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Sol Tee Nutz

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EB we know livedit is a troll and hopefully a mod will ban him and delete his threads. With the blue done for the "group " they need to get their kicks somewhere. I am guessing there are still a couple more handles here that are waiting to troll.
 

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EB we know livedit is a troll and hopefully a mod will ban him and delete his threads. With the blue done for the "group " they need to get their kicks somewhere. I am guessing there are still a couple more handles here that are waiting to troll.
livedit has already been banned. For some unknown reason, the mods often leave a banned members posts up after the banning. I'm with you that lovemaker's, er livedit's, posts should be deleted.
 

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Sorry but this is the USA and I pay exactly $253.89 per month on a new Honda Accord. That is a 3 year lease, I did put some money down but it was the same as the last few cars. That is $420 per month less than what I paid on the BMW lease. These are the facts. I just made my lease payment a few nights ago.

In that case, I don't doubt you that prices may be different down south, but I have a question.

Since mortgage interest is deductible in the US, why would you not just take out a HELOC and pay the car cash (instead of leasing).

(The answer just came to me....you use the car for work and your payments are already deductible?)
 

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I don't doubt you that prices may be different down south, but I have a question.

Since mortgage interest is deductible in the US, why would you not just take out a HELOC and pay the car cash (instead of leasing).

(The answer just came to me....you use the car for work and your payments are already deductible?)

I am reimbursed for mileage by my employer at the rate of .565 per mile which is what the IRS allows. My employer then claims the deduction. You cannot deduct expenses for which you are reimbursed.

I get a deduction for my mortgage interest payments - I have a mortgage on my condo.
 

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I get a deduction for my mortgage interest payments - I have a mortgage on my condo.
This doesn't really answer Sam's question. Why not buy the car for cash and take the allowed deduction on the interest on an HELOC?
 

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This doesn't really answer Sam's question. Why not buy the car for cash and take the allowed deduction on the interest on an HELOC?

Do you realize that the cash value of the lease is about $21,000 and that the HELOC interest deduction is minimal? I would pay more in interest than what I would get by way of a deduction - it would not be a dollar for dollar wash, as he is apparently assuming. I have also run all of this by my accountant and he has never suggested that I do other than what I am doing.

I also don't think it is allowed because of lease prepayment penalty provisions. And if something happens to the car such as being totalled or stolen, you would be on the hook and you would lose the value of the remaining lease, not Honda. Typically on a lease Honda retains title to the vehicle. They will not want to shoulder any loss that happens after you have paid the value of the lease. I think you would then have to pay Honda the balance in addition to eating what you have lost. So if the loss happens on day 1 you eat the $21,000, plus you pay Honda the residual value which might be another $12,000, plus you are looking for a new car. Collision insurance only will give you market value, not all of your up front payments.
 
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Again, Beav, you haven't answered Sam's question. He isn't suggesting a single-payment on the lease. I believe he's wondering about the logic of purchasing the car outright.

Personally, I consider a lease a waste of money. Then again, I consider getting a new car every two or three years an extremely foolish waste of money. Considering that modern vehicles are built to last at least 200,000 miles/300,000 km, the very notion of getting a new car every three years is wasteful both economically and environmentally.

My 2008 has just over 100,000 miles on it. I'll keep it at least another five.

Of course, if you consider your car an extension of your penis and need something flashy to impress the girls, I suppose the lease of a Beamer might be the way to go.
 

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Again, Beav, you haven't answered Sam's question. He isn't suggesting a single-payment on the lease. I believe he's wondering about the logic of purchasing the car outright.

I don't like buying vehicles and I have stated the reasons why. This gets into the lease vs. buy debate which is beyond the scope of this thread. If there were no advantages to leasing nobody would ever do it. The car market economy shows that is not the case - it is far from the case. My vehicular needs are different than others and I have also laid out the reasons why. I also fail to see mentioned in most lease vs. buy debates the repair cost of vehicles that go out of warranty. It is never mentioned. I do not keep vehicles past warranty. If you get lucky and don't pound your vehicles repair costs are minimal. In my case it is a risk that is not worth taking. I pound my vehicles with hard driving and I need new vehicles to replace the pounded ones every 3 years. I don't really think what applies for one person applies to another. Everyone has different vehicle use objectives.
 
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Again, Beav, you haven't answered Sam's question. He isn't suggesting a single-payment on the lease. I believe he's wondering about the logic of purchasing the car outright.

Rumples gets where I am going on this.

One of the best ways to get rich is to catch all of the small things, one of which is to forgo driving new vehicles all the time.

Studies show that driving cars during the 5-10th year, after it is paid off, costs a fraction of what it does at the beginning.

Driving a new car all the time before you get rich is a sure way of staying poor.

Do you realize that the cash value of the lease is about $21,000 and that the HELOC interest deduction is minimal? I would pay more in interest than what I would get by way of a deduction - it would not be a dollar for dollar wash, as he is apparently assuming.


But what I get from you Beav, is that if you borrow from a HELOC to finance your car, you do not get a full deduction for all the interest you pay?

How much can you deduct?
 

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How much can you deduct?
100% of the interest. At least in the USofA in which I pay taxes.

Note: in case things are different up here. A deduction is a straight reduction of your taxable income. A credit is a straight reduction of your income tax itself. The mortgage interest is a deduction, which will likely result in a decrease in the tax paid by some 28% of the amount of the federal tax due. How much of a reduction you'll get in the state tax will vary.

Perhaps Mr. Beav might want to reconsider driving like a maniac. Not only will his cars last longer, but he'll be on the receiving end of considerably less road rage.
 

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You can deduct 100% of the interest you pay but the resulting deduction reduces taxable income, it is not a dollar for dollar wash of what you paid in interest. In other words it is not a credit. You are still paying more in interest than you are reducing your tax liability. So what is going out from you to the lender is more than what is coming back to you in tax dollars saved. It does not make sense to me to add unnecessary interest payments that exceed what you can get by way of reducing your tax liability.

I do not have any note on my car whereas most people that buy have to get a loan and pay interest, in the thousands of dollars. Where are the interest payments I am saving in your analyses? It does not exist because you simply have not analyzed it at all. And the people who are the poorest and have the worst credit usually pay the most in interest. This is also not analyzed at all.
 
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If there were no advantages to leasing nobody would ever do it.

Just in my opinion ( and my accountant ). Lease is 100% tax deduction if you own a business so many businesses lease, rentals are broken down over 4 years for tax deductions.
Leases are for people who can not afford to purchase a new vehicle ( not all cases but most ) but the person still wants a new vehicle ( No full GST/PST to pay for entire vehicle etc ). Leases are still cheaper short term.
After my 3rd vehicle purchase and always trading in my old vehicle my purchase payment was $220.00 per month for 2 years and then it was all mine. Just like buying or renting a house, what do you get after renting over 20 years........... Nothing.
 

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After my 3rd vehicle purchase and always trading in my old vehicle my purchase payment was $220.00 per month for 2 years and then it was all mine. Just like buying or renting a house, what do you get after renting over 20 years........... Nothing.

Your post begs the question of what exactly do you have at the end of 100,000 miles. In my adult life I have owned 3 vehicles and leased 3 vehicles. On the 3 vehicles I owned, I got virtually nothing on the trades. The reason why was all 3 cars hit 100,000 miles, were badly run down and in the case of the Subaru I had a $5,000 repair bill due to the engine cracking when it it hit 100,000 miles.

Some cars are reliable as they age but many are not. If you do not purchase extended warranty coverage (something you never need to worry about when you lease) then you could end up with huge repair bills. Unless you have a car that is worth a lot of money, it is not worth it to hang on to the car because you are moving towards zero from a lower starting point, and it does not take long to get there. If we are talking about lower end cars that do not hold resale value, what you are left with after all those interest payments is a shot asset that has little residual value. On the other hand there is a big market out there for pre-owned Mercedes and BMWs.

Leases require you to pay for the depreciation of the vehicle while you own it. I find that I am depreciating the car faster than what I am paying for depreciating it. Therefore, in a lease, I win. It's a victory over the system, more than anything else.
 
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Halloween Mike,

Si on laisse un peu de côté le débat sur louer ou acheté une voiture qui commence tant qu'à moi à être hors sujet et plutôt ennuyant... (C'est pas croyable autant de pages sur ça...),

Je crois que si tu vas chercher des diplômes ou certificats ça peut jamais nuire. Disons que ça prend minimum un secondaire 5 pour commencer.
C'est important que tu aies un permis de conduire au plus sacrant.

Un diplôme ne garantie pas un salaire qui va faire de toi un homme riche.
Car peu importe si tu as un secondaire 5 ou un diplôme d'université, c'est le coeur à l'ouvrage, la compétence qui vont t'aider à augmenter ta valeur (Par la reconnaissance)...
Dans une compagnie, ceux qui ont de meilleurs salaires sont ceux qui sont travaillant, n'ont pas froid aux yeux et qui vont évoluer dans la compagnie jsuqu'à atteindre des sommets.
Pour certains, même s'ils sont travaillant, ils ne pourront pas atteindre des postes de directions car ça prend des talents spéciaux à diriger du monde et faire face à toute sortes de situations et aussi à avoir certaines aptitudes aux aspects politiques d'une compagnie...
Je pense faire une bonne job mais j'ai déjà suive des tests psychométrique et je ne suis véritablement pas un meneur d'homme.
Donc, plus que tu peux prendre des responsabilités et plus que tu vas monter... Comme un mécanicien qui devient éventuellement contre-maître et éventuellement surintendant puis VP...
Y en a qui monte plus vite que d'autres... Des diplômes aident évidemment à atteindre les sommets plus vite parfois...

Avoir une job syndiquée dans une papetière ou autres usines d'une grosse compagnie ou une job pour la ville ou gouvernement, normalement, offre une sécurité d'emploi, un très bon salaire et d'excellents avantages sociaux et que dire des primes de temps supplémentaires...
Pas besoin de gros diplômes pour travailler sur une ligne d'assemblage. Et les salaires sont élevés parfois.

Avec un salaire de 50-70K brute par ans, faut juste pas que tu commences à tout dépenser en t'achetant un char, un pickup, un VTT, Une maison avec piscine, spa... etc... Si tu gardes les deux pieds sur terre et vit selon des besoins raisonnables en évitant l'endettement autant que possible, il va t'en rester en masse pour le Hobby sans être hyper riche.

Évite d'avoir 12000 cartes de crédit... une c'est assez et ne t'en sert pas si tu peux pas payer le solde... Rien de pire que le crédit car y a pas tant de gens qui savent gérer ça... Surtout les jeunes...

J'ai constaté que tu t'exprimes bien avec sincérité... Je te verrais dans un travail avec le public...
Il faut apprendre à connaitre nos talents, nos habiletés, nos faiblesses...
Si tu n'aimes pas ton travail, tu vas avoir plus de misère à grandir dans ce travail et obtenir plus de $$.

Ce qui est difficile, c'est d'obtenir son premier emploi bien rémunéré.
Les offres d'emplois bien rémunérés qui ne demandent pas de gros diplôme, sont souvent pris d'assaut et ce sont souvent accordés à des connaissances d'employés de l'entreprise ou à ceux qui se démarquent lors de l'entrevue parmi des centaines... Donc il faut que tu saches vendre ta salade...

Moi ma première entrevue s'est mal déroulée... Mais l'autre qui passait avant moi n'a pas été mieux et 1. J'avais un diplôme universitaire dans une spécialité plutôt rare dans la petite ville ou j'étais (L'autre aussi) et 2. Je me suis aperçu après que un des employés qui m'a passé en entrevue avait un frère que je connaissais... Finalement j'ai été lucké... Mais ce fut la chance qui m'a starté dans vie...

Bonne Chance!
 

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They are a lot more than that but to me worth it.

tiannas said:
As a single parent I have no idea how much my daughter has cost, I know it's a lot. But like STN, to me it's absolutely worth it.

I have no doubt that a child will bring you happiness.

But this is a thread about being rich, not being happy. :(

For most people, it's a hard choice you're going to have to make ... you CAN'T have it all.
 

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Agreed, Sol. Leasing is a fancy word for renting. You are MUCH better off deducting interest paid on a car loan than you are paying rent on a new car every three years.
 

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Your post begs the question of what exactly do you have at the end of 100,000 miles.

You keep a car for 100,000 miles? That is about 8 years of driving for the average driver and if you go over 16,000 miles a year they charge by the mile and not cheap, for a 3 year lease you would be allowed 48,000 miles and if you owned it would still have warranty which would make it more valuable on trade in, if you go over in km like by 52,000 as you say 100,000 km ouch for the extra charges. So if you had 6 vehicles ( 3 purchase and 3 lease ) at 100,000 miles each that is 48 years of driving and now at the end you own nothing.
The lease is set up ( for the majority ) for people who want to live past their means ( want new flashy stuff but can not afford to purchase ).
 

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You keep a car for 100,000 miles? That is about 8 years of driving for the average driver and if you go over 16,000 miles a year they charge by the mile and not cheap, for a 3 year lease you would be allowed 48,000 miles and if you owned it would still have warranty which would make it more valuable on trade in, if you go over in km like by 52,000 as you say 100,000 km ouch for the extra charges. So if you had 6 vehicles ( 3 purchase and 3 lease ) at 100,000 miles each that is 48 years of driving and now at the end you own nothing.
The lease is set up ( for the majority ) for people who want to live past their means ( want new flashy stuff but can not afford to purchase ).

I don't think you read what I wrote. On the 3 cars I owned I went to 100,000 miles on each. The cars fell apart and I was left with little residual value because I depreciate cars beyond their mileage. On the 3 leases, they were or will be traded in before lease end while still in warranty. I did not pay any mileage penalty because I got it waived as part of the new lease negotiations. I was under mileage on one lease and over on the other. Again, the excess mileage charge was waved. You guys think these are not bargaining points, and this is simply not true. They know you are another lease and they want your business.
 
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