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jalimon

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SSJ do do not make non sense comparison... We have a vaccine for the flu. Car crash and heart attack are not contagious. With this virus we need to wait until one of the above happens:

Better treatment
Great fast testing capacity
More data on the real contagion rate
Of course eventually a vaccine.

Until one of these becomes significant we will need to be very careful and isolate our self a lot.

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I agree. So going forward I think we should insist that all blowjobs will be BBBJ as well as CIM at no additional cost!

You can insist all you want, but in the end this is up to each provider to decide. And after suffering such losses of revenue i think they will want to recoup as much money as possible and not give any free extras. I think this is definitely a non-starter.
 

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Who would of predicted that hospitals would have to lay-off staff due to the Covid 19 crisis: https://www.michiganradio.org/post/...-cuts-because-covid-19-related-revenue-losses

I have heard first hand accounts from relatives in other states that are health care workers that they are experiencing the same thing. A hospital in Phoenix is half empty waiting for the rush of Covid 19 patients that has yet to materialize. Meanwhile, there are massive layoffs at these hospitals. Imagine that? This is horrible.

Let's put a plan together to protect the most vulnerable and get the economy up and running and see some return to normalcy. This is crazy.
 

jalimon

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Hungry they are layoff in American hospital because those are businesses. In pretty much every other country it's not the case. In Montreal they reopened an old hospital (close to where Euphoria used to receive ;) ) as a full fledged testing center.

Patron I agree with you. We are lucky to live in develop countries. In many other parts of the world they are not as lucky. By the way in Quebec the first Mexicans (and some from Guatemala) already arrived to be put in quarantine before working the fields later this spring.

I don't think we disagree much. All I am trying to say is to give time some time. It's still way too early for full reopening. It will have to be a slow process over 3-4 months maybe more. Flattening the curve is exactly that. It's being careful to make sure our healthcare workers are not scared/infected too much. I would never dare speak about acceptable death rate to a nurse as she would slap me harder then the girl I once CIM by mistake ;)
 

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Jalimon - What is acceptable risk? If no risk is acceptable than why not shelter in place for the normal flu season which has a 0.1% death rate every year? Research in California is suggesting a 0.2% death rate for Covid-19. What is the death rate due to the mental anguish and increase in obesity and other factors created from the hysteria of this pandemic?
 

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And what is normal ?
It’s True that there are half empty hospitals , but that’s because of the lockdown . If we go back to normal I imagine those hospitals will quickly fill up
If governments decided to leave the virus unchecked millions more would have died
What effect you think that would have on the economy? .... we need to buy a bit more time so our governments can figure the best course of action , we are starting to talk like it’s been years when it’s been but a month or so

Eventually they may decide that what is needed is to better quarantine the elderly and the immunocompromised and better protect our nursing homes and such from outsiders and then just let the younger ones return to work
 

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There is tamiflu for the flu. There are multiple vaccines for the flu. Mostly inactivated and quadrivalent I might add.

The flu, motor vehicle accidents with patients sustaining poly trauma, heart attacks are not flooding hospital Casulties/ER’s requiring patients to be placed on 5 litres of oxygen or ventilation

no college/university/ medical/dental/law school is gonna be closed for 4 fucking years, lol.

who is fear mongering now?

Sure there’s empty icu beds in Phoenix, but there’s tents being set up in other city’s with full ers and ICU beds, just because Phoenix doesn’t see it doesn’t mean nyc has to start sending everyone back.

theres a plan to open up, but some places need to fucking stabilize first before you can get a massage and get one rubbed off or a hair cut
 

hungry101

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There is tamiflu for the flu. There are multiple vaccines for the flu. Mostly inactivated and quadrivalent I might add.

And still, there is a 0.1% mortality rate from the flu. What is acceptable risk?
 

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Jalimon - What is acceptable risk? If no risk is acceptable than why not shelter in place for the normal flu season which has a 0.1% death rate every year? Research in California is suggesting a 0.2% death rate for Covid-19. What is the death rate due to the mental anguish and increase in obesity and other factors created from the hysteria of this pandemic?

Just a little something that you left out H. Corona19 has infected many more people in 2 months than the seasonal flu infects in 8 months.
 

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TNB, you already know that any given year the efficacy of the flu vaccine oscillates. This is not a good argument. They just guess which strains are going to be circulating the upcoming flu season and just hope they were correct. Antivirals like oseltamivir are only effective if started shortly after infection. The fact of the matter is that people who say there can’t be an acceptable death rate are basically virtue signaling. Jalimon, are you saying that the economy should stay ground to a halt until there are ZERO deaths each day?
 

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ssj you can`t equate a hypothetical "no acceptable death rate" with an actual death rate. Jal is way too smart to actually believe in a no death rate scenario...Not even close to one. We should stick to what we can control or at least effect the outcome to a manageable level..
 

hungry101

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Just a little something that you left out H. Corona19 has infected many more people in 2 months than the seasonal flu infects in 8 months.

Hey Cloudy - Good point. I just think that there is a better way. For example, we need to afford more protection to people like yourself. Is there a way to do this a little more targeted and not crash the economy and cause other problems? Is the only way for everyone to shelter in place for an indefinite period of time?
 

jalimon

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Exact Cloud. It's all about being able to manage it instead of the other way around. And it takes a bit of time for that.

There will never be a zero death rate. But right now the illness caused by this virus is the number 1 cause of death in the US. Killing more people every day than heart disease or cancer. All that in the space of a month...

Look even Amazon employee are going on strike saying their condition are too dangerous.... That they are not well equipped. Just imagine all the lawsuit and strikes if you open everything..
 

The Nature Boy

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TNB, you already know that any given year the efficacy of the flu vaccine oscillates. This is not a good argument. They just guess which strains are going to be circulating the upcoming flu season and just hope they were correct. Antivirals like oseltamivir are only effective if started shortly after infection.

WTF!?! These modalities are keeping people out of the hospital and not over burdening health systems, causing over infections in police/fire dept and 1st responder medics, and with your 0.1% mortality rate hungry

yea, there needs to be a targeted response. But what we are going through in UK is still in the trying to keep calm as we get the shit punched out of us in a boxing match by this virus, we are not alone and am sure are joined by other cities.

The social distancing done in ny, Cali, Seattle could be the very reason why those Phoenix beds are empty

no one is saying lock everyone up and throw away the keys for years and years. That is just pure fear mongering
 

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You can insist all you want, but in the end this is up to each provider to decide. And after suffering such losses of revenue i think they will want to recoup as much money as possible and not give any free extras. I think this is definitely a non-starter.

First of all my comment was a response to another comment and meant as a joke. Secondly, I have my own financial problems to worry about because of the pandemic and could care less about providers that are most likely sleeping on beds of cash. As far as recouping as much money and not giving extras I think you are very wrong. So many girls will be getting into the provider game and will squeeze out the entitled Twitter complainers with a fresh new group of girls looking to earn and providing the services that Montreal used to be famous for.
 

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Who would of predicted that hospitals would have to lay-off staff due to the Covid 19 crisis: https://www.michiganradio.org/post/...-cuts-because-covid-19-related-revenue-losses.

Once elective surgeries are permitted again this should correct the problem. It is madness that the people who are literally risking their lives by going into work everyday get shit on like this. A business like a hospital should care more about keeping people on the payroll for a few extra weeks and take the hit while keeping our brave employees working.
 

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Exact Cloud. It's all about being able to manage it instead of the other way around. And it takes a bit of time for that.

There will never be a zero death rate. But right now the illness caused by this virus is the number 1 cause of death in the US. Killing more people every day than heart disease or cancer. All that in the space of a month...

Look even Amazon employee are going on strike saying their condition are too dangerous.... That they are not well equipped. Just imagine all the lawsuit and strikes if you open everything..


This is a multi-parametric problem. There are lives lost to COVID directly and lives lost due to measures enacted to mitigate COVID. How many lives will be shortened when people lose say half of their life savings? When country’s revenue is going down the quality of the medical service is also affected. So how many lives will be lost to this? It is a difficult problem but for sure there needs to be a balance. Did we react in optimal way to save maximum of lives? Probably not.
 

Halloween Mike

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Sol Tee Nuts post around 7 pages ago was pretty good.

One thing to remember is that South Korea stories about peoples retesting positive may simply be test errors. We have 3000+ cured here in Canada, at some point they will probably be retested and we will know for sure if indeed the virus go dormant instead of bring cured. Because based on what we know of virus, you CAN'T catch the exact same virus twice. That being said i saw reports by a doctor on TV mentioning the virus may change itself when it get in contact with different "host", not its core but the proteins around and thats why it make it hard to get a vaccin. That being said im no doctor and don't quote me on that.

As for treatment, we already know Hydrochloroquine is working to ease it, Quebec never mention it but its been mentioned by doctors around the world. There is even stories of covered it up because too much money is at stake with the vaccin etc. I saw today nicotine of all things could help? LOL

The Vaccin if/when it get approve may simply help but sure it will not be a miracle solution, we know that. That being said no matter what is decided life has to restart sometimes.

The biggest issue with what i understand about covid19 is not that its "that deadlier" than other virus, its just much more contagious than flu etc. It spread fast, wich cause the issue...

I was watching Iron Maiden Rock in Rio yesterday on youtube, seeing all these peoples in the crowd rocking, close to each others, 100 000 peoples !! I really wonder if we will be able to see that again in a close futur (a few years) or shows will have to become "sit at a table 2 meters away from each others" once the worst has passed.

Right now even tough at times i get vocal about my wish to PROGRESSIVELY start deconfinement, and when i say PROGRESSIVELY i mean start with a few things, like small businesses, seeing 2/3 friends at our home, stuff like that, im not talking borders, festivals and other big things like that, well even tough i say that, i do see some current advantages of being "on hold" and one of them is im spending a lot less. Its been confirmed (even tough we knew it for a while obviously) that Montreal Comiccon is reported to 2021, so iim crossing that on my list (thats 400$ i won't spend there) and my Amaranthe show in August will also not happen due to Montreal rules, so its another 200$ (ticket + expenses) is save. Megadeth in October... super unlikely, already had my ticket paid so ill get that 120$ or so back, plus again expenses.

And when it comes to meetings, well Montreal is the most touched region, so the last one that will be deconfined ... even if sex workers start back working in June, maybe i won't even be able to make it due to transportations. So who knows it may take me til August/September to see someone again. Therefore during that time, ill be smart, keep expenses to a minimum and pay that card.

Its at the moment my biggest ray of light, as the world is upside down in crap due to the virus, my personal life on the short term may improve in some way so it kinda keep me "optimistic" .

BUT and there is a big but, i remember when i was 18/20, i was miserable in term of life. I was ultra fat, i was staying at home eating and gaming, only seeing 1 friend a couple times a week for gaming, i was never going anywhere beside restaurants and stores at times. Then as time pass, i started expending, at 21 or so i watched my first musical show in Quebec City, at 24 i started going to Montreal and discovered the escort world. And from that i started to "travel" (even tough i never left Canada) a bit more, i was less afraid of leaving home and basically what im trying to say is that nowadays i often go to Montreal, i go watch shows, i was thinking this year of maybe going to Toronto once by train, a trip i always wanted to do, and my long term plan is to one day make a trip to the USA and see someone there, either high end escort (one in particular i follow on twitter...if she is still around by then) or maybe a pornstar. Obviously this will cost a lot so its why i said long term (3/4 years). Im just hoping that ill be able to do this still and the world will not remain in a bad state forever. And if anything the "misery months" wiil have accelerated the savings/refunding to put on those trip.

My point is i feel like i started really living in my mid 20s and im in my mid 30s now. I have a good 30 years to enjoy life before im "old" and i want to make the most out of it...
 

jalimon

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Well Patron she is right. As a mayor she does not have the authority to reopen so it's logical she's not the once who will give guidelines as well.

But she is as naive as one can be...

She says...
"I want everything back. We never closed down the United States. We've never closed down Nevada. We've never closed down Las Vegas because that's our job. Entertainment capital of the world where everything is clean"

For fucking christ sake we ALL want everything back. But someone should tell her there is a pandemic out there.

Beside would you go to Vegas right now? Seriously?
 
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