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Unfortunately, Trump just tweeted his encouragement:

“The Governor of Michigan should give a little, and put out the fire. These are very good people, but they are angry. They want their lives back again, safely! See them, talk to them, make a deal.”


https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1256202305680158720?s=21

Yeah that is what I was afraid of... Reminds me of the redneck at a previous manifestation with a sign that said "End the virus, not the economy!". When you're that retarded there is not much talking you can do...
 
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Pls do feel free to continue flaunting yr ignorance. If u can’t even understand how critically important peer review is for scientific studies then u shld just admit that fiction or fantasy is more yr area of specialty like Trump.

You've replied several times talking about ignorance, how smart you are, how well you've done in the stock market etc. All things that you should be very proud of, quite impressive.

The one thing you haven't done is answer the question as to where you've gotten your proof to claim that Dr. Fauci was "forced" into to mentioning something positive about Remdesivir.

If this is your opinion that's great, but stop trying to play it off as fact.
 

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Dr. Fauci was "forced" to mention something positive about Remdesivir.

I have no evidence, but knowing Trump, I would have no surprise to believe this claim.

Everyone is afraid of him, because he is a man without any judgment (proof, the history of the disinfectant, and the introduction of a UV lamp in the body to kill the coronavirus). His only argument is economics, it was the only thing to do. I watched the press conference when Dr. Fauci announced the news. Trump asked a question, and Fauci told the President that it was a good question. What a beautiful staging !!

When I think back to a toy that my children had when they were young, you know, the clown who comes out of the box you don't know when, and that scared everyone. Trump is exactly the same.
 
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This will get old when yawl will have another 4 years to chastise a man for trying to do his job while up against a fake new media hammering with twisted and untruths at the rate no President has ever seen.

Trump is fighting for all Americans in combating this china virus yet there are many, like many here on this thread, that would rather see people's lives altered forever all because the likes of CNN said it was right ... and those that haven't looked up Foci's background, all of it, are the same sheep that CNN loves to have follow them into the dark water blindly.

You can expect this virus to be with us just like the Flu is ... or will it vanish as SARS or MERS did more or less ... vaccine? Don;t count on it ... we have one for the Flu - raise your hand - who gets it every year and then of those who still gets sick during the season?

Lets see if all the intellects here can go a full 24 hour period without mentioning or bringing up OUR President Trump ... is it possible? Coronavirus chat only - no Trump ... 24 hours from now .... ready, set, go ...
 

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..... The one thing you haven't done is answer the question as to where you've gotten your proof to claim that Dr. Fauci was "forced" into to mentioning something positive about Remdesivir.

If this is your opinion that's great, but stop trying to play it off as fact.

Pls stop w/ the misleading statement, I specifically wrote that “Trump forced Dr. Fauci to mention that positive Remdesivir study on That day.”

That’s a huge difference from what you are now trying to mislead everyone with which is claiming that I wrote that Dr. Fauci was "forced" into to mentioning something positive about Remdesivir.

It is the suspicious timing that I was highlighting and I have already laid out my case clearly which is:
1. Credible scientists will not publicly promote a drug study that has not been verified via peer review.
2. Dr. Fauci is a highly credible & respected scientist.
3. Dr. Fauci could have simply waited a few more days for the positive study to be peer reviewed.
4. Trump is well-known for arranging to pump up the stock market especially on days when there is terrible news.
5. If Dr. Fauci wasn’t forced by Trump, why would the most respected scientist in the entire government violate scientific ethics and protocol?

Also look at the end results: On Wed, US released data that the economy shrank 4.8% in the 1st Qtr but yet US stock market indices went up 2 to 3+% b/c of Fauci’s premature annoucement on Remdesivir.

If you still want to dismiss all these facts & evidence as merely “my opinion” then go ahead. Maybe you can finally get that well-deserved pat on the head from yr fellow Trump cultists.
 

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Fuck!!! Those are seriously scary looking assault rifles. They even tried to enter the legislative chamber floor with those rifles.

There's nothing more un-American than that scene in Michigan yesterday. I mean....what the fuck??? How is this allowed?? I'll bet the outcome would have ended differently if the armed terrorists' skin color would have been black instead of white!
 

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Pls stop w/ the misleading statement, I specifically wrote that “Trump forced Dr. Fauci to mention that positive Remdesivir study on That day.”

If you still want to dismiss all these facts & evidence as merely “my opinion” then go ahead. Maybe you can finally get that well-deserved pat on the head from yr fellow Trump cultists.


I posted some potential good news about coronavirus and you decided to negate it by throwing your opinions and politics into this. So let's be clear about how this got started by you.

I'm not misleading anyone, that's your job.You wrote what you wrote and you cannot verify that Trump forced Dr. Fauci into making the statement regarding Remdesivir. I'ts very clear that your trying to mislead people by falsely injecting your opinion of what you thought happended. Fact is Dr. Fauci made a statement. Your opinion was that he was forced to make it.

Your 1-5 points are yet again, opinions.

1. Credible scientists will not publicly promote a drug study that has not been verified via peer review. Opinion
2. Dr. Fauci is a highly credible & respected scientist. Opinion
3. Dr. Fauci could have simply waited a few more days for the positive study to be peer reviewed. Opinion
4. Trump is well-known for arranging to pump up the stock market especially on days when there is terrible news. Opinion
5. If Dr. Fauci wasn’t forced by Trump, why would the most respected scientist in the entire government violate scientific ethics and protocol? Opinion

As far as misleading anyone, I was the one who posted something good about a potential drug for coronavirus that was mentioned in a press conference (fact), you decided to inject your opinion by stating it was forced (opinion).

Regarding getting a pat on the head for being a Trump cultisits, that once again, is your opinion. I never said it was about Trump, you did.

I'll agree to disagree, and stick to the facts.
 
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President Donald Trump has announced that he is finally giving up on removing the coronavirus crisis cell set up to organize the federal response to the pandemic

You have to turn your tongue in your mouth seven times before speaking.
It means that you have to take the time to think before you speak so as not to risk regretting what you are saying.

Unfortunately in the case of Trump, he always speaks without thinking and when his entourage finds that he has again said bullshit, his entourage explains to him that what he said makes no sense, and especially that it will be not good for his election campaign, so there he goes back.
How can we leave all the powers in the hands of Trump?
It's completely irrational and dangerous.
 

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Life can return to a "new" normal.

Lessons from Germany, as discussed in today's WSJ:


"MULFINGEN, Germany—When much of Europe’s economy shut down in mid-March, business kept right on going at Ebm-papst Group, a fan and motor manufacturer based near Germany’s Black Forest.

Throughout the six-week national lockdown that now is gradually being lifted, the family-owned company kept its domestic factories running at 80% of normal capacity, said Chief Executive Officer Stefan Brandl.

Social distancing, ubiquitous face masks, in-house Covid-19 tests and contact-tracing when employees fell ill helped the company keep its plants open. Just 15 of its 6,700 employees in Germany have contracted the virus, the company said.

Large parts of Europe have been ravaged by the pandemic, but Germany has fared better. While it has seen roughly the same number of diagnosed infections as similar-size neighbors—Italy, Spain, France, the U.K.—it has registered only about one-quarter as many deaths.

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German businesses also cite their presence in China, Germany’s largest trade partner, as an important factor in helping them prepare for the pandemic.

“Nearly everybody somehow is located in China,” said Thilo Brodtmann, executive director of the German Mechanical Engineering Industry Association, or VDMA, which represents more than 3,000 companies.

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Ebm-papst, the fan and motor maker, has three factories in China. When the coronavirus began sweeping through that country, Thomas Nürnberger, the Shanghai-based head of the company’s China operation, called his colleagues to sound the alarm, giving them weeks to prepare before the virus made landfall in Europe. One of his first pieces of advice was for them to buy masks—as many as they could.

“We started trying to buy them all over the world,” said Tobias Arndt, the comany’s head of logistics. Mr. Brandl, the CEO, said the company now had one employee whose sole job is to source masks. It has a stockpile of more than 100,000 and is beginning to experiment with reusable ones.

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Like most German companies, Ebm-papst routinely involves employee representatives in management decisions—a tradition called co-determination. The head of personnel and a workers’ representative sit on the crisis task force."

. . . .

Paul Horn GmbH, a precision toolmaker based in Tübingen, has kept its three factories running continuously. The company, which makes machines used to build medical devices, cars, airplanes, wind turbines and other products, has shortened shifts, but it hasn’t furloughed any of its roughly 1,000 employees.

It, too, has a crisis group of management and workers that meets daily. The company has rearranged its canteen and workstations, and moved departments to different buildings to increase distance between workers. Employees work staggered shifts and wear mouth and nose protection, including its CEO, who wears a bandanna."
 

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It is the suspicious timing that I was highlighting and I have already laid out my case clearly which is:
1. Credible scientists will not publicly promote a drug study that has not been verified via peer review.
2. Dr. Fauci is a highly credible & respected scientist.
3. Dr. Fauci could have simply waited a few more days for the positive study to be peer reviewed.
4. Trump is well-known for arranging to pump up the stock market especially on days when there is terrible news.
5. If Dr. Fauci wasn’t forced by Trump, why would the most respected scientist in the entire government violate scientific ethics and protocol?

Once somebody accepts money from the government, that person is no longer a scientist, since that persons livelihood depends on the government's interests. This disqualifies Fauci as a credible scientist, he is now a political figure.

It should be noted that the Niall Ferguson model that was widely used by government for policy decisions was NOT peer reviewed, and the Oxford research was dismissed. Government will pick and choose which research to use depending on whether or not it serves their interests.

Governments also are not homogeneous, there are factions within government fighting each other.
 

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This Ferguson guy is pathetic in that not only did he advocate for a "Wuhan Model" of containment (ie. military and police rounding up and hauling off Chinese citizens to an undisclosed encampment for involuntary quarantine) to be broadly applied to the rest of the world ... this hypocritical fool not only did NOT follow that "containment" in his own life, but HAD the virus and yet was banging his married mistress WHILE being infected by having her NOT remain contained but instead visiting him at his apartment (probably a basement apartment) ... so that she could THEN go back to her HUSBAND and their CHILDREN to further infect and spread the virus.

Very similar here in States to Cuomo who WAS infected, supposedly quarantining in HIS basement, only to be "caught" visiting the construction site of his new beach house and chastised the person who CAUGHT him being out and about without a mask and within the timeframe of his infected period ... but THEN goes on his show to call people in parks "FOOL" and "Its not about you - you could be murdering someone" .... what hypocrites BOTH of these people are.

Oh, and to bring it all back home to Canada ... saw Trudeau said it was Jesus' model for health and safety for all to remain home and in place for Easter ... that is what Jesus would want .... but what does two-face hypocrite narcissist Trudeau do - jets off to Quebec to visit family at their lake house .... like any of YOU would have wanted to do but were chastised NOT to ....

What's good for you and mandated .... does NOT apply to "these" people.

That should piss any levelheaded normal person off ...
 

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Smart-Mouthed Dallas Salon Owner Jailed for Defying Lockdown Order:


In court she told the judge: "I have to disagree with you, sir, when you say that I am selfish, because feeding my kids is not selfish. I have hair stylists that are going hungry because they'd rather feed their kids."

"So, sir, if you think the law is more important than kids being fed, then please go ahead with your decision. But I'm not going to shut the salon."

These kinds of statements are considered contempt of court and almost always mean going to jail for some short period of time. But the question raised here is are we going to have obeyance of the rule of law or not? Way too many people are marching to their own drummers and anarchy is developing.
 

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Let's hope our beloved Montreal's first phase of reopening in two weeks goes well.

But hospitals' could become overwhelmed. Let's hope for the best.


"Quebec has two weeks to clear a backlog of COVID-19 patients recovering in Montreal-area hospitals, physicians say, or the city's health-care facilities won't be prepared for the reopening of schools and businesses.

Hospitals in the Montreal area are currently running out of beds, three weeks after health authorities stopped sending elderly patients back into the province's long-term care network, where the coronavirus continues to spread and claim dozens of lives each day.

"This is a new problem and it needs to be addressed fast," said Gilbert Boucher, head of Quebec's association of emergency medicine specialists.

"There are a certain amount of beds dedicated to COVID-positive patients on the island of Montreal. And those are full. There are still other beds in the hospitals that are empty, but they are fewer and fewer."

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The province has set aside roughly 700 beds around Montreal to serve as temporary recovery wards, converting hotels, hockey rinks and other sites to accommodate the hospital overflow.

But on Wednesday, Health Minister Danielle McCann said the massive staffing shortage in the health-care system — more than 11,000 workers are absent daily — is limiting how many patients can be transferred to these temporary wards.

"We have the physical locations, but we don't have the personnel to transfer more people who are currently in hospitals but who could be moved to the buffer zones," McCann told reporters."
 

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I wonder if parents in Quebec will allow their children to return to schools later this month.

OMG. Is Deputy Premier Geneviève Guilbault for real. What has been happening in NY disprove what this lady said. I hope she's right but . . . .

https://globalnews.ca/news/6910510/quebec-coronavirus-may-6/

Deputy Premier Geneviève Guilbault, who filled in for Premier François Legault on Wednesday, acknowledged that she understands that teachers and educators are feeling stressed about returning to work, but she said people who are under the age of 70 face minimal risks to their health.

“Public health authorities tell us that, before the age of 70, it is possible to return to work without significant risk,” she said. “All Quebec employers are asked to take this into account.”
 

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It appears that the first confirmed COVID case in Paris was as early as December.


With so much traffic between France and Montreal on holidays it is quite possible that it started to circulate in Montreal area around the same time. Has anybody heard anything about people getting sick with similar symptoms at that time (December-January)?
 

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I wonder if parents in Quebec will allow their children to return to schools later this month.

From the comments I read on Facebook most will not send. Many are outraged. I also suspect is they like getting the free money. I see Legault's logic to reopen schools and daycares. It is the first step to be able to reopen businesses otherwise many parents will have an excuse to not go to work and collect free money to sit home.
 
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