Amber, I am with you 100%. But as intelligent and honest as you are, do not try to be the voice of all other providers here on an open internet forum, just for the sake of your own sanity!
Cheers,
Curiousity: Men of The Lounge, Why are you Here?
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Amber, I am with you 100%. But as intelligent and honest as you are, do not try to be the voice of all other providers here on an open internet forum, just for the sake of your own sanity!
Cheers,
I am aware that there is a difference between ice cream flavors and people's lives but we are talking about sexuality, and in my book my own sexuality is exactly the same as my taste in food. I know what I like to eat and what I know I am attracted to sexually, and I do not need to apologize for either. And for you to make these kinds of statements that somehow imply people expressing those feelings are "closed minded" to something and engaged in "ugly discussions" are just stating an opinion that isn't shared.
It's probably best that you do stay out of these discussions but you should not criticize people like me or Starry who are just expressing how we feel on the subject and are hardly alone in that regard. My own biology has told me what I like. A dick doesn't get hard on its own, it gets hard due to attraction or lack thereof which is organic in nature. And what is organic is different for everyone and it is not a matter of being "open minded". I did not choose to be a heterosexual man, I am and always have been. It's who I am.
Can you? I would like to see them express themselves there opinion on this, with honesty !
This is exactly why I frequent the lounge. I've just learned (from you) that SPs are predominately "liberal" in their attitudes, whereas perhaps a majority of clients are more "traditional/conservative". That could be a valuable insight. Thanks.
Can we stop ? Lol.
Gender is how a person identifies.
Sex is what's in their pants.
So, HM, gender is not defined at birth, but sex is. And Amber yes a transgender is still a real woman, but not a NATURAL one physically (surgery is not natural and natural means it comes like that at birth). But yes, definitely a REAL woman. Just saying because you were talking about wrong terms being used.
I guess I agree with both of you to a certain extent.
Anyways why the fuck are we talking about this lol
Gender is how a person identifies.
Sex is what's in their pants.
So, HM, gender is not defined at birth, but sex is. And Amber yes a transgender is still a real woman, but not a NATURAL one physically (surgery is not natural and natural means it comes like that at birth). But yes, definitely a REAL woman. Just saying because you were talking about wrong terms being used.
I guess I agree with both of you to a certain extent.
Anyways why the fuck are we talking about this lol
Yes this is very accurate, which ends up with butting heads.
HM the thing is, many providers won't speak publicly because of a variety of reasons, the main one being that the clients on here are still their demographic, so they don't want to burn any advertising bridges for themselves. However most of the frequent posters are not my clientèle at all, so I have nothing holding me back from speaking up. Trust me I'm sharing this discussion on a few other forums and we're talking about it so I'm not just spouting crap out of my mouth from nowhere.
Wow so I really feel like I have learned a lot in here!
It is so intriguing to me that many of you don't believe Amber when she says what she says. I can back up the fact that she is talking for many of us who don't post on the boards. I have been privy to many of those conversations. It seems odd that you are disputing the things she is saying with no proof, but asking her to provide proof (or, stranger, asking for proof from everyone Amber has ever talked to) for each thing she says.
The transmisogyny in this thread has been eye-opening to me, for example. For no real reason at all, you start discussing whether someones womanhood is legitimate based on your perception of her genitals, or presumptions about her prior genitals. Doesnt that seem kind of disrespectful of you? Especially in a thread where most of you seem to be trying to show me that yall are welcoming of the women you take visits with? Especially considering that, as Amber mentioned, these women are our friends, lovers, families? I'm pretty shocked and disappointed, really. Most of you in reviews say that if you arent attracted to a woman when you met her at the door, you won't take the meeting. Legitimate. Some of you also will post such opinions in the review boards so that other men will know you werent hyped. Usually that includes a description of specific things you found unattractive. How useful in that context, is speculation of a persons genitals now or ever? Why not just talk about what you know and leave people be?
I really want to take a moment to say how much respect I have for the women who have responded in this thread, and how much i appreciate your honesty. I also appreciate those few men who have had more to put forward than vague disbelief that we might not feel like we are supposed to treat the board like a place we are welcomed to with open arms.
Also, sexuality is just whomever tugs at your warm feelings. If you are attracted to women, you are probably gonna be attracted to some and not all, but very infrequently do most people actually have One Specific Type that they never deviate from. So the idea that a person can say "I'm attracted to women but not trans women" is like very silly because there is as much variety within trans women as women who arent, and there arent actually failsafe ways to draw a neat line between those categories, as much as you would like there to be. You could just deal with that, and continue to have sex with women you find attractive and not care so much. Like?
Also whats with the doublethink around "yeah, we totally want you guys to talk to us! But we are having all of these man conversations about man topics that you couldnt possibly relate to as women so i guess you just dont want to talk to us??" What are you actually trying to say, I'm confused? Like, I am glad for and appreciate those of you who have posted things you specifically would like women to weigh in on, but otherwise, how can you simultaneously claim to want to talk to us but not want to talk about anything you think we might be interested in?
It is so intriguing to me that many of you don't believe Amber when she says what she says. I can back up the fact that she is talking for many of us who don't post on the boards. I have been privy to many of those conversations. It seems odd that you are disputing the things she is saying with no proof, but asking her to provide proof (or, stranger, asking for proof from everyone Amber has ever talked to) for each thing she says.
The transmisogyny in this thread has been eye-opening to me, for example. For no real reason at all, you start discussing whether someones womanhood is legitimate based on your perception of her genitals, or presumptions about her prior genitals. Doesnt that seem kind of disrespectful of you? Especially in a thread where most of you seem to be trying to show me that yall are welcoming of the women you take visits with? Especially considering that, as Amber mentioned, these women are our friends, lovers, families? I'm pretty shocked and disappointed, really. Most of you in reviews say that if you arent attracted to a woman when you met her at the door, you won't take the meeting. Legitimate. Some of you also will post such opinions in the review boards so that other men will know you werent hyped. Usually that includes a description of specific things you found unattractive. How useful in that context, is speculation of a persons genitals now or ever? Why not just talk about what you know and leave people be?
I really want to take a moment to say how much respect I have for the women who have responded in this thread, and how much i appreciate your honesty. I also appreciate those few men who have had more to put forward than vague disbelief that we might not feel like we are supposed to treat the board like a place we are welcomed to with open arms.
Also, sexuality is just whomever tugs at your warm feelings. If you are attracted to women, you are probably gonna be attracted to some and not all, but very infrequently do most people actually have One Specific Type that they never deviate from. So the idea that a person can say "I'm attracted to women but not trans women" is like very silly because there is as much variety within trans women as women who arent, and there arent actually failsafe ways to draw a neat line between those categories, as much as you would like there to be. You could just deal with that, and continue to have sex with women you find attractive and not care so much. Like?
Also whats with the doublethink around "yeah, we totally want you guys to talk to us! But we are having all of these man conversations about man topics that you couldnt possibly relate to as women so i guess you just dont want to talk to us??" What are you actually trying to say, I'm confused? Like, I am glad for and appreciate those of you who have posted things you specifically would like women to weigh in on, but otherwise, how can you simultaneously claim to want to talk to us but not want to talk about anything you think we might be interested in?
This is not Oprah, the view or Dr.Phill. This is a board for men who want to have sex with women and discuss sports and life activities, perhaps have a laugh or two. Many are not politically correct myself included. HM's post was started just to ask if a transgender should reveal the fact while advertising, the men on the board who would pay for their services by a large margin voted yes, nothing was said if a man wanted to change to a female or reverse if it was right or wrong, that was not the topic.
Posted from SB above .. Also whats with the doublethink around "yeah, we totally want you guys to talk to us! But we are having all of these man conversations about man topics that you couldnt possibly relate to as women so i guess you just dont want to talk to us?? Serious? If a SP wants to join in by all means join in, you may have different views from us just as we would have different views talking about dying hair, skin products, fashion designs, managing a single family, and the dying hair is just an example as I know it sounds like a caveman answer, I do not watch women talk shows so I have no idea what you like to discuss, can you see me being a guest on the view or Oprah, it would be fucking hilarious and I would never be allowed on again...
This transgender thing got blown out of proportion, a vast majority ( 99% ) of the men do not care if someone goes for a sex change.
Posted from SB above .. Also whats with the doublethink around "yeah, we totally want you guys to talk to us! But we are having all of these man conversations about man topics that you couldnt possibly relate to as women so i guess you just dont want to talk to us?? Serious? If a SP wants to join in by all means join in, you may have different views from us just as we would have different views talking about dying hair, skin products, fashion designs, managing a single family, and the dying hair is just an example as I know it sounds like a caveman answer, I do not watch women talk shows so I have no idea what you like to discuss, can you see me being a guest on the view or Oprah, it would be fucking hilarious and I would never be allowed on again...
This transgender thing got blown out of proportion, a vast majority ( 99% ) of the men do not care if someone goes for a sex change.
I wonder if he will let the door hit him in his ass on his way out tomorrow?
Good F*****G riddance! :clap2:
Yea, what SHE said. :thumb:
... Because he's appreciating what I said? That's definitely very welcoming and open-minded of you
... Because he's appreciating what I said? That's definitely very welcoming and open-minded of you
I think he was talking about Obama leaving office tomorrow. Proves point that what some people read in their mind is not actually what was expressed.
I want to respond to something said earlier in the thread. I read that it is in bad taste (or something to this effect) to give an SP a number for their looks and services. It was also inferred that it is in bad taste to write graphic detail in a review.
Need I remind you all that this is a review board? One of the functions of the review board is that men (mostly) will write reviews about women service providers that provide these services for a fee. If I open the door and I see an SP on the other side that is not my demographic, I will feel free to nicely send her on her way with minor compensation for her troubles. If I feel that a girl doesn't like her job or is not worth her fee I also have the right to say so in a review. In addition to this I may assign numbers to that review. This is because I am paying a fee for a service and that is just the way it works.
By the way, I get rated every year by the people that I work for. Oh yes.... And they give me a fucking number. If my number is good...guess what? I get to keep my job for another year. If I am rated poorly (my number is low) I am at risk of being terminated. My clients also rate me. This rating, in general, is reflected in my annual review. I have worked for other companies and I have been in the military and it is the same way there. The same goes for the University accept that rating is a letter grade that is converted to a number and referred to as GPA.
I have paid as much as 500$/hour for an SP and you can bet your sweet ass that I expect value in return. I give to charities all the time but Montreal is not a charity. I know these girls have a a tough job. I cannot imagine having 4-5 appointments and being on for each one. I am a nice guy and I personally will make allowances and do my part to make sure the girl feels relaxed and safe etc. but at the end of the day I will not lose sight of the basic fact that the girl is there to provide a service that I have paid for with that hard earned money I have earned.
The day that the girls start paying me 300$/hour a session then I think it is fair for the SP to rate me. By all means you can have your secret SP blacklists board. Feel free to go there and black list me and my fellow hobbyists for being time wasters, last-minute cancellation artists, thieves who refuse to pay, and worse but don't tell em I do not have a right...because I have the right....No I have an obligation to rate you. And I will!
I am done with this thread.
H101
Need I remind you all that this is a review board? One of the functions of the review board is that men (mostly) will write reviews about women service providers that provide these services for a fee. If I open the door and I see an SP on the other side that is not my demographic, I will feel free to nicely send her on her way with minor compensation for her troubles. If I feel that a girl doesn't like her job or is not worth her fee I also have the right to say so in a review. In addition to this I may assign numbers to that review. This is because I am paying a fee for a service and that is just the way it works.
By the way, I get rated every year by the people that I work for. Oh yes.... And they give me a fucking number. If my number is good...guess what? I get to keep my job for another year. If I am rated poorly (my number is low) I am at risk of being terminated. My clients also rate me. This rating, in general, is reflected in my annual review. I have worked for other companies and I have been in the military and it is the same way there. The same goes for the University accept that rating is a letter grade that is converted to a number and referred to as GPA.
I have paid as much as 500$/hour for an SP and you can bet your sweet ass that I expect value in return. I give to charities all the time but Montreal is not a charity. I know these girls have a a tough job. I cannot imagine having 4-5 appointments and being on for each one. I am a nice guy and I personally will make allowances and do my part to make sure the girl feels relaxed and safe etc. but at the end of the day I will not lose sight of the basic fact that the girl is there to provide a service that I have paid for with that hard earned money I have earned.
The day that the girls start paying me 300$/hour a session then I think it is fair for the SP to rate me. By all means you can have your secret SP blacklists board. Feel free to go there and black list me and my fellow hobbyists for being time wasters, last-minute cancellation artists, thieves who refuse to pay, and worse but don't tell em I do not have a right...because I have the right....No I have an obligation to rate you. And I will!
I am done with this thread.
H101
Yeah exactly....the site itself is called MERB (ie. Montreal Escort REVIEW BOARD). I enjoy socializing with both the clients and SPs in the forums about various topics, etc. But make no mistake: I'm here for the reviews and the ads of the various SPs available first and and foremost. For someone to infer that we shouldn't be rating and/or reviewing services incurred is ludicrous.
I would also like to point out that Maria was specifically talking about giving us scores out of ten, and being unnecessarily graphic. Not quite intellectually honest to imply we are asking you to not review us or give us ratings at all.
The unnecessarily graphic details I can understand. Just recently there was a posting on a well known SP's review thread that went a little too far. But the OP had the good sense to delete it, after some careful thought.
The "out of ten" thing though I don't understand. What's so bad about having a numeric rating system for reviews? It's done all the time for services rendered (ie. Uber, etc).
That may not be the case. Again, no generalization is possible. Liberal toward sex is one thing, towards social issues an other one.
If you had never met a sex worker before but were informed about their business, it would be reasonable to predict that they would be leaning more on the conservative side like many small entrepreneurs, which is what they are basically. Money and working conditions permits them to be more individualistic. I'm quite sure, Amber, that in the collective Indy Companions, some fit this profile. If I had to predict political affiliations, I'd say the CAQ would be the winner.
Stella has obviously always been a left leaning organisation, which is normal, just like the organizers of IC. That is totally fine and unsurprising. They do a great job benefiting all sex workers. But I would not consider it as a mirror of general political affiliations.
I... Don't think that word means what you think it means
Also I don't think there was much argument on the fact that reviews are useful, but a rating scale? That is useless for the most part since everything is subjective.
And come talk to me when your company starts rating your body and looks on a scale of 1-10 okiedokie?
I wouldn't argue much with a rating scale for overall experience, but for looks? C'mon..
And gugu, I'm not talking only of the Indycompanion providers, though I would say statistically speaking a majority are not conservative at all..I'm also talking about the many, many other providers from all over the world who are having the same discussions about this stuff, who seem to mainly all be in agreement as well.
As for being in the lounge ( origional question ), TV sucks, too cold to be outside, some interesting topics, bored. I am either in a work camp in some remote area or in Drummondville where I just do not get the French language, so I have a few bowls, perhaps a rum or six and converse on MERB.
I agree that the numbers are subjective (ie. everyone has their own tastes, and their own scale, etc), but its useful when comparing multiple reviews from the same reviewer.
Me personally when I'm reviewing, I have my own set of rules that I adhere to when giving out a score, and it helps me in figuring out how much (and what, why, etc) I enjoyed about a certain session and how it also compares to my previous sessions in the past with other SPs.
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