Coronavirus

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Wow western Canada!?!?! Is it that bad? WTH is Saul talking about then? Where are all the cases?

Is Québec still where most of the cases are @?

You get excited too easily, cases, who cares. Hospitalizations are 349 for 4.4 million people, people in Alberta are not alarmed at all, rational thinkers I guess. Look at our amounts tested, how many do not even know they have the virus when tested positive. 2,000 deaths in over a year, most of those were very old people with preexisting conditions who would have died if any infection got them.
Is it that Bad? No.

 

[cloudsurf]

Sol let`s be logical. I know you to be a bright person so the following should be easy for you to understand.
The sooner a country brings this pandemic to a manageable level....the sooner the economy can turn healthy again.
Right now the best way to develop herd immunity and thereby a robust economy is by vaccination and mask wearing. Period.
The other option is do nothing and go down the path to hell like Brazil.

 

[The Nature Boy]

Because I do not feel like taking a rushed vaccine for something I have minimal chance of dying from ( I could get killed by a drunk driver next week but still go out ). I will wait since I have no concern.

Is it really rushed though. And I’m not trying to get you to take the vaccine. But I keep hearing all this stuff about rushed vaccines, what if this is the new standard? Hasn’t technology and science advanced so much in last 20 years? What if the new mRNA vax will normally take 2 years and we just rushed it to one?

This whole thing about waiting to get the vaccine, that don’t make any sense to me, no offense.

If your gonna wait and especially if you say you decline the flu shot every year, I’d just as much skip both of them based on that logic? Don’t wait, just don’t get them. You obviously don’t give a shit about being a vector for anyone else, so fuck em both. Why wait to see?

But if your “eventually” gonna get it, might as well do it now. No sense in waiting. What do you think they will discover a year or two from now that will make you say, “wow! Man am I glad I didn’t take the jab?”

Folks, this is gonna be a yearly thing. COVID WILL NOT MUTATE ITSELF OUT OF EXISTENCE. There will be a variant that comes along and it will escape current generation vaccines and a new generation will have to be produced. What will you say each time a new version is made? Say I’ll wait another year or two?

As per #’s goin up in western Canada, no, I would care and be alarmed. I don’t work in a mountain with cougars, I work in a hospital. If #’s go up—>more people end up in hospital—> more stress on hospitals and health care workers. If people die not a good thing, but there’s only so much monitoring, daily rounding on and talking with families about prognosis you would have to do with a dead guy

COVID-19: 1,293 new cases, five new deaths, hospital bed capacity at 87 per cent as Alberta battles uptick in variants

More-infectious COVID-19 variants make up nearly half of Alberta’s active cases, health officials said Saturday.

edmontonjournal.com

 

[EagerBeaver]

Because I do not feel like taking a rushed vaccine for something I have minimal chance of dying from ( I could get killed by a drunk driver next week but still go out ). I will wait since I have no concern.

I do not find this to be a logical statement. You can get killed by a drunk driver next week. You can also catch Covid next week, and die from it. Perhaps the chances of either happening are about the same. But you have the opportunity to eliminate one possible cause, and if so, reduce the risk of death by one of these 2 causes by 50%. I am a math and stat guy and I like the stats that say take the path that leads to a reduced chance of death. It is for this reason that I never tried climbing Mount Everest or zip lining over the Grand Canyon. I figure just too much shit can go wrong that is beyond my control. And I do not need to die by being frozen to death in ice for eternity, never to be found, or plunging 5,000 feet to the earth below with my body smashing onto a pile of rocks and then splattering all over so that my remains become food for lizards and vultures. But you are the guy choosing to take on a risk like that.

 

[The Nature Boy]

But see there’s still little comprehension about stuff even after a year. It’s not about whether you will die from it, it’s about getting others sick, it’s about possibly getting long haul symptoms.

I’m confident Saul even if he doesn’t get the vaccine may be protected somewhat, because that’s what herd immunity is. There are people who simply can’t get vaccinated for health reasons. Herd immunity essentially creates a herd around these people and all the silly gooses who choose not to get the vaccine for dumb dumb reasons. If enough of a herd is produced, Virus can’t penetrate in and get to peeps like Saul. Trick is to get as big a herd as possible.

 

[sene5hos]

I agree with my colleagues.

Sol according to your reasoning you are a gangler.

The day one of your children will test positive for covid, we'll see.

My children are in their thirties and they will take the vaccine when it's their turn.

Both do telework but would like to go back to their former lives.

 

[The Nature Boy]

Hey, hey, keep the kiddos out of it. No one wants any family members testing +, please

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

The waiting is to see if anything changes with the vaccine, just an assumption but I think this will be the same next year, new variants, stores still closed, more bankruptcies, child, spousal and drug abuse. As I posted earlier, about 90% on this job site refused the vaccine, I am not the only one on this.

 

[The Nature Boy]

I think it will get better. It will take time. Can’t just have USA vaccinated, gotta be the whole world. USA, Europe, Russia will have to step up. This is one of those things where USA can’t be like “why r we fronting most of the bill” if you want normalcy, closer world gets everyone vaccinated the better it is. One reason it was fuckin stupid to leave WHO even though they r China’s bitch

 

[EagerBeaver]

This is one of those things where USA can’t be like “why r we fronting most of the bill” if you want normalcy, closer world gets everyone vaccinated the better it is.

Although I generally do not like the idea of other countries incessantly either looking to the USA for help as the world's policeman/fireman/ER doctor/financial benefactor or else criticizing it when extends or flexes such authority, this is one area where I think the USA needs to step to the plate, at least for the countries in North America (something it has already done by giving AstraZeneca vaccine surplus to Canada and Mexico). But we need to focus on getting the USA at least 70% vaccinated before that international aid is lent. Until then Canada should be on its own and looking to its owns leaders and resources.

 

[IamNY]

I searched the US, Canada, and Covid and this is what popped up:

Canada is outpacing U.S. for new COVID-19 cases per capita

Daily new confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Canada have skyrocketed amid the third wave of the pandemic and have now outpaced the United States per capita.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[gallantca]

Although I generally do not like the idea of other countries incessantly either looking to the USA for help as the world's policeman/fireman/ER doctor/financial benefactor or else criticizing it when extends or flexes such authority, this is one area where I think the USA needs to step to the plate, at least for the countries in North America (something it has already done by giving AstraZeneca vaccine surplus to Canada and Mexico). But we need to focus on getting the USA at least 70% vaccinated before that international aid is lent. Until then Canada should be on its own and looking to its owns leaders and resources.

The proper solution is for countries to contribute to Covax. I believe the US has made a sizeable contribution.
Canada did a big contribution financially but did what is referred to a "passe passe".

If 70% is the threshold I suspect Canada will get their own their own. The vaccine pipeline was slow to start but there are a lot of vaccines arriving now.

 

[IamNY]

I didn't even know that Montreal reinstated the curfew until this riot came on my alerts. In NY we had riots almost every night for most of the summer:

'Absolutely unacceptable': Rioters set fires, smash windows in Montreal curfew protest

Rioters smashed windows and set fires in Old Montreal during a large protest that took place in violation of the city's 8 p.m. curfew on Sunday evening.

montreal.ctvnews.ca

 

[ssj3]

Lot better rate than 500,000 + dead, @ that rate the virus is surely taking its time “mutating itself out” lol

TNB, I have found that you are quite condescending towards people you don’t agree with which is evident in a lot of your posts. FYI, I have spoken personally with a very brilliant physician that heads Infectious Diseases at a major hospital system here in the US. She has talked about all the variants and about how she’s not too concerned about them due to some very effective vaccines that are available now and that like I said, if a virus mutates too much it will lose its ability to infect people as efficiently as it used to thus leading to its demise. I agree with her.

“Mutations can even lead to a virus becoming so weak that it eventually disappears completely. This was the case, for example, with the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) virus.

Starting in November 2002, the first SARS pandemic spread from southern China to almost all continents within a few weeks. As the first pandemic of the 21st century, it aroused great fears among the global population. However, SARS ended up claiming only 774 lives worldwide within six months.

By the summer of 2003, the number of newly infected persons worldwide was declining continuously, and in May 2004, the World Health Organization already declared this first SARS pandemic to be over.”

 

[cloudsurf]

ssj3 , its quite obvious that this coronavirus is quite different from the SARS virus and it hasn`t finished mutating. Some of the new variants are much more dangerous that the original Wuhan bug. Countries like Brazil that are runaway petri dishes for new variants are of special concern.
On the bright side US scientists working with the military , are on the verge of going to initial trial on a new vaccine that will be able to block all variants of the coronavirus including some common cold and flu bugs.

 

[ssj3]

@cloudsurf I was never comparing the two viruses..I was using the quote as an example of a virus that mutates too much to the point where it’s basically non-existent. The same concept still holds true for Covid as well.

 

[cloudsurf]

The purpose of mutation is to create a better defense or a better offence.
Covid has enough variants to survive and keep mutating even if certain mutants become harmless and /or die out.
The only thing that will stop its advancement is a wide spectrum super vax.

 

[transatlantic]

Haven't been in-town since January 2020 and haven't been on MERB as frequent as before. Are kissing allowed these days?

The recent re-up of the BBFS thread got me wondering how is kissing OK given that either party can bring COVID home and transmit to others especially vulnerable family members as well as other customers/providers.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

The purpose of mutation is to create a better defense or a better offence.
Covid has enough variants to survive and keep mutating even if certain mutants become harmless and /or die out.
The only thing that will stop its advanc, ement is a wide spectrum super vax.

There isn't such a thing as a "purpose" for a virus. Mutations just happen as error during the replication. Sometime it has no effect, sometime it is detrimental to its replication and we do not see it and sometime virus get an advantage. That is what we see with British, brazilian, south-african variants. Only way to stop this is vaccinating as much as possible so we slow down replication impairing production of "errors" = variants.

 

[The Nature Boy]

TNB, I have found that you are quite condescending towards people you don’t agree with which is evident in a lot of your posts. FYI, I have spoken personally with a very brilliant physician that heads Infectious Diseases at a major hospital system here in the US. She has talked about all the variants and about how she’s not too concerned about them due to some very effective vaccines that are available now and that like I said, if a virus mutates too much it will lose its ability to infect people as efficiently as it used to thus leading to its demise. I agree with her.

“Mutations can even lead to a virus becoming so weak that it eventually disappears completely. This was the case, for example, with the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) virus.

Starting in November 2002, the first SARS pandemic spread from southern China to almost all continents within a few weeks. As the first pandemic of the 21st century, it aroused great fears among the global population. However, SARS ended up claiming only 774 lives worldwide within six months.

By the summer of 2003, the number of newly infected persons worldwide was declining continuously, and in May 2004, the World Health Organization already declared this first SARS pandemic to be over.”

Oh hush, that shits gonna mutate. Dude, please. Who is this Dr?? What’s her name? Dr. Snufflelupagus?? Does she come out and give these lectures when all the other services have finished rounding??

Covid variant from South Africa was able to ‘break through’ Pfizer vaccine in Israeli study

The coronavirus variant first discovered in South Africa is able to evade some of the protection of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to an Israeli study.

www.cnbc.com

For fucks sake dude