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Womaniser

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Is anyone as surprised as me that there is not more backlash and protests in the streets over the 10pm curfew, particularly among young people? Complacency, no?

In most American cities, at this stage of the game - two years into pandemic - I doubt this tyranny would fly.
Did you ever lived in a real tyranny ? I seriously doubt it.
 
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This is not the end because of bow down to the government idiots who keep on complying and trust the government. They are prepping us to take boosters every 6 months.

That's your opinion, for the majority, the anti-vaxx are the idiots
 
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Why are you blaming a democratic government when this is a world wide problem and a harsh reaction from governments led by fascists to communists are issuing mandates and lockdowns. Maybe even a couple of anarchist leaders to. Maybe its not early to apply for a flight to Mars.
There is nothing democratic about forcing vaccines with passports. The last time I checked giving privileges for following orders is how prisons work. Btw in Florida everything is normal. No lockdowns, no vaccines passports, no forced masks. The way it should be. It should be up to the people to decide for themselves. Parents ground their kids not government, it is not their job to play Grandpa.
 
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That's your opinion, for the majority, the anti-vaxx are the idiots
Understand this because I am going to say this once. I am not anti-vaxx, I am anti-authoritarian. So do not keep on repeating anti-vaxx. Government has no business playing mommy. Government is too involved in everyones personal lives and they need to back off. All this charade they are making is to make money. It is all about profits. There is no sense of self-accountability, they force you to turn all decision making to a central government. That is communist. I am for the individual over the collective always.
 
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Because deep down inside, they are uncertain and unconvinced. They probably read the article you posted and wonder who the fuck is Elizabeth Weise and what exactly is this 'new evidence' she references that I should randomly believe in. They've become desensitized to the 24/7 impending disaster news feeds while watching Florida do nothing in regards to lockdowns, closures and mandates and have yet to see the state turn into a zombie apocalypse and pretty much experience the same level distress as other states and provinces.

Contrary to the annual flu shot example, they've probably never taken one (I never have). They are wondering why they should believe Fauci today, when he outright lied or was wrong when he said in an interview sometime ago that by taking the vaccine, it would be a dead end for the virus - and wasn't, not even for the other strains. And to Cloudsurfs question, they may not know anyone with adverse reactions to the vaccine, but they also know of little if any people directly around them that have died or become seriously ill. And they realize that covid deaths get recorded immediately, but real adverse reactions or deaths associated with the vaccine will take some time to catch up.

They wonder about these stats people throw around, like 98% of doctors support the vaccine, and wonder, is this 98% of doctors who are willing to speak? Over the past 18 months, I've spoken to 4 doctors in a professional and personal capacity. Two out of the four told me they wouldn't take the vaccine. My guess is the two against it (and who knows if they've since taken it), would never say this publicly. We know who gets 'cancelled' when they speak against, not the majority, but the loudest for a cause.

And lastly, most Americans (and Canadians) generally do the right thing, until they are told to.

Oh, and they watch videos like this that claim it is supported by a large swath of doctors and they don't know if any of it is really true, but think it sounds compelling.

I suppose you didn't do a search on the credibility of that organisation.
Do a little bit homework.
 
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Understand this because I am going to say this once. I am not anti-vaxx, I am anti-authoritarian. So do not keep on repeating anti-vaxx. Government has no business playing mommy. Government is too involved in everyones personal lives and they need to back off. All this charade they are making is to make money. It is all about profits. There is no sense of self-accountability, they force you to turn all decision making to a central government. That is communist. I am for the individual over the collective always.
Did you live in Staline's Russia ?
 
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I suppose you didn't do a search on the credibility of that organisation.
Do a little bit homework.
No interest, and not my point. My point was these are the types of videos people see, and most do not research the background no more so than most do not research the background of main stream media sources.
 

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I respect the Anti-vaxx freedom as long as they don't shw themslves at hospitals for Covid.

If they don't trust the vaccine (made by modern medicine), then why are they showing up at hospital to get treated by guess what! modern medicine.

Pretty weak sauce, IMO. No conviction behind their beliefs. Anti-vaxxers should just all stay at home and ride it out. Don't let the hospitals profit!!!!

Survival rates are pretty solid and they'll do just fine. Little teeny weeny virus is no match for their superior immune system!!!
 
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If they don't trust modern medicine, then why are they showing up at hospital to get treated by guess what! modern medicine.
It is not modern medicine they do not trust, it is the government they do not trust. The government has got their nose in everyones business.
 
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No, but you seem to know
Not, but to speak of tyranny, having lived in a real tyranny would be a good start.
One does not need to live in it to understand the concept of communism. I work with European colleagues who know first hand what communism is. Having said that I never said this is tyranny, I said it is authoritarian. Authoritarianism is a government who is more concerned with having people obey laws than in people having some freedom is an example of an authoritarian government. The definition of an authoritarian is a person who expects everyone to do what he says to do. Laws like the curfew. So far the data does not provide any evidence that it does anything but yet this law is there just to show to the world that Lego is a big shot and is doing something. These new additional measures demonstrate that the government of Quebec is operating under fear, panic, and overall hysteria. All these rules are theory and politically driven and not supported by data. The government had 21 months to prepare an improve and the reality is all is the same as usual. It is basically about money, they do not want anyone in the hospitals so they lock people down. This problem with the healthcare system has been a problem for years. Hospital staff got to deal with poor working conditions due to government mismanagement. Lego sure acts like a dictator because of his use of the Notwithstanding Clause often. His decisions are bases on emotion rather then facts. Trudope keeps on bringing immigrants/refugees and giving them so much welfare to encourage as many to enter Canada yet they got no extra money to expand the healthcare system. So in essence they artificially increase the population without increasing healthcare resources to handle the increased population. After 21 months the healthcare system is still the same. The ration of hospital beds to population is very low. Yet Lego has lots of money to the OQLF, Bill 21, and Bill 96 which all btw are authoritarian measures (policing language). One of the CAQ main priorities but nothing for healthcare for things that really matter. See the irony in their actions. To me this is the basis of communism.

  1. Let's see, the government tells you how to behave and what to do in your own home (communist).
  2. The government is restricting your freedom of movement because apparently covid seems to be on a schedule (communist).
  3. Covid, a virus with the same symptoms as a common cold and flu.
  4. 90% of the population is vaccinated and how now are catching covid in significant amounts yet they want to force 3rd and 4th doses.
  5. Winter time, increase in general virus activity and ppl spend more time indoors.
  6. Our healthcare system is the same or worse precovid.
  7. Precovid hospitals were overwhelmed in winter up to 300% capacity.
  8. Folks run to the hospital for non urgent issues (fever and a cough) as pre covid.
  9. After 2 years of covid with vaccines and some immunity, most of the deaths are attributed to other reasons but are still classified as a covid death.
  10. 98% of deaths in 2020 are attributed to government incompetences, potentiality preventable (CHLSDs).
  11. This is not the Ebola virus.
  12. This is not apocalyptic but the media and government brainwashed folks into believing it is
  13. No proof curfews and lockdowns work.
  14. Handling of covid in Quebec has been politicized.
  15. The government had an opportunity to use our tax money to fix the healthcare system in the past 2 year. The government choose to invest in the OQLF, one of their #1 priorities for 2020/2021.
  16. The CAQ is ignorant to other solutions because of money.
  17. Our society is suppressed and is moving backwards.
Need I go on. One last thing when you put collectivism over individualism (which is what the government has done) that is the basis of communism hence you see communism and collectivism the two terms are interrelated.
 
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Not, but to speak of tyranny, having lived in a real tyranny would be a good start.
Talking about tyranny, what the government did to old age homes I would classify this as tyranny. The seniors are locked down. They are basically being held as prisoners in the name of protection. In my book they are being held in prison. The seniors are not even given a choice as to what they want. The government decided for them. (communist).


 

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Diane Lamarre-- Pharmacienne---TVA ce matin.....2 doses vs OMICRIN protègent à 30%....et 3 doses à 88%...so do your math ;) .
I did the math and at that very moment I realized that I was only 3 doses away from being 88% safe and protected against an evil transformers invasion. I’m gladly booking all 3(maybe 4) doses next week with these odds.
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Québec....574,000 toujours de non vaccinés MAIS semble que les mesures restrictives annoncées et à venir par Dubé portent fruit.....en quelques jours les prises de rvous pour la 1ère dose sont passées de 1,5k à 6k/jour......bravo et merci à ces braves qui se joignent à l'effort collectif et qui finalement comprennent que c la seule façon d'épargner notre système de santé----mis à rude épreuve---et d'avoir ainsi accès à une vie plus ''normale''...:)
 

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Citizens over the age of 50 will be required to take a Covid vaccine in Italy as the country struggles with near-daily new records of fresh infections.
On Wednesday, 189,000 new infections were confirmed in the country of around 59 million people.

The Cabinet voted unanimously to impose the mandate, which Public Administration Minister Renato Brunetta said cracks down on those who refuse to be jabbed and who now account for the majority of patients in ICU beds.

Around 78% of Italy’s population is fully vaccinated against the virus and 36% have received a booster, which experts say is crucial in preventing severe illness of death.
 
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