Coronavirus

[The Nature Boy]

I was under the impression that #’s have plateaued? In some states #’s are increasing as well as hospitalizations. The age bracket of those who are getting hospitalized has also shifted to 40-60 year olds.

But concur whole heartedly with your last statement

 

[ssj3]

Everyone should be concerned about variants. They are more contagious and being spread by younger adults and kids. Ontario is in lockdown but it still had a record of over 4000 cases yesterday. Lockdowns don`t work unless schools are closed, air travel is curtailed, and everyone is mandated by law to wear a mask.

Didn’t say variants shouldn’t be of concern..just said people are freaking out too much about them. Like I said, no variant has demonstrated vaccine escape. The main reason you’re seeing so many cases is because Canada is severely lagging behind in vaccinations.

 

[cloudsurf]

Didn’t say variants shouldn’t be of concern..just said people are freaking out too much about them. Like I said, no variant has demonstrated vaccine escape. The main reason you’re seeing so many cases is because Canada is severely lagging behind in vaccinations.

Very true that Canada is severely lagging behind the States in vaccinations, but its not the only reason that covid cases have spiked to all time highs.
When you get a vax and only build a low level of antibodies then you have a chance of catching covid after a vaccine ......as thousands of Americans have in the last couple of months. A form of vaccine escape found mostly among variants.

 

[ssj3]

When you get a vax and only build a low level of antibodies then you have a chance of catching covid after a vaccine ......as thousands of Americans have in the last couple of months. A form of vaccine escape found mostly among variants.

I am unaware of any documented cases of infection after full vaccination (post two weeks) let alone “thousands.”

 

[sene5hos]

Didn’t say variants shouldn’t be of concern..just said people are freaking out too much about them. Like I said, no variant has demonstrated vaccine escape. The main reason you’re seeing so many cases is because Canada is severely lagging behind in vaccinations.

Are you a virologist to make this claim?

 

[ssj3]

Are you a virologist to make this claim?

Here we go with the ad hominem attacks. I work in healthcare and have directly dealt with COVID patients so that gives me some credibility. Also @cloudsurf, antibodies are not the only thing that conveys immunity. You have to factor in T-cells, memory B cells and complement as well. The immune response is a robust one..people shouldn’t just focus on antibodies.

 

[sene5hos]

Here we go with the ad hominem attacks, No, it was a question.

Thank you for your answer, ssj3

 

[The Nature Boy]

Here we go with the ad hominem attacks. I work in healthcare and have directly dealt with COVID patients so that gives me some credibility. Also @cloudsurf, antibodies are not the only thing that conveys immunity. You have to factor in T-cells, memory B cells and complement as well. The immune response is a robust one..people shouldn’t just focus on

What is your field? Because it seems some of the comments your making are a bit off, with all do respect.

“If a virus mutates too much it will mutate itself out of existence”

So far it’s mutating and taking out a lot of peeps with it. These variants have changed the dynamics and age brackets of who is getting infected, and where.

Not saying shut all down and stay inside and lock ur doors, but some common sense please, wear a mask, wash your hands and if you see a SP ur dick and asshole as well please.

I’m fully vaccinated, I would go to a pub with a fully vaccinated group, but you better fuckin be sure i won’t be goin to see my 15 yo for about a week and after getting myself tested

If this corona virus mutates too much to the point it mutates out of existence, it will prob take more than a few people with it.

The key point is to stop it from mutating and the only way to do that is to stop it from replicating—>thus vaccinate as many as possible as keep as many peeps from getting infected with common sense measures, not lockdowns

Cloudy there are cases of people getting covid in USA after full Vaccination, I know a couple, but no one I’ve met was symptomatic. There are reports of some deaths(believe it’s out of Oregon) but it falls well within the efficacy rate of vaccines. There are many cases of reinfection, tons in South Africa and Brazil. I’m sure in USA too but testing and tracing is so shitty tough to keep track and that’s something some of you should criticize Biden about instead of talking bullshit about dementia and calling Harris a prostitute on an escort review board

In the Mid East where they are using one of the Chinese vaccines there are tons of cases of break through cases and deaths, but that vaccine is no where in North America or Europe

Just wear a mask, wash your hands, use common sense or else we could get a variant that escapes a vaccine

 

[EagerBeaver]

There are reports of some deaths(believe it’s out of Oregon) but it falls well within the efficacy rate of vaccines.

95% efficacy rate means that 5% of those who are vaccinated will have serious illness or death. With 5 cases out of every 100, people are going to die. We are all going to die of something, eventually, anyway.

 

[The Nature Boy]

Lot better rate than 500,000 + dead, @ that rate the virus is surely taking its time “mutating itself out” lol

 

[sene5hos]

95% efficacy rate means that 5% of those who are vaccinated will have serious illness or death. With 5 cases out of every 100, people are going to die. We are all going to die of something, eventually, anyway.
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I think in the remaining 5%, in general the symptoms will be less severe.

Yes Jim.

 

[IamNY]

Found this interesting article on how Canadians can avoid the 3 day/$2,000 quarantine by flying to an airport near the border and taking a taxi across. They still have to quarantine, but they can do it at home instead paying for a hotel stay. The American taxi drivers are considered essential workers so they are permitted to cross the border to bring Canadians across.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canadian-snowbirds-hotel-quarantine-land-border-travel-1.5980913

 

[raquelina0909]

95 percent efficacy for COVID vaccines doesn’t mean there’s a 5 percent infection risk. Here’s why

It also doesn’t mean 95 percent of people are protected from the disease.

www.mahoningmatters.com

“ So, in reality, the odds of getting symptomatic COVID-19 after vaccination is really 0.04 percent (not 5 percent) after you divide the number of vaccinated people who got sick to the total number of vaccinated people.”

 

[IamNY]

^^^^Out of the .04% that could catch Covid after being vaccinated it's very unlikely that you will have a severe case or need to be hospitalized. But it's still recommended to wear masks, social distance, etc. until the pandemic is over. It's gonna be a while until things get back to normal. A quote from the article below:

“The vaccine does not necessarily prevent you from getting COVID. It prevents you from being hospitalized or dying from it,” Dr. Kris Bungay, a Manhattan primary care physician, told The Post. “That is why we all still have to be careful.”

Brooklyn woman gets COVID 3 weeks after Johnson & Johnson vaccine

She’s shot out of luck. A Brooklyn woman who managed to avoid catching COVID-19 throughout 2020 went down with the bug this month — three weeks after being vaccinated. Ashley Allen, 31, …

nypost.com

Can You Get COVID After Being Fully Vaccinated? Chicago's Top Doc Breaks it Down

Can you get coronavirus after being fully vaccinated? The answer is yes, but what are the odds?

www.nbcchicago.com

 

[The Nature Boy]

104-year-old woman beats COVID-19 twice, gets applause from hospital staff

A 104-year-old woman from Colombia has successfully beat COVID-19 for the second time in less than a year.

www.timesnownews.com

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

That is why we all still have to be careful.”

Brooklyn woman gets COVID 3 weeks after Johnson & Johnson vaccine

She’s shot out of luck. A Brooklyn woman who managed to avoid catching COVID-19 throughout 2020 went down with the bug this month — three weeks after being vaccinated. Ashley Allen, 31, …

nypost.com

A clip from the article.

The vaccine does not necessarily prevent you from getting COVID. It prevents you from being hospitalized or dying from it,” Dr. Kris Bungay, a Manhattan primary care physician, told The Post. “That is why we all still have to be careful.

Just a point if view but isn't the chance of hospitalization and dying from this already ultra low? In Canada 2% of the cases have died from this and 2.6% caught the virus which makes it 0.06% of our population died from this in over a year.
I will wait a year and see if the numbers change before I get a vaccination since we will still need to mask up, social distance and lockdown .

 

[cloudsurf]

You are missing the point amigo. For a majority of people the vaccine prevents getting the virus and possible passing on the virus. Since it helps achieve herd immunity faster .....you and other sceptics should get jabbed

 

[IamNY]

I will wait a year and see if the numbers change before I get a vaccination since we will still need to mask up, social distance and lockdown .

Waiting a year or not waiting a year is entirely up to you. Since I’ve been fully vaccinated there is a huge feeling of relief that I will not end up in the hospital or die from this shit. Not a guarantee, but better than not being vaccinated at all. I’ll take that over waking up everyday and wondering if this is the day.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I will wait a year and see if the numbers change before I get a vaccination since we will still need to mask up, social distance and lockdown .

It could be that you have developed antibodies and it could be that you have just gotten lucky, but I would not leave this to fate. Masking up and locking down is not a guarantee you will be fine for a year. Right now all of Canada and especially western Canada is under a Level 4 travel advisory warning from the CDC. Americans are being urged to stay away from Canada at the moment, so things are not safe there.

 

[The Nature Boy]

Wow western Canada!?!?! Is it that bad? WTH is Saul talking about then? Where are all the cases?

Is Québec still where most of the cases are @?