Disturbing Tendencies at Agencies

[Fradi]

I assumed it was based on the colors black and white (black peoples skin isn't actually black), black being dark and white being light, but now that you mention it maybe it has a history rooted in racism so I'll do some research. Thank you for bringing that up!

It reminds me of the term "grandfathered" that has a racist history (which is why I simply tell my regulars that they get to keep my old rates when I increase them. I never use the term "grandfathered".)

I think it is very unfortunate that it has come to the point where we have to analyze and research every word we use to make sure we are not pissing off one group of people or another.
So much for social media and the internet, to me it was much better when you simply liked or disliked a person for how they acted and behaved towards you instead of trying to find fault and something behind every word they use.

Most people would never know or even think about grandfathered or blacklisted as being racist and just take it for what it was meant to be used for in the given context.

Perhaps I am too simplistic and believe in treating everybody they way you would want them to treat you and hate all this modern day over kill with analyzing every word and walking on eggshells eveytime you say or write anything or smile and look at a woman because she is gorgeous.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

*unwatch thread*

 

[Rebaynia]

I assumed it was based on the colors black and white (black peoples skin isn't actually black), black being dark and white being light, but now that you mention it maybe it has a history rooted in racism so I'll do some research. Thank you for bringing that up!

It reminds me of the term "grandfathered" that has a racist history (which is why I simply tell my regulars that they get to keep my old rates when I increase them. I never use the term "grandfathered".)

Now I'm going to have to go research the term grandfathered? Damn I have only just recently heard the term refered to last week for the first time. (Now thinking about how much worse researching used to be before the internet was available to the greater public.)

Before I go check it out, I would have only thought it more ageist than racist.

Edit: I shouldn't have smoked a hit of mary-jane before trying to read that legalese. I am far more educated than I was prepared for.

Well seems I am discouraged from using the term before I even had a chance to in ignorance.

 

[themonk83]

Most people would never know or even think about grandfathered or blacklisted as being racist and just take it for what it was meant to be used for in the given context.

Once again, blacklist wasn't rooted in racism. Grandfathered (as in clause) was rooted from segregation law, hella racist.

Anyway, not a term we use much these days. Acquired or legacy rights is the term now which based on the French version of droits acquis make much more sense

 

[EagerBeaver]

Once again, blacklist wasn't rooted in racism. Grandfathered (as in clause) was rooted from segregation law, hella racist.

I have never heard this before. The term in English is used much more broadly than this, and doesn't refer to segregation per se but ANY prior course of rules or conduct under which a party is grandfathered in:

grandfathered in

www.law.cornell.edu

"Grandfathered in refers to conduct that receives the benefit of a grandfather clause, allowing this conduct to receive the treatment of prior laws or rules"
It has application to far more than old segregation laws and is used regularly in the legal profession in a much broader sense. I have typically heard it used most in real estate law and zoning law. The term only has a racist meaning to those who are hunting such a meaning or application.

 

[Fradi]

I would simply draw your attention to the content of my replies and not just the quantity.

Also, I'm stating facts, nothing inflammatory. Can you say the same for others?

No.
It has nothing to do with your replies or the quantity,
You took it upon yourself to tell me and Porcha to handle this in private and not to communicate it in this thread.

You had no business doing that. You can comment on what I said disagree with it whatever but telling me what, where, and who to communicate with especially when it is not disrespectful in anyway is not one of them.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Yes, you should stop seeing anyone that you aren’t comfortable seeing, for any reason that you see fit

The point is all men can behave in those ways.

 

[Carl.is.Jung]

No.
It has nothing to do with your replies or the quantity,
You took it upon yourself to tell me and Porcha to handle this in private and not to communicate it in this thread.

You had no business doing that. You can comment on what I said disagree with it whatever but telling me what, where, and who to communicate with especially when it is not disrespectful in anyway is not one of them.

No Fradi,
It's a public forum.
You're bringing way too emotion into what should be a rational discussion.
We can agree to disagree.

 

[Carl.is.Jung]

The point is all men can behave in those ways.

Fair point - anyone at anytime can be unpredictable especially when you don't know someone.

 

[cpp433]

The point is all men can behave in those ways.

You misunderstand, nobody has to behave in ANY way, you may choose not to see whomever you see fit for any reason no matter how minute, and that is ok

 

[cpp433]

I would like to take this time to apologize to the community and make an admission. After some deep inner-reflection i have come to the realization that i am a gay bashing homophobe. Allow me to explain.
I believe that males that have sex with eachother arent really any different than us straight people. I believe people have the right to bang whoever they want, love whoever they want, and yes even legally marry whoever they want. I have never treated the homosexuals that i have personally known any differently, actually i dont even think of their sexuality at all when interacting with them.

However with that being said there has always been this one evil underlying caveat-
I will not let them stick their dick in me
Therefore im a homophobe
Were i to become a male prostitute i would absolutely list on my page that i do not entertain male clients- therefore the case is closed, it is obvious that i hate gays and am a homophobic piece of shit.

Thanks for your understanding.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I would like to take this time to apologize to the community and make an admission. After some deep inner-reflection i have come to the realization that i am a gay bashing homophobe. Allow me to explain.
I believe that males that have sex with eachother arent really any different than is straight people. I believe people have the right to bang whoever they want, love whoever they want, and yes even legally marry whoever they want. I have never treated the homosexuals that i have personally known any differently, actually i dont even think of their sexuality at all when interacting with them.

However with that being said there has always been this one evil underlying caveat-
I will not let them stick their dick in me
Therefore im a homophobe
Were i to become a male prostitute i would absolutely list on my page that i do not entertain male clients- therefore the case is closed, it is obvious that i hate gays and am a homophobic piece of shit.

This is really not a good comparison LOL also you are not a male prostitute, so why are you speaking at our place?

Sex work is customer service. Not seeing people of a certain race is discriminatory, point. Many people here love comparing us to restaurants. What would you think if a restaurant refused ppl who aren't white? Do you think that is okay?

Refusing to see clients is completely fine. I refuse people often because they are rude and boundary pushing, ask for things I don't offer, and generally behave in ways that I dislike. Would I refuse someone bc of something like race? No, because I am not racist lol. Also sexual orientation is not comparable to being racist.... WTF??? If a SP is not gay or bi she totally has the right to refuse a female client because that is just her sexual orientation. This comparison makes no sense...

I'm done with this thread.

 

[cpp433]

Serving people food, and having sexual intercourse with them are so not even remotely comparable that you simply cannot be serious and are just trolling.

Yes the situation i laid out is exactly the same, of you refuse a marginalized community you are hateful of that group by the definition of many on this thread.

 

[Toto beefcake]

This is the most retarted thread ive ever read lol

 

[Jordd]

I also laugh when I see no Indian men because they smell funny. In my 5+ years of sex work, the men arguing about the shower and trying to avoid it were all white and embarrassingly older.

How are you 55 and still trying to avoid getting in the shower like a freaking k*d?

Embarrassingly older? Is 55 old for you?
Some may be racist, but you are ageist.

 

[Jordd]

Totally agree with this. Many black and other minority women I have seen told me they racially restrict due to privacy reasons and not wanting to be seen/identified by those in their own communities. Broad brushing it all as racism is flat stupid.

It’s obviously RACISM.
Excluding someone on the basis of their race IS the definition of racism.

 

[Toto beefcake]

You misunderstand, nobody has to behave in ANY way, you may choose not to see whomever you see fit for any reason no matter how minute, and that is ok

Such a rational statement. Yet it got turned to your a racist lol. Wtf . The sps commenting saying its racist should be happy. More work will come their way. And the people complaining, theres other choices . Very simple enjoy

 

[Toto beefcake]

It’s obviously RACISM.
Excluding someone on the basis of their race IS the definition of racism.

Really? I dont like fking asian women or blacks and muslims . Thats racist?

 

[PSEfreak]

This topic is a perfect reflection of this new trend in todays society.

Your trying to tell people they can't have preferences?
Your trying to tell people they have to do things they are uncomfortable with?

Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE exercises their particular preferences on a whole host of things on a daily basis.
A quick peruse through tinder and I will be automatically be excluded by 80% of the woman on that app for things out of my control. My height being just 1

What if these SP's had a negative experience with a person of a culture or race? An experience that marked them, what are you supposed to say - "too bad, deal with it or your racist?"

Just a few days ago I posted an experience here in another thread on Merb that I had with an SP who literally ran out of the room because I reminded her of someone that she felt threatened her.
https://merb.cc/xenforo/threads/have-you-ever-been-refused-by-a-sp.235346/page-3 ( post#54 )
She had every right to say no and leave.

I'm neither black, nor Indian, but white as can be. That lady and every person has the right to not service anyone they wish. Just like I have the right to refuse service to anyone I don't like at my business.
I've also had terrible experiences with a certain race of providers, I prefer to avoid them now.

 

[Carl.is.Jung]

Let me just say as a final thought on this thread.

I don't see Black or Indian or Asian women. But my oldest and closest friend is black.

Racism or personal sexual preference?

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