Disturbing Tendencies at Agencies

[Halloween Mike]

9 pages in 2 days lol. I can't spend the time to read all of this but just wanted to add that its a conversation we had many times on merb and the answers are always the same.

There is a group who says "her body her choice" and have no issue, another group who call "rrrrraaaacism" (i litterally used Nerdrotic voice saying it live lol) and then you got the middle peoples who have no opinions.

As for me? As long as something is disclose up front i have no issue with it. If they say no black men, then you know what to expect and just don't call them if you are a black men. I think its way worst to be refused at the door. If an escort had on her profile "no fat man" i would surely avoid contacting her. It may not be the same exact thing but i do love when escorts are open about the type of services they provid because im not gonna waste my time (and hers) contacting someone if she clearly list "all services protected" or "no kissing as i know it mean non-GFE and CBJ.

So if you told right away that your ethnicity is not welcome for WHATEVER reason, move on and see someone else.

Last year or 2 years ago can't remember i noticed a provider i saw way way back (2010) was back at working, but she was only working in the west. I contacted her and ask if we could see each other in Montreal as i knew she was from the province and i told her i saw her back in the day. She said she don't meet in Quebec. That sucks... but it is what it is... I replied "ok i understand" and thats it. There is nothing i can do (well i could had fly to calgary but thats too much money to spend on 1 meeting lol).

In my case i only saw 1 black woman in my 15 years in the hobby (not counting mixed or latinas etc)... Thats not because i don't like black women. Its because i can only meet a certain number of providers in a year and there may had been other providers higher on my list or and in some cases the hourly rate play a part too. I mean i really like Elly at Xo and she is 280h, so she is someone i tend to repeat as long as i can as i know ill be very happy. That leaves less spots open for other providers. There is some white providers i had on my "list" for years but i wasn't able to meet either yet. So if an escort know she can make her $ anyway seeing only a certain clientel, then whatever its her choice.

 

[hob12]

In the end I think it's better like that because it avoids people wasting their time.

It might be racism, it might not be. That's a debate without end.

But what can you do about it? Force that SP to have sex with people shoe does not want to?

 

[LC18]

THIS.
I don't think I know any escort who refuses clients because they aren't attracted to them. LOL they would have no business.

• I really doubt people are attracted by every single client they meet. So the preference argument is very funny to me.

If they want to insist on using the term “preference” then I’ll insist that their preference is to be racist.

• A good portion of people fail to realize that preferring to not see people of colour as a SP can be racist depending on the circumstances and preferring to not see SPs of colour, while based on racism, makes more sense.

Clients meet SPs they are attracted to but SPs don’t always meet clients they are attracted to.

• The arguments I have seen in this thread are valid when it comes to “preferring to see men that aren’t hairy” “preferring to see men with an average to small dick” “preferring to see men that are hygienic and freshly showered” “preferring to see men that respect women” however to say that those rules only apply to an ethnic group is *sigh* racist I’m afraid.

 

[Halloween Mike]

getting in that car with you bc it's getting exhausting arguing with ppl with boomer mentalities (yes this was pejorative lol)

Replying to this specifically in a different response because this speak to me. I know "boomers" these days often relate to anyone who is not a "young activist" out of college. I mean 40 years old being called boomers for instance (when boomers are actually more in the 65-75 years old group or something like that) and its used as a derogatory term.


But you would be surprise how much peoples still have more "conservative views", especially in the USA. I know we are in Canada but lets just say a lot of peoples don't see us as the "happy rainbows lets hop together hands in hands" as you may think. Sean Strickland interviews for instance comes to mind. But even in Canada, look at the current polls and how peoples are fed up with Trudeau and how Poilievre victory is almost a sure thing in the next elections.

In video games there is 2 terms used mainly. DEI (Diversity Equity Inclusion) and "for modern audiences" and lately those games are crashing and burning. There is a consultant film call Sweet Baby Inc at the center of many controverse as of now and some peoples downright boycott any games they were a part of. The CEO of that group was also the head writer of a game call Unknown 9 Awakening and this game is currently a massive flop. Brand new release and only 250 peoples or so at peak on Steam.

Basically where im going at is that "modern views" are taking so much space these days that a big portion of the population is fed up with them and are rising up. And we are seeing a lot more peoples who normally would had been just more conservative in nature but didn't care for basic stuff now rise up and take a stance. They are tired of being forcefully fed up values they don't agree with.

Ill give you an exemple. I saw a video today where a cab driver called a customer "mam". And this was a women clearly looking like a woman. She started to throw a tantrum at him and on how "can he knew how she identified as" and other stuff like that. Even going as far as telling him "would you apreciate i call you mister" and the dude then reply "well normally peoples say Sir, but mister is fine" and she was almost confuse. Its like society has push the thing TOO FAR now.

I don't care if among friends somebody want to be call "sir, mam, doctor, master or whatever", like if your friends are ok with it then fine. But if im a clerk and i say "hello sir, can i help you" and then i get thrown a tantrum because that person "identify as whatever they call it" , thats pushing too far for me. Thats when i rise up and i say enough is enough...

Anyway. I know views are different from peoples to peoples and funny enough for some peoples im not conservative enough, and for others i am too conservative. lol. But the reality is this "activism" wich been pushed in campus in the latest years (i would say since maybe 2017-2018) is clearly not a true reflection of society and it is very echo chamber related in many cases.

 

[Jordd]

Really? I dont like fking asian women or blacks and muslims . Thats racist?

Racist AND prejudiced.

 

[LC18]

1 question and then I’ll go

Why are you not attracted by [insert the race/ethnicity]?

 

[Jordd]

Let me just say as a final thought on this thread.

I don't see Black or Indian or Asian women. But my oldest and closest friend is black.

Racism or personal sexual preference?

Audi5000

Both. Having a black friend doesn’t excuse your racist behaviour with regards to excluding the those races.

 

[Carl.is.Jung]

Both. Having a black friend doesn’t excuse your racist behaviour with regards to excluding the those races.

What kind of racist would have a best black friend? If he were truly racist, what's the probability of that actually occuring?
I'm sincerely curious...

 

[Jordd]

But you're not apparently understanding the application of the definition. There is no discrimination or prejudice based on race when persons are excluded solely based on privacy or discretion factors. You cited a definition. The important part is applying it to the facts at hand.

Aren’t you a lawyer? Excluding an entire race is racism. It doesn’t matter what the motivations for it are. It doesn’t mean they don’t like that race. Hell, they could even be from that race. They just don’t want them to show up at their door.

 

[Fradi]

1 question and then I’ll go

Why are you not attracted by [insert the race/ethnicity]?

What I am not attracted to is overweight, obese women, and spinners, race /ethnicity plays no part in it.

I am attracted by all races and ethnic backgrounds and have seen ladies from many..
My preference is someone with dark long hair, average to tall, nice hourglass figure with curves in the right places, a pretty face and a gorgeous behind helps. Skin colour does not matter however I love a golden tan Brazilian look. Above all her personality and kindness is as Important as her looks

After reading it I just described my ATF it is no wonder I have been seeing her for so many years.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Nice way to ruin everything, I am a boomer! Shaming will always be shameful!

A lot of boomers are cool! I'm just being a brat hehe

 

[themonk83]

Both. Having a black friend doesn’t excuse your racist behaviour with regards to excluding the those races.

This!
There's a term for it, tokenism. Just because you have a BIPOC friend (or bff) does not mean you can't have racial prejudice

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Could your ref: to boomers be construed as discriminatory or is that privilege only reserved for 'others'?

Can't you take a joke lol also discriminating against old privileged white men isn't a thing. I don't actually discriminate against age. Some of my favorite clients are in their 60s and I love my mom!

 

[Lunaseraphim]

My other question is : how can you decide that you're not attracted to anyone of a certain race? Do you even meet person of that race/ethnicity on a regular basis? Thinking everyone of a certain race looks the same is also racist lol

 

[Halloween Mike]

Aren’t you a lawyer? Excluding an entire race is racism. It doesn’t matter what the motivations for it are. It doesn’t mean they don’t like that race. Hell, they could even be from that race. They just don’t want them to show up at their door.

Racism has lost its meaning in recent years. The true definition of racism is to discriminate base on race. For exemple refusing to service someone in a store because of their race, or not allowing certain peoples in places because of their races. Its not about who you are friend with or who you have sex with. Never was.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Racism has lost its meaning in recent years. The true definition of racism is to discriminate base on race. For exemple refusing to service someone in a store because of their race, or not allowing certain peoples in places because of their races. Its not about who you are friend with or who you have sex with. Never was.

Are you white? Cause if you are it isn't up to you to decide what racism is

 

[Julia Sky]

For exemple refusing to service someone in a store because of their race...

Are you under the impression that escorts are dating/attracted to you when they fuck you? What is it that you think we're doing here if not a service?

I'll say it again because too many of you seem to lose the plot : nobody is implying that people should have sex with anyone. People are allowed to refuse clients, even for racist reasons. That was never the debate.

 

[Fradi]

Are you under the impression that escorts are dating/attracted to you when they fuck you? What is it that you think we're doing here if not a service?

Now you have shattered my dreams and ego beyond repair.
That and being a boomer on top of it all.

 

[Jordd]

I’m used to be attracted to mixed race cause they seem to be more open and understanding of race relations
Likely cause they grow up in mixed race environment.
But then being with them and listening to how they talk about certain races due to unreasonable prejudices tells me can just as racist
Though some have trauma and relate it to a specific race and I can understand that
Then I realized a mixed can be as racist as a pure breed person, it’s the internal makeup of the person that more important to me
What attracts me is person who unselfish, open and non racist And that could a person of any pure or mixed race.

I don’t know if English is your first language, because you best be careful. Terms like "pure bread" or "mixed race" recall eugenics.
We are all mixed. How far back do you want to go in our family trees?

 

[Jordd]

What kind of racist would have a best black friend? If he were truly racist, what's the probability of that actually occuring?
I'm sincerely curious...

Reread my comment and the definition of racism.