. The league should simply have changed the procedures, warned all teams that any efforts to circumvent those procedures in the future would be met with harsh punishment, and not attempted to punish any of the many teams that may have taken advantage of what ultimately was proven to be incomplete and borderline inept enforcement of Rule 2, which seemingly requires the football at all times to be between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI, regardless of the weather conditions.

But since Commissioner Roger Goodell sees most if not all disciplinary issues in black and white, he surely learned nothing from the not-so-subtle rebuke that his predecessor, Paul Tagliabue, provided in the bounty scandal, when Tagliabue demonstrated how a Commissioner should go about presiding over a change in NFL culture. The NFL’s culture regarding football inflation definitely will change, but it’s happening only after it makes an example of one team that, based on the scientific evidence, may not have actually tampered with the footballs prior to the AFC title game.


Remember the same gauge the Wells Report cited to assert the Patriots may have done something also showed 3 of 4 of the Colts footballs were also under-inflated, at which point measuring the Colts footballs was put to a stop.

deal with it,

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dd41, We type out 3 or 4 lines and he puts out like 100. Got to admit that's a great return on investment.
 

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Can you imagine someone who has to put out so much BS just to try and tire out his debating opponents. I mean really does anyone want to put out that much effort other than Merlot Unplugged.....]

I think we are seeing first hand evidence of this topic.
 

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NFL fans support the penalties by a 2-1 margin and three quarters of the "avid fans" support the NFL's decision. Now to hear Merlot tell it, these fans are just sour grapes because they envy the Pats. He simply can't wrap his mind around it. It's called denial. Probably gets it from Obama who can't imagine that anyone doesn't think the way he does. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12881342/undefined

Maybe it's time for NFL fans from other teams to boycott games when the Patriots play, including on Television. Yes it may hurt their teams, BUT it will hurt the Patriots and their owner Robert Krafty and Tom Shady even more. It would send a message that cheating, lying and covering up will not be tolerated. I doubt that this would happen, but I think a good number of those 2/3 and 3/4 in support of the NFL decision are fed up with Cheaters, Liars and Cover up offenders.
 

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Brady and Belicheat are a joke and should be stripped of their last super bowl win and never be allowed into the hall unless it is the hall of SHAME! 4 games??? (which will become 2) He should be banned for the whole upcoming season! He cheated to win the sports biggest prize! C'mon Goodell, can you get ANYTHING right????
 

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Brady and Belicheat are a joke and should be stripped of their last super bowl win and never be allowed into the hall unless it is the hall of SHAME! 4 games??? (which will become 2) He should be banned for the whole upcoming season! He cheated to win the sports biggest prize! C'mon Goodell, can you get ANYTHING right????

Couldn't agree with you more, I will tell you another thing had it been a "brother" who committed the crime he would have gotten a year, no doubt.
 
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I want to point out something a little screwed up, but expected in the US Culture now. Brady wouldn't turn over his e-mails and got suspended. Hillary Clinton deleted her e-mails, but is running for president. Seems our culture has its priorities correct.....LOL :lol::thumb::confused:
 

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Brady and Belicheat are a joke and should be stripped of their last super bowl win and never be allowed into the hall unless it is the hall of SHAME! 4 games??? (which will become 2) He should be banned for the whole upcoming season! He cheated to win the sports biggest prize! C'mon Goodell, can you get ANYTHING right????

Goodell and Cheatriots owner Robert Krafty are best friends. If it would have been any other team and owner, Tom Shady Brady would have gotten a lot more games than 4. Not turning over emails and texts in the criminal world is obstruction of justice. Shady Brady is certainly hiding more incriminating evidence. Most likely, the most incriminating evidence.

Only the most amoral football fans, even if they are Cheatriots fans, can support this type of behavior.
 

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Not turning over emails and texts in the criminal world is obstruction of justice.

You really have no sense or feel for the legal system, especially legal foundation. There's one inescapable condition that must be present for any case, there has to be proof of an offense/crime...a "body" so to speak. Where is the body here? The data saying whether deflation happened wasn't logged in. What we have is the memory of data, and on top of that we have two gauges the referee said one exonerated both parties and one indicated some deflation of the footballs of both parties. Obviously there was a calibration issue that forces all the figures to be thrown out aside from the failure to log any data. In that case not only are the figures unreliable, it was contradictory and so consequentially there's nothing reliable that shows proof of anything either way. There's no body so no violation. Everything after that becomes totally irrelevant.

Shady Brady is certainly hiding more incriminating evidence. Most likely, the most incriminating evidence.

How does anyone know this? Oh you saw the phone messages yourself, right. Or you are just a hater.

Only the most amoral....

Oh but you and each of your pals support A-Roid Rodriguez. That's why you're so bad at this. You switch principles/morals whenever it's convenient. TalK about AMORAL!

IS THE SUSPENSION ALREADY INVALID???

NFLPA wants Roger Goodell out of Tom Brady case

https://www.bostonherald.com/sports...lpa_wants_roger_goodell_out_of_tom_brady_case

Roger Goodell will be involved in the appeal of Tom Brady’s suspension.

But what role he ultimately serves is very much in question.

The NFL commissioner intends to preside over the hearing. The NFL Players Association wants to call Goodell as a witness.

Something, or someone, has got to give.

The NFLPA unleashed a blistering attack on the NFL yesterday as it unveiled its letter of notice to appeal the four-game suspension the league handed down to Brady for his role in what the league said was the intentional deflating of footballs by Patriots employees prior to a win over the Colts in the AFC title game in January.

NFLPA general counsel Tom DePaso put Goodell in his crosshairs in saying the commissioner is inherently biased by his involvement in crafting the punishment. He added that Goodell violated the league’s collective bargaining agreement by dishing responsibility for the punishment off to his deputy, vice president for football operations Troy Vincent.

The union demanded that Goodell recuse himself as appeals officer and install a neutral arbitrator.

The union wants to question Goodell and Vincent about the circumstances that led to Goodell empowering Vincent to suspend Brady. That move invalidated the ban, DePaso said, because of the union’s contention that the CBA authorizes only Goodell to impose discipline for conduct detrimental to the NFL.

“You have no authority to impose discipline on Mr. Brady under the CBA,” DePaso told Vincent, “and such discipline must therefore be set aside.”

The letter was dated on Thursday. It was late Thursday night when Goodell said he would hear Brady’s appeal himself. ESPN reported yesterday it was “very unlikely” that the commissioner would acquiesce to the union and recuse himself.

The union also blasted the scope of Brady’s suspension as “unfair” and “grossly inconsistent” with punishments delivered to players in previous cases.

“No player in the history of the NFL has ever received anything approaching this level of discipline for similar behavior, a change in sanctions squarely forbidden by the CBA,” DePaso said.

The union also attacked the Wells Report as “speculative” and said the basis for the NFL’s suspension of Brady simply did not prove the charges against him. The Wells Report, DePaso said, “is wrought with unsupported speculation” that does not tie Brady to the alleged deflating of footballs before the AFC title game. It is, he added, a “legally inadequate basis upon which to impose this unprecedented discipline.”

Goodell already admitted he played a role in the deliberations around Brady’s suspension.

“We reached these decisions after extensive discussion with Troy Vincent and many others,” the commissioner wrote in the statement announcing Brady’s ban. The same statement said Goodell “authorized” the discipline and that it was “imposed” by Vincent.

Yet the CBA that the league and union agreed to in 2011 expressly empowers the commissioner to hear the appeal of a player disciplined for conduct detrimental to the league.

The NFLPA tried to cloud Goodell’s impartiality further by raising questions in the letter about when he and Vincent first learned of the Colts’ complaints about the Patriots’ footballs prior to the AFC title game and about whether there was a “sting operation” — something the Wells Report denied — aiming to implicate Brady and the Patriots. The union also said Vincent’s involvement in the probe into the footballs on the day of the AFC title game should have precluded him from any involvement in disciplining Brady.

Goodell deferred to neutral arbitrators in other cases. Last year, he appointed retired federal judge Barbara Jones to hear the appeal of Ray Rice’s indefinite suspension. She overturned that ban. In 2012, he appointed his predecessor, Paul Tagliabue, to hear appeals from four Saints players suspended in the Bountygate probe. Tagliabue vacated all the suspensions. Goodell also suffered a defeat this year when Adrian Peterson’s indefinite suspension was overturned in federal court.

If Goodell refuses to recuse himself, the union may consider a legal maneuver to oust him. DePaso said the union would “pursue all available relief to obtain an arbitrator who is not evidently partial.”


GOODELL IS IN BIG TROUBLE.

I heard a few hours ago that there is going to be a league owners meeting next week. It was with Kraft's significant help that Goodell remained as commissioner during the last vote. This meeting doesn't involve a vote on Goodell, not planned anyway, but clearly Goodell has lost all of Kraft's support since the atrocious handling of this episode.

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You really have no sense or feel for the legal system, especially legal foundation. There's one inescapable condition that must be present for any case, there has to be proof of an offense/crime...a "body" so to speak. Where is the body here? The data saying whether deflation happened wasn't logged in. What we have is the memory of data, and on top of that we have two gauges the referee said one exonerated both parties and one indicated some deflation of the footballs of both parties. Obviously there was a calibration issue that forces all the figures to be thrown out aside from the failure to log any data. In that case not only are the figures unreliable, it was contradictory and so consequentially there's nothing reliable that shows proof of anything either way. There's no body so no violation. Everything after that becomes totally irrelevant.

There you go attacking what I know or don't know even though you don't know nor have you read what I wrote. Prosecutors in the legal system have the ability to subpoena the courts to get evidence. The NFL does not. But the difference with the NFL and the courts is the NFL is a private organization that can give out punishment for withholding requested information, or whatever. And they did.

How does anyone know this? Oh you saw the phone messages yourself, right. Or you are just a hater.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ns-bradys-refusal-to-provide-texts-and-email/

Hater? No, I am not a blind fool who marches around unplugged saying the same thing over and over again. I read information and process it. From what I have read, I think Mr. Shady Brady is hiding something.

Do you always call people who disagree with you a hater? If you do, it is quite disturbing.

Oh but you and each of your pals support A-Roid Rodriguez. That's why you're so bad at this. You switch principles/morals whenever it's convenient. TalK about AMORAL!

IS THE SUSPENSION ALREADY INVALID???

How do you know any of us support Arod? I have never been on here supporting him, nor has anyone else. You have this annoying habit of putting words in people's mouths, Merlo and it really should stop.

I have no control over whether he plays for the Yankees. He did his suspension and he has a contract with the NY Yankees, so he is playing with them. They are apparently not going to pay him bonuses for the milestones he reaches, as stipulated in his contract, so there is some friction between the Yankees and him.
 

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All I know is this: Patriots beat the Seahawks, and won the Super Bowl. Everything else is noise. :D Yap, yap, yap, yap, yap...
 

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All I know is this: Patriots beat the Seahawks, and won the Super Bowl. Everything else is noise. :D Yap, yap, yap, yap, yap...

All I know is that the Patriots have liars (Shady Brady, Bill Belacheat), cheaters (Deflategate, Spygate), obstructionists (Shady Brady), and had a convicted murderer (Aaron Hernandez) play for them. And they somehow win the Super Bowl.

It seems New England fans are OK with some or all of those categories.
 
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