Disturbing Tendencies at Agencies

[Rebaynia]

I get how it can hurt a MOC to see an advertisement of a woman they find attractive and want to see, have a special tag pointing out they don't cater to your demographic.

Yes it is a racist thing to have it there at all.. but embrace the fact that this provider outwardly admits they are racist then, and save yourself the pain of that tag, and count yourself lucky this racist person is publicly outting themselves as racist, and take it as her 'face out' unattractive trait.

You are being picky about who you want to see when you are surfing profiles. These photos are often hidden identity. Well you might not get to see her face, go ahead and assume she looks like a troll because that is what your seeing with the NO YOU message tag. Doesn't matter how attractive her exterior is, obviously the interior is not what you want to be spending your hard earned finances on.

They have made their choices, it is up to clients then to take it as they want to. People who are anti racism, can avoid them as well just because they see the NO ××× as a sign they don't want to see them either. They are attracting the clientele they want, and turning away clientele they don't want. This is also where people who don't support racism also have the choice to bypass the provider as well.

Just as it is your choice as a MOC client to boycot an agency if you so choose because of their decision to allow this blatent anti-you message as well. They are catering to the demographic they want to cater to.

 

[themonk83]

I assumed it was based on the colors black and white (black peoples skin isn't actually black), black being dark and white being light, but now that you mention it maybe it has a history rooted in racism so I'll do some research. Thank you for bringing that up!

It dates back from the 1600s or maybe earlier if I remember right but it wasn't rooted in racism. The problem arises when we started associating a certain group with a color and came with it, the negative connotations associated with said color (white is good. Black is bad)

People have started using banned list and allow list nowadays but blacklist and whitelist are still used

 

[Flabert]

After reading all these arguments (again as this threads appears and disappears over and over)

I still think the best approach is for people to have sex with who they choose

And for people to combat racial biases by living a good, respectful life. Be as tolerant as you can of other cultures and be as good an ambassador of your culture (or race, etc.) as you can so even racists like you and you slowly change their mind

 

[Carl.is.Jung]

Okay, how about minding your own business and letting the lady and I come to our own conclusions.

I would simply draw your attention to the content of my replies and not just the quantity.

Also, I'm stating facts, nothing inflammatory. Can you say the same for others?

 

[Fradi]

I assumed it was based on the colors black and white (black peoples skin isn't actually black), black being dark and white being light, but now that you mention it maybe it has a history rooted in racism so I'll do some research. Thank you for bringing that up!

It reminds me of the term "grandfathered" that has a racist history (which is why I simply tell my regulars that they get to keep my old rates when I increase them. I never use the term "grandfathered".)

I think it is very unfortunate that it has come to the point where we have to analyze and research every word we use to make sure we are not pissing off one group of people or another.
So much for social media and the internet, to me it was much better when you simply liked or disliked a person for how they acted and behaved towards you instead of trying to find fault and something behind every word they use.

Most people would never know or even think about grandfathered or blacklisted as being racist and just take it for what it was meant to be used for in the given context.

Perhaps I am too simplistic and believe in treating everybody they way you would want them to treat you and hate all this modern day over kill with analyzing every word and walking on eggshells eveytime you say or write anything or smile and look at a woman because she is gorgeous.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

*unwatch thread*

 

[Rebaynia]

I assumed it was based on the colors black and white (black peoples skin isn't actually black), black being dark and white being light, but now that you mention it maybe it has a history rooted in racism so I'll do some research. Thank you for bringing that up!

It reminds me of the term "grandfathered" that has a racist history (which is why I simply tell my regulars that they get to keep my old rates when I increase them. I never use the term "grandfathered".)

Now I'm going to have to go research the term grandfathered? Damn I have only just recently heard the term refered to last week for the first time. (Now thinking about how much worse researching used to be before the internet was available to the greater public.)

Before I go check it out, I would have only thought it more ageist than racist.

Edit: I shouldn't have smoked a hit of mary-jane before trying to read that legalese. I am far more educated than I was prepared for.

Well seems I am discouraged from using the term before I even had a chance to in ignorance.

 

[themonk83]

Most people would never know or even think about grandfathered or blacklisted as being racist and just take it for what it was meant to be used for in the given context.

Once again, blacklist wasn't rooted in racism. Grandfathered (as in clause) was rooted from segregation law, hella racist.

Anyway, not a term we use much these days. Acquired or legacy rights is the term now which based on the French version of droits acquis make much more sense

 

[EagerBeaver]

Once again, blacklist wasn't rooted in racism. Grandfathered (as in clause) was rooted from segregation law, hella racist.

I have never heard this before. The term in English is used much more broadly than this, and doesn't refer to segregation per se but ANY prior course of rules or conduct under which a party is grandfathered in:

grandfathered in

www.law.cornell.edu

"Grandfathered in refers to conduct that receives the benefit of a grandfather clause, allowing this conduct to receive the treatment of prior laws or rules"
It has application to far more than old segregation laws and is used regularly in the legal profession in a much broader sense. I have typically heard it used most in real estate law and zoning law. The term only has a racist meaning to those who are hunting such a meaning or application.

 

[Fradi]

I would simply draw your attention to the content of my replies and not just the quantity.

Also, I'm stating facts, nothing inflammatory. Can you say the same for others?

No.
It has nothing to do with your replies or the quantity,
You took it upon yourself to tell me and Porcha to handle this in private and not to communicate it in this thread.

You had no business doing that. You can comment on what I said disagree with it whatever but telling me what, where, and who to communicate with especially when it is not disrespectful in anyway is not one of them.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Yes, you should stop seeing anyone that you aren’t comfortable seeing, for any reason that you see fit

The point is all men can behave in those ways.

 

[Carl.is.Jung]

No.
It has nothing to do with your replies or the quantity,
You took it upon yourself to tell me and Porcha to handle this in private and not to communicate it in this thread.

You had no business doing that. You can comment on what I said disagree with it whatever but telling me what, where, and who to communicate with especially when it is not disrespectful in anyway is not one of them.

No Fradi,
It's a public forum.
You're bringing way too emotion into what should be a rational discussion.
We can agree to disagree.

 

[Carl.is.Jung]

The point is all men can behave in those ways.

Fair point - anyone at anytime can be unpredictable especially when you don't know someone.

 

[cpp433]

The point is all men can behave in those ways.

You misunderstand, nobody has to behave in ANY way, you may choose not to see whomever you see fit for any reason no matter how minute, and that is ok

 

[cpp433]

I would like to take this time to apologize to the community and make an admission. After some deep inner-reflection i have come to the realization that i am a gay bashing homophobe. Allow me to explain.
I believe that males that have sex with eachother arent really any different than us straight people. I believe people have the right to bang whoever they want, love whoever they want, and yes even legally marry whoever they want. I have never treated the homosexuals that i have personally known any differently, actually i dont even think of their sexuality at all when interacting with them.

However with that being said there has always been this one evil underlying caveat-
I will not let them stick their dick in me
Therefore im a homophobe
Were i to become a male prostitute i would absolutely list on my page that i do not entertain male clients- therefore the case is closed, it is obvious that i hate gays and am a homophobic piece of shit.

Thanks for your understanding.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I would like to take this time to apologize to the community and make an admission. After some deep inner-reflection i have come to the realization that i am a gay bashing homophobe. Allow me to explain.
I believe that males that have sex with eachother arent really any different than is straight people. I believe people have the right to bang whoever they want, love whoever they want, and yes even legally marry whoever they want. I have never treated the homosexuals that i have personally known any differently, actually i dont even think of their sexuality at all when interacting with them.

However with that being said there has always been this one evil underlying caveat-
I will not let them stick their dick in me
Therefore im a homophobe
Were i to become a male prostitute i would absolutely list on my page that i do not entertain male clients- therefore the case is closed, it is obvious that i hate gays and am a homophobic piece of shit.

This is really not a good comparison LOL also you are not a male prostitute, so why are you speaking at our place?

Sex work is customer service. Not seeing people of a certain race is discriminatory, point. Many people here love comparing us to restaurants. What would you think if a restaurant refused ppl who aren't white? Do you think that is okay?

Refusing to see clients is completely fine. I refuse people often because they are rude and boundary pushing, ask for things I don't offer, and generally behave in ways that I dislike. Would I refuse someone bc of something like race? No, because I am not racist lol. Also sexual orientation is not comparable to being racist.... WTF??? If a SP is not gay or bi she totally has the right to refuse a female client because that is just her sexual orientation. This comparison makes no sense...

I'm done with this thread.

 

[cpp433]

Serving people food, and having sexual intercourse with them are so not even remotely comparable that you simply cannot be serious and are just trolling.

Yes the situation i laid out is exactly the same, of you refuse a marginalized community you are hateful of that group by the definition of many on this thread.

 

[Toto beefcake]

This is the most retarted thread ive ever read lol

 

[Jordd]

I also laugh when I see no Indian men because they smell funny. In my 5+ years of sex work, the men arguing about the shower and trying to avoid it were all white and embarrassingly older.

How are you 55 and still trying to avoid getting in the shower like a freaking k*d?

Embarrassingly older? Is 55 old for you?
Some may be racist, but you are ageist.

 

[Jordd]

Totally agree with this. Many black and other minority women I have seen told me they racially restrict due to privacy reasons and not wanting to be seen/identified by those in their own communities. Broad brushing it all as racism is flat stupid.

It’s obviously RACISM.
Excluding someone on the basis of their race IS the definition of racism.