COVID's vaccine, by whom, when, effective? all around the vaccine

[Halloween Mike]

Canada has shitty government for many things but I'd say we handled Covid better than most. And unlike many, I think we learned something

How? By being over prudent? By still keeping an emergency state with 77 or so daily cases? By still keeping a mask mandate in the heat of summer with such case numbers while everyone everywhere is lifting it? By barely allowing peoples to see each other at last with crazy regulations, still having to dox ouselves if we want to eat in a restaurant, and other pletera of idiocy.

Im sorry but Quebec in particular (i followed it less elsewhere in Canada) has been TERRRUBLE when it comes to it. Covid is pretty much done and out in many US states, im not saying the disease is gone, but they accept to live with it, they lifted the restrictions, while here we still have a gazillion tons of them.

 

[sene5hos]

Cloud's and Mike's belief is that the risk of the drug, for them, outweighs the risk of disease. While I don't agree with him and I think that argument is flawed because it is incomplete, it is their right.

More Than 12.7 Billion Shots Given: Covid-19 Tracker

Bloomberg counted up the shots administered in 184 countries and 59 US states and territories

www.bloomberg.com

More Than 3.41 Billion Shots Given: Covid-19 Tracker

It takes people who will not be vaccinated to care for the millions of people who have side effects.

 

[gallantca]

How? By being over prudent? By still keeping an emergency state with 77 or so daily cases? By still keeping a mask mandate in the heat of summer with such case numbers while everyone everywhere is lifting it? By barely allowing peoples to see each other at last with crazy regulations, still having to dox ouselves if we want to eat in a restaurant, and other pletera of idiocy.

Im sorry but Quebec in particular (i followed it less elsewhere in Canada) has been TERRRUBLE when it comes to it. Covid is pretty much done and out in many US states, im not saying the disease is gone, but they accept to live with it, they lifted the restrictions, while here we still have a gazillion tons of them.

Canada is currently in the top 3 countries in the world for vaccination depending on what metric you look at
We had fewer deaths than anyone in the G7, probably G20.
There was an economic impact as there was in all countries but it was no worst than anywhere else.

Did Trudeau screw up CERB, hell ya. Did others countries screw up worst by not helping people, hell ya

Did we have more sacrifices ? Yes, and we lost less people because of them.

While you think we can go back to normal, other countries like England and Israel have had to bring back restrictions to deal with the new variants. Hospitals in unvaccinated states like Missouri are struggling again.

Are we being too cautious ?
I have a friend that needs exploratory surgery for what may turn out to be serious. He can't get it because hospitals have not recovered. He is scheduled for September. Hopefully that won't be too late. Hopefully a resurgence won't push it back further.

The only way a resurgence is coming back is if the people that can't think beyond themselves screw it up for the rest.

 

[sene5hos]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/07/delta-variant-covid/

The highly transmissible coronavirus variant called delta is present in all 50 states and is already dominant in many parts of the United States.
Modeling shows the variant now accounts for 51.7 percent of all new infections in this country, five times the prevalence four weeks earlier, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for the week ending July 3.

“Although we expected the delta variant to become the dominant strain in the United States, this rapid rise is troubling,” CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said Thursday during a White House news briefing.

In some parts of the country, she said, delta is even more widespread. For example, in parts of the Midwest and upper mountain states, including in Missouri, Nebraska, Kansas and Iowa, the CDC’s sequencing of infections suggests the new variant may account for about 80 percent of cases.

The good news, Walensky said, is all three coronavirus vaccines authorized in the United States offer strong protection against severe disease and death from covid-19. Preliminary data from several states over the past several months suggests that 99.5 percent of covid-19-related deaths occurred among unvaccinated people, she said.

 

[Chouin95]

Your hospitalization example illustrates the point I have been trying to make.

Everyone has a right to an action until that action interferes with the rights of others.

If 40 percent of people remain unvaccinated by their choice, and if they crowd the hospitals as a result of catching Covid (I said if - no one knows if it will happen), a legitimate argument exists for each hospital to
limit the number of unvaccinated people it will admit to the hospital, so it can treat the non-Covid illnesses of everyone, vaccinated or not. All minors would be excluded from this demarcation of course, since their parents are largely responsible for their decisions.

That one is going to be a hard sell to a lot of people.

But if we continue to burden the health care systems as a result of continued Covid infections of the unvaccinated, eventually fewer young people will want to enter Health Care.

You have a good point there, let’s put the non-vax in a bidonville or build a wall or something…

 

[Rinzler]

Your hospitalization example illustrates the point I have been trying to make.

Everyone has a right to an action until that action interferes with the rights of others.

If 40 percent of people remain unvaccinated by their choice, and if they crowd the hospitals as a result of catching Covid (I said if - no one knows if it will happen), a legitimate argument exists for each hospital to
limit the number of unvaccinated people it will admit to the hospital, so it can treat the non-Covid illnesses of everyone, vaccinated or not. All minors would be excluded from this demarcation of course, since their parents are largely responsible for their decisions.

That one is going to be a hard sell to a lot of people.

But if we continue to burden the health care systems as a result of continued Covid infections of the unvaccinated, eventually fewer young people will want to enter Health Care.

if we follow your "logic", hospitals should put a limit on:

people they admit whose health conditions are due to substance abuse or excessive drinking. they had a choice, they decided to party instead of taking care of their health, so to hell with them

people they admit whose health conditions are due to smoking. they could have decided not to smoke, so to hell with them

people they admit whose health conditions are due to some irresponsible actions like getting into car accidents because they were speeding. to hell with them

people they admit whose health conditions are due to having a diet rich in fats or sugary stuff. everybody knows to eat lots of veggies so to hell with them if they decided to eat crap food

and the list goes on

If we get rid of all those people, think of all the room we would have in hospitals

 

[gallantca]

You have a good point there, let’s put the non-vax in a bidonville or build a wall or something…

Exile them to Alberta

 

[Chouin95]

As far as I’m concerned it’s Alberta and B.C. that handle the COVID situation the best in all major provinces. With less ridiculous restrictions than here or Ontario they kept the number of death at 2300 for a population of 4,5 millions…

 

[Fradi]

How? By being over prudent? By still keeping an emergency state with 77 or so daily cases? By still keeping a mask mandate in the heat of summer with such case numbers while everyone everywhere is lifting it? By barely allowing peoples to see each other at last with crazy regulations, still having to dox ouselves if we want to eat in a restaurant, and other pletera of idiocy.

Im sorry but Quebec in particular (i followed it less elsewhere in Canada) has been TERRRUBLE when it comes to it. Covid is pretty much done and out in many US states, im not saying the disease is gone, but they accept to live with it, they lifted the restrictions, while here we still have a gazillion tons of them.

I think everybody gets your point that you are against the vaccine and all the regulations that have been enforced.
What you don’t get is that there are many more people that don’t agree with you and that all these measures especially the vaccines are the reason that you will now be able to enjoy a normal life again.
I didn’t agree with the curfews as I think the virus is not able to tell time and will spread unless it is a real lock down, curfews are nothing more than inconvenient but not helpful.
Wearing masks, social distancing, and vaccines that work are not crazy at all and there are millions upon millions that will dispute that with you and I am one of them, it not only works for covid but for all infectious viruses including the flu.

I believe in results and science and it is not a coincidence that countries with the best record of vaccination are the ones able to return to a normal life sooner, you do not need to be a rocket scientist to see this.

 

[sene5hos]

You have a good point there, let’s put the non-vax in a bidonville or build a wall or something…

or:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/coldstream-resident-wildfire-overnight-1.6097989

New wildfire ignites close to Vernon, B.C.

 

[Halloween Mike]

I think everybody gets your point that you are against the vaccine and all the regulations that have been enforced.
What you don’t get is that there are many more people that don’t agree with you and that all these measures especially the vaccines are the reason that you will now be able to enjoy a normal life again.

Or pretty much some peoples believe in the false fear mongering and are fine allowing control to govs if it keep them in "what they believe is safe"

I was enjoying normal life again in 2020... just not anything gov regulated. Had even an SP wich i won't mentiom name of course tell me she had her nail, hair etc done while gov dictatorship was on. She knew peoples.

We may be the resistance. But we are right. You are Skynet. Control.. autority...never been my thing. And if you indulge in this hobby... it shouldn't be yours either. Cause you are outlaw from partaking in it.

 

[Fradi]

HM,
Linking this to the Hobby is rediculous.
I am control how did you figure that?
I don’t give give a shit what other people do normally, however that all changes when they thumb their finger in the face of all common sense and start endangering me, my children and grandchildren by potentially spreading something that may be deadly to any and all.
No it is not everyone else that needs to lock themselves away so that you can enjoy life to the fullest, that is not the way the majority of people think luckily.
What other people do I cannot control but I will try not to infect others as best I can, and yes I am one of millions that wear a mask in public places, keep the social distance required where possible and have gotten both doses of vaccine.

 

[gallantca]

Vaccinations are an obedience test.

LOL, I was told it was an IQ test.

 

[sene5hos]

COVID Data Tracker Weekly Review

The week’s key data, narrative interpretations, & visualizations.

www.cdc.gov

The highly transmissible B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant continues to spread across the United States at a rapid pace.
Early data suggest that B.1.617.2 now makes up more than 50% of COVID-19 cases. In some parts of the country, this percentage is even higher, especially in areas with low vaccination rates.
This rapid rise is concerning and threatens the progress the United States has made toward ending the pandemic.

Fortunately, we have safe and effective vaccines that prevent severe disease, hospitalization, and death.

People who are fully vaccinated are protected from B.1.617.2. If you are not yet vaccinated, you are at risk of infection and should continue to practice prevention strategies and get vaccinated as soon as possible.
Turning the corner on the pandemic, getting back to normal, and stopping the spread of B.1.617.2 requires all of us doing our part.

 

[gaby]

Les autorités médicales américaines sonnent l'alarme....le DELTA VARIANT fait de plus en plus de ravage et les hospitalisations sont en croissance dans plusieurs états.....rien de rassurant....et ces mêmes autorités plaident évidemment en faveur de la vaccination..

D'ailleurs selon CDC 99.5% des personnes décédées du COVID depuis Janvier n'étaient PAS VACCINÉES......n'est-ce pas assez clair ???....puissant message non???? alors un effort...on fait ce que doit plz plz plz.

 

[gaby]

CANADA....update...

FIRST DOSE.....CANADA 69% ONTARIO 69% QUÉBEC 71%

SECOND DOSE..CANADA 45% ONTARIO 49% QUÉBEC 41%.......c'est IMHO un MINIMUM acceptable mais faut faire plus.....et j'ai bon espoir que tous ceux qui ont recu une 1ère dose sont de bons candidats LOGIQUES pour une seconde......on devrait at the end of the

day avoisiner le 70%.....ce qui serait satisfaisant pour nous ramener ENFIN à une vie COMPLÈTEMENT normale.

 

[sene5hos]

Les autorités médicales américaines sonnent l'alarme....le DELTA VARIANT fait de plus en plus de ravage et les hospitalisations sont en croissance dans plusieurs états.....rien de rassurant....et ces mêmes autorités plaident évidemment en faveur de la vaccination..

D'ailleurs selon CDC 99.5% des personnes décédées du COVID depuis Janvier n'étaient PAS VACCINÉES......n'est-ce pas assez clair ???....puissant message non???? alors un effort...on fait ce que doit plz plz plz.

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This is so shameful. People's ignorance putting every hope we have of normality at risk.

That’s a feeling I seem to experience almost every day in today’s world.

And these anti-vaxxers are cheering that Biden didn't meet his goal. I despise every one of them.

 

[Stx]

To think that there is a way to end the pandemic but many people, out of selfishness and ignorance, refuse to do their part.

It really boggles the mind. The vaccine passport can't come soon enough.

 

[CLOUD 500]

^^^^^
They are already planning a fourth lockdown and now they are talking about the Lambda variant and about a possible third booster shot. Just to clue you in I got my first shot this Monday and will not take anymore shots beyond two. Will not get pricked with a 3rd shot. Whether we are vaccinated or not we still got to wear masks. It will never end till society refuses to accept an authoritarian regime. it boggles my mind that people do not value their freedom. The vaccine passport is another example of an authoritarian government and this is going too far.

 

[gallantca]

I got my first shot this Monday

What changed your mind ?

I am curious if the threat of restrictions will play a role. Seems to be the case in France.

Sounds like Ontario doesn't plan to follow. We will see if that works out better for them.

While I know it went against some of your fundamental beliefs, at least you are safer moving forward.