COVID's vaccine, by whom, when, effective? all around the vaccine

[wetnose]

As of midnight tonight, all Canadians need a molecular test (see link below for types) to enter the country from a land border, even for a short trip (72 hours).

Return or travel to Canada

Travelling to Canada, border wait times, customs and immigration.

travel.gc.ca

So if you get a booster shot in Vermont, you need to get tested in Vermont, wait for results then drive back.

 

[gaby]

Hum....pas de problème avec la dose un et deux .MAIS le booster recu hier m'a réservé une petite surprise fort désagréable TOUTE LA NUIT PASSÉE de 1h à 7h ce matin....un petit cauchemar...

Des vomissements/diarrhée et frissons toute la nuit...je n'ai pas fermé l'oeil.....j'ai contacté ce matin info santé 811 à 7h30...et on m'a bien confirmé que oui c'étaient des effets secondaires possibles.....et de bien voir à mon hydratation....m'a donné toutes les infos pour

régler mes problèmes....super gentille.....et déjà je file mieux ....mais my god je ne souhaite ca à personne....lol....si vous éprouvez de telles symptômes ou autres n'hésitez pas à les contacter...super service.

-note....probablement aussi que l'attente à l'extérieur dans le froid----ne suis plus un jeunôt----de plus de 90 min. n'a pas aidé. .....MAIS le bon côté c'est que c fait.....et j'en suis bien heureux....dur moment à passer mais incontournable pour moi.....lol

Si j'ai décidé de parler de mon cas c'est essentiellement pour indiquer qu'il y a des solutions à portée de main si nous traversons parfois des périodes inquiétantes.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Hum....pas de problème avec la dose un et deux .MAIS le booster recu hier m'a réservé une petite surprise fort désagréable TOUTE LA NUIT PASSÉE de 1h à 7h ce matin....un petit cauchemar...

Des vomissements/diarrhée et frissons toute la nuit...je n'ai pas fermé l'oeil.....j'ai contacté ce matin info santé 811 à 7h30...et on m'a bien confirmé que oui c'étaient des effets secondaires possibles.....et de bien voir à mon hydratation....m'a donné toutes les infos pour

Ouin... une nuit poche de même ca ma deja arrivé... souvent Une bonne brosse pis vomissement et diarrhée, avec un mal de tete en bonus... yup yup Les frissons je les ai deja eu aussi dans d'autre ocasion. Ces jamais le fun mais bon ces la vie... Fait toi s'y car tu les aura peut-etre pour ta 4ieme dose ou ta 5ieme

Moi c'est plus les effets secondaire severe comme paralysie de bell ou encore myocardite que j'ai peur. Ou encore effet secondaire a long termes inconnues...

 

[EagerBeaver]

Trump Booed For Discussing Getting Covid Booster Shot:

Trump met with boos after revealing he received Covid-19 booster

Former President Donald Trump was booed by a portion of an audience in Dallas on Sunday when he said he had received a Covid-19 booster shot, according to video of the closed press event that was shared on social media.

www.cnn.com

 

[EagerBeaver]

The don't die part is key. I have an attorney friend who caught Covid at a Christmas party around 10 days ago. He was supposed to get boostered last week, but got infected first. He is in bad shape. I have been texting him, he is reporting fever, chills, loss of taste and smell, extreme fatigue and "heavy congestion." He said the heavy congestion is "annoying." We both think his protection from his first shot waned before he could get the booster and now he is getting hammered. I hope he comes through. I am texting him every day to make sure he is OK. He is a divorced dude who lives alone. He is in his 50s

 

[wetnose]

Omicron is now the dominant strain in the US:

Omicron is now the dominant strain of coronavirus in the US, according to the CDC | CNN

The Omicron Covid-19 variant is now the most dominant strain in the US, accounting for over 73% of new coronavirus cases less than three weeks after the first was reported, according to estimates posted Monday by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

www.cnn.com

First recorded death from Omicron was an unvaccinated man who previously had COVID. Shaking my head... it still astounds me how people are disagreeing about something as simple as a vaccination. Sure we can disagree about whether pink is the best color, but come on.

Even Trump got vaccinated FFS.

 

[Fradi]

 

[wetnose]

The don't die part is key. I have an attorney friend who caught Covid at a Christmas party around 10 days ago. He was supposed to get boostered last week, but got infected first. He is in bad shape. I have been texting him, he is reporting fever, chills, loss of taste and smell, extreme fatigue and "heavy congestion." He said the heavy congestion is "annoying." We both think his protection from his first shot waned before he could get the booster and now he is getting hammered. I hope he comes through. I am texting him every day to make sure he is OK. He is a divorced dude who lives alone. He is in his 50s

Ugh, are you close by? Drop off a care package for him - frozen lasagna, Vit D3/K2, fresh vegetable juice. Ibuprofen/facial tissue if he ran out. Humidifier if his cough is really dry.

Also does he have an oximeter? If it dips below 95, he HAS to go to hospital.

 

[Francoquart]

First recorded death from Omicron was an unvaccinated man who previously had COVID. Shaking my head... it still astounds me how people are disagreeing about something as simple as a vaccination. Sure we can disagree about whether pink is the best color, but come on.

Even Trump got vaccinated FFS.

Judging by the looks of thinks, and the astounding success this Vaccine has accumulated since its mass inoculation, it makes sense to shake your head. I guess we, the Unvaccinated are just a bunch of self destructive obsessives fools looking for ways to hurt ourselves. We hate being safe, and need to go though the hardship this virus will give us. This tiny minority left of unvaccinated is the reason the Virus exists in the first place (paradox of time travel). Of course, all variants are also the result of the unvaccinated, why not, I mean, there is nothing easier than to say whatever.
Meanwhile, the Vaccine is doing its job, protecting the ones that took it, curbing the waves and flattening the Curve (the purpose of the passport). The media doing an amazing job showing all those that are against the Vaccine that died, proving the direct relationship. I mean no need to state how many unvaccinated did not die, just focus of the ones that did, and most importantly no talking about the vaccinated that died (just an apologetic mention that it does happen).
I mean, if some of us needs more time to make sure the Vaccine is safe, and does the job, well, we should be coerced, insulted, marginalized, pointed with the fingers.

Reality does not matter, just throw in some statistics, big words, if it does not work, just add another booster, and if critiqued, just shove us some new statistics, and more statistics, and keep going with statistics, while the lockdown is back, but hey the statistics. Freedom of choice?! Who needs that man, the stats shows that the COVID is a killer (not really sure it is at these days 3, 4 percent, maybe less?). This is reason enough to remove that freedom, SAFETY means VACCINE, then BOOSTER, then VACCCINE, then booster, and another lockdown.
Yep, one needs to shake his head....

 

[EagerBeaver]

Ugh, are you close by? Drop off a care package for him - frozen lasagna, Vit D3/K2, fresh vegetable juice. Ibuprofen/facial tissue if he ran out. Humidifier if his cough is really dry.

Also does he have an oximeter? If it dips below 95, he HAS to go to hospital.

I am around a 30 minute drive from where he lives. As a matter of interest, I texted him this morning and haven't heard anything back so far. From what he has told me, although he is divorced and lives alone, he has other family members checking in on him, specifically a sister who I believe is also around 30 minutes away from him.

We already did discuss the decongestant and humidifier regimen. I don't know if he implemented it or not.

He is a pretty smart guy. I am pretty sure if his breathing or oxygen levels get worse, he will not hesitate to get himself to the hospital.

 

[gallantca]

I guess we, the Unvaccinated are just a bunch of self destructive obsessives fools looking for ways to hurt ourselves. We hate being safe, and need to go though the hardship this virus will give us.

Finally. He gets it !!! I kid, I kid, you know we love you.

No but seriously, last 30 days, 789 hospitalizations, over 50% from the unvaccinated who represent less than 10% of the population.

What's your solution ? Just pay for them ? Not let them in to hospitals ? Just ignore it ? Pretend the numbers aren't real ?

 

[Francoquart]

What's your solution ? Just pay for them ? Not let them in to hospitals ? Just ignore it ? Pretend the numbers aren't real ?

You think I have an answer for that? All I know for a fact is that we were perfectly fine, until they started this vaccination campaign in school last week. All of sudden, my son, my ex, and myself have COVID.... The school sent us an email that 4 other kid have tested positive. I do not know what the solution is, but it is clear that whatever is being is not working. I know you love statistics, but they do not really move me. You can display whatever you want in stats, I look at actual results, and it is clear that we are back to pre Vaccine situation. The question poses itself, what did the Vaccine improve in the situation?
Pay for them? We pay taxes like anybody else, so yes pay with a smile. If you took a Vaccine that you believe is good, and I do not see that result, I am not to blame. The Unvaccinated are the group that had the least activity since the passport, so if anyone is to be blamed, it is the Vaccinated (but in all honesty I do not blame them). This government want to hide their wrong decisions by shifting the blame, and keep pushing the same decision that did not improve anything. Maybe we should start by pressuring them to start thinking a bit differently, instead of following the same road again.

 

[gallantca]

You think I have an answer for that? All I know for a fact is that we were perfectly fine, until they started this vaccination campaign in school last week. All of sudden, my son, my ex, and myself have COVID.... The school sent us an email that 4 other kid have tested positive. I do not know what the solution is, but it is clear that whatever is being is not working. I know you love statistics, but they do not really move me. You can display whatever you want in stats, I look at actual results, and it is clear that we are back to pre Vaccine situation. The question poses itself, what did the Vaccine improve in the situation?
Pay for them? We pay taxes like anybody else, so yes pay with a smile. If you took a Vaccine that you believe is good, and I do not see that result, I am not to blame. The Unvaccinated are the group that had the least activity since the passport, so if anyone is to be blamed, it is the Vaccinated (but in all honesty I do not blame them). This government want to hide their wrong decisions by shifting the blame, and keep pushing the same decision that did not improve anything. Maybe we should start by pressuring them to start thinking a bit differently, instead of following the same road again.

So let me start by saying I am deeply saddened by what hit you. I like to debate a little on the rough side but I do not wish that on anyone.

I don't love statistics but I believe we can find information to help find solutions. I posted something yesterday and the numbers show exactly what hit you. The number of infections in kids is ridiculous and they are obviously infecting the parents in the 30-39-40-49 age group.

My thought to myself is that the last place I would want to be is an unvaccinated parent of a young kid and bam you say that. When thousands of kids catch it, even if the parents are vaccinated a certain number get it and on and on.

They failed at protecting the kids. They will never admit this. I do sincerely believe this and the numbers show it. If we didn't have the vaccines levels we have now it would be a blood bath. The infection curve for the kids has been way ahead of everyone.

I find it very strange that Ontario cases are so much lower. More than 1000 less cases for double the population. I bet you part of the difference is in how the schools are handled.

The thing that scares the shit out of me is the kid/grand parent connection this Christmas.

Take care of yourself.

 

[cloudsurf]

Whoever predicted that boosters will become an ongoing event .....with a fourth and then a fifth and on and on..... may be on to something.
Israel is now giving those over 60 and 4 months out from their 3rd shot a fourth jab. And we all know that Europe and North America will follow soon.
Covid19 and all its variants is becoming like the seasonal flu, but more deadly. We`ll have to adapt and live with it, or die from it.

 

[Coeur91]

Ce n'est pas en tentant plusieurs fois la même expérience que l'on aura des résultats différents.
A bonne entendeur .

 

[CLOUD 500]

Whoever predicted that boosters will become an ongoing event .....with a fourth and then a fifth and on and on..... may be on to something.
Israel is now giving those over 60 and 4 months out from their 3rd shot a fourth jab. And we all know that Europe and North America will follow soon.
Covid19 and all its variants is becoming like the seasonal flu, but more deadly. We`ll have to adapt and live with it, or die from it.

This what I said months ago and ppl called me a conspiracy theorist. Well look the cases are surging in time for when the government began pushing for 3rd doses which is fishy to me. Watch and see they will be pushing for boosters every six months. Keeping the population scared is the oldest trick in the book to keep them under control. They got an agenda for sure. Going into lockdown in the winter only to reopen in the summer. This is my definition of insanity and peoples compliance to the government keeps this insanity going.

 

[wetnose]

Whoever predicted that boosters will become an ongoing event .....with a fourth and then a fifth and on and on..... may be on to something.
Israel is now giving those over 60 and 4 months out from their 3rd shot a fourth jab. And we all know that Europe and North America will follow soon.
Covid19 and all its variants is becoming like the seasonal flu, but more deadly. We`ll have to adapt and live with it, or die from it.

I was OK with the side effects of the Pfizer/AZ shot. If I have to take a shot every year to cover the variants then no biggie.

Now the yellow fever vaxx...that screwed me up for a week. Malaria pills - those suck too. Probably worse than getting malaria itself. I'd be bitching if I had to do that every year.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I am not sure I would be that pessimistic. We now have a three shot vaccine for HPV cancer. Granted that is different than the RNA technology. But RNA based techniques have been touted as a potential cure for many life threatening things, including some cancers. Covid forced the government to allow this RNA based vaccine to be allowed on the entire populace instead of a sample of .0000000000000001 percent of the population.

Messenger RNA Vaccines: Beckoning of a New Era in Cancer Immunotherapy | CancerNetwork

A review of mRNA vaccine technology by ONCOLOGY® editorial board member Mehmet Sitki Copur, MD, FACP, explains the basis for progress in this field and reviews a number of new trials using this technology.

www.cancernetwork.com

https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-blog/2021/june/how-mrna-vaccines-help-fight-cancer-tumors-too

Getting shots is no big deal as far as I am concerned. People get flu shots every year and Fido gets a rabies shot annually (although I think there may be a longer rabies shot available now). Like you, I don’t like the government telling me what I have to do, but I like it less when it tells me I can’t do what I want to do. The time it takes to get a drug or treatment to market is ridiculous, and the sample sizes fir experiments are way too small. It benefits the FDA to study something for 10-20 years in progressively larger studies. The FDA workers get paid the whole damn time.

No group has been more worthless throughout the process than the U.S. FDA. Even Fauci gave up on them. Maybe Covid will change things.

I am not pessimistic about the technology, I am about the government. I do not trust them and they got a hidden agenda for sure. As you said many times government should not be controlling the vaccines yet this is exactly what they are doing. Sure getting the shots is not a big deal but forcing it and using the media to advertise 24/7 repeating doomsday messages to remind that covid is out to get them to keep the public under constant fear is a big deal. And I agree for the FDA, another useless agency that creates a lot of red tape and delays and increases costs for drugs to be approved. Still Dapoxetine has not been approved by the FDA and it has been available for years yet in Europe.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

I was OK with the side effects of the Pfizer/AZ shot. If I have to take a shot every year to cover the variants then no biggie.

Now the yellow fever vaxx...that screwed me up for a week. Malaria pills - those suck too. Probably worse than getting malaria itself. I'd be bitching if I had to do that every year.

Yeah yellow fever vaxx is the worst I've ever had. So far I had to go through it twice in my life and its the only time I've been so aprehensive towatd getting a vaccine. Even if it is a lifetime protection, if you travel to places with high outbreaks and your initial shot is over 10 years old it is recommende to get another boost.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I was OK with the side effects of the Pfizer/AZ shot. If I have to take a shot every year to cover the variants then no biggie.

It's not going to be every year. You will need to booster up every 3-6 months to maintain protection. A buddy of mine has really bad Covid now because his protection waned between the first two Pfizer shots and the booster, which he didn't have before getting infected.

So this notion that a booster will be needed every year is a big lie that you and the rest of the public are believing because you want to believe it and the government wants you to believe it. The reality is your protection will slowly wane after 3 months and as it does, you will be increasingly exposed to more virulent Covid. Your best course of action during that time will be, don't get infected. Most people do not want to hear this but it's the ugly truth.

And just note that even the top experts don't really know how long the protection will last. They likely suspect it's a shorter period of time but the governments have told them STFU on this and has attempted to quell any panic. And you have all believed this stuff they are putting out.