Election 2012: Will History repeat itself? Union National splits vote, PQ wins power.

[sapman99]

The facts, and then

You also neglected to mention that anyone coming to Quebec from the rest of Canada also loses their choice to educate their children in English.

So an American businessman coming here for a year will have his unilingual English child forced to make his way through a year of school being unable to understand the language of instruction. There are no exceptions permitted.

Facts, directly from Office de la Langue Française

Rules that establish eligibility for English public schools

Situations that determine the eligibility of a child to an English language school, be it public or private-subsidized are addressed in the Charter of the French language.

The main rules are:

• The parent of the child is a Canadian citizen and received most of his primary education in English in Canada.
• The parent is a Canadian citizen and the child has received most of their elementary or secondary instruction in English in Canada.

When a child is allowed to receive instruction in English according to these rules, his brothers and sisters are too.

Furthermore, when a child is temporarily in Quebec because one of her parents studying or working there, he can under certain prescribed conditions, attend English school during his stay.

However, no authorization is required to attend un-subsidized schools offering instruction in English. When this education is used in support of an application for eligibility for instruction in the English public system, a special regulatory framework for analysis is provided for. It sets out the criteria and weighting applicable to the consideration of such education.

That should address a few issues

And then

You still fail to address the lack of freedom of choice of education of the native French populace of Quebec.

This is exacerbated by the number of English Quebecers who choose to educate their children in the French system which, while a valiant effort ot give their children a head start in the world, will prevent their children from having the choice to educate their own children in English in Quebec.

Although you would probably have an easier chance sending your child to an English school in Japan that you would here in Quebec.

On the lot, I did pretty well with English with good ESL teachers at French public school and a desire to expand my horizons.

If English Quebecers are for a fact relinquishing their right to "go back" to English one day, then this is truly wrong.

A funded English language Japanese school that would take in immigrants and put them there, for free?

Ok, I am calling it a night...

 

[Wallon]

A tout mes'' amis'' anglophones sur ce blog,
Imaginez-vous cinq minutes dans la position d'un francophone conscient de sa position extremement minoritaire en amérique du nord,et souhaitant absolument PRÉSERVER a l'intérieur des balises démocratiques actuelles, les acquis obtenues depuis 35 ans...
Que feriez-vous????Pour qui voteriez-vous????
Que penseriez-vous en voyant les loups tout autour,avec une seule idée en tete,vous avaler!!!!????
Je ne parlerai pas des lois,de l'histoire,bien que je le pourrais, parce que quand on se sent face a la mort ,on ne pense pas a ces choses-la...,non, on pense a se battre a se défendre et a survivre...
Essayez,juste pour le plaisir : tous les Etats-Unis FRANCOPHONES, tout le Canada FRANCOPHONE ,face a un petit Québec anglophone...Imaginez-VOUS,vivant dans ce Québec la...Moi, je sais ,que vous penseriez d'une autre facon et que vous seriez peut-etre meme les ''separatist'' que vous détestez tant...Alors réévaluez donc vos positions méprisantes et ridicules,l'anglais au Québec n'a aucune difficulté a exister et a prospérer,mais le francais est toujours sous le respirateur.
Le plus comique ,c'est de lire certains affirmer que la meilleure facon de protéger la culture québécoise,c'est de ne faire absolument RIEN pour la protéger!! Merci du conseil,buddy!!!
Vous etes décourageant par votre triste unanimité,mais bon,tant que vous respectez la démocratie...

 

[RobinX]

en français:

En 1945, Hugh MacLennan a écrit un célèbre roman intitulé Two Solitudes qui décrit comment les Montréalais anglophones et francophones vivaient dans deux mondes différents et voyaient deux réalités différentes. Aujourd'hui, malgré les changements qui ont eu lieu depuis la Révolution Tranquille, il y a encore des Montréalais anglophones et francophones qui semblent vivre dans des dimensions distinctes et ont des perceptions totalement différentes de la même réalité, comme en témoigne la différence dans les points de vue des médias anglophone et francophone, la grande différence dans les préférences électorales des anglophones et francophones et la difference entre les points de vue des francophones et anglophones qu'on voit dans ce fil. C'est pourquoi la tentative à modifier la perception de ces anglophones ne marchera pas:

A tout mes ''amis'' anglophones sur CE blog,
Imaginez-Vous Cinq minutes de Dans la position de l'ONU d'francophone conscient de sa position de minoritaire en Amérique extremement du nord, et souhaitant Absolument PRESERVER À l'intérieur des balises Démocratiques Actuelles, Les acquis obtained DEPUIS 35 ANS ...
Que feriez-vous??? Pour qui voteriez-vous???
Que penseriez-vous en voyante les loups Tout Autour, AVEC UNE Seule idée en tête, vous certifiez avaler!!????

Peut-être ce qui est nécessaire est une sorte d'immersion des adultes, ou un programme d'échanges entre anglophones et francophones, pour que chacun puisse apprecier la perception de l'autre.
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In English:

In 1945 Hugh MacLennan wrote a famous novel entitled "Two Solitudes" which described how anglophone and francophone Montrealers lived in two different worlds and saw two different realities. Today, despite the changes that have occurred since the Quiet Revolution there are still anglophone and francophone Montrealers who seem to live in separate dimensions and have totally different perceptions of the same reality, as evidenced by the difference in the viewpoints of the English and French media, the vast difference in the English and French electoral preferences and the difference between the anglophone and francophone viewpoints we see in this thread. That is why your attempt to have anglophones alter their perception of reality will not work:

To all my English ''friends''' English on this board,
Imagine yourself for five minutes in the position of someone who is French, aware of his extreme minority position in North America, and wishing to PRESERVE the gains achieved in the last 35 years, absolutely within the current democratic guidelines
What would you do??? For whom would you vote??
With wolves all around you, with one thing in mind, to swallow you!!??

It is almost as if what is needed is some sort of adult immersion, or an exchange program between anglophones and francophones, that will expose each other to the other's perception of reality.

 

[TheDon]

As much as Quebec wants to be independent they always turn to the Federal Government for money.

Imagine what would happen if the federal government wasn't there to give them this money.

People in Quebec are already highly taxed and only shows the state of the provinces finances.

 

[sapman99]

Oui et non / Yes and no

en français:...et la difference entre les points de vue des francophones et anglophones qu'on voit dans ce fil.
In English: and the difference between the anglophone and francophone viewpoints we see in this thread.

En Français.

Il ne faut pas oublier la nature de MERB: il s'y trouve un grand nombre d'Américains. Non seulement il sera toujours très difficile de leur faire comprendre nos réalités, mais dans ce fil on a un individu local qui est prêt à tout acte de démagogie pour faire passer son point de vue anti-souverainiste et anti Loi 101. Nous avons vu comment il utilise des exemples isolés et les fait passer pour la norme. Nous avons vu comment il n'a jamais une fois fois répondu "vous aviez raison sur ce point" quand il s'est fait corriger. Si ce n'est pas de la démagogie, les poules ont des dents. Comment les Américains peuvent-ils trouver "la vérité" ici? Étant anglophones eux-mêmes c'est normal qu'ils écoutent ce gars-là et c'est difficile pour eux de se tourner vers d'autre voix.

Je l'ai déjà dit: les médias "respectables" anglophones (Gazette, Globe and Mail, National Post, CBC, CTV, Global) s'abstiennent tous de réclamer l'abolition de la Loi 101. Il ne reste que les média poubelle pour ce faire. Un grand nombre d'anglophones québécois ont compris que le français au Québec ne pourrait fleurir sans loi linguistique.

Ne reste que les "die-hards". Comme disait notre ami: "je n'aime pas être assis sur la clôture". En effet, il semble préférer les tranchés.

In English.

We cannot forget the nature of MERB: there are a lot of Americans here. Not only is it difficult for them to understand our reality, but in this thread we have a local individual who is misleading them with his repeated use of demagoguery to broadcast his anti-sovereignty and anti Bill 101 message. We have seen how he portrays isolated cases as the norm. We have seen how he has never said "you may be right on this one point" or "I stand corrected" after other posters researched end exposed the actual facts. If that is not demagoguery show me what is. How can Americans find "the truth" here? Being anglophones themselves makes it hard not to listen to that voice.

I have already said the the "respectable" English Canadian media (Gazette, Globe and Mail, National Post, CBC, CTV, Global) are all abstaining from demanding the abolition of Bill 101. Only the trash media are toting that line. A great number of Quebec anglophones have understood that French will not thrive here without 101.

All that is left are the "die-hards". Like our friend said, he doesn't like fence-sitters. He seems to prefer trenches.

 

[sapman99]

A tout mes'' amis'' anglophones sur ce blog

En français

Une contribution bien sentie. Je mettrais un bémol sur cette notion de "triste unanimité": je crois qu'un nombre croissant d'anglophones bien informés comprennent et respectent la réalité québécoise. Ceci dit, j'apprécie beaucoup le reste de votre contribution.

In English

A very heartfelt post. I would put a damper on this notion of "sadly unanimous" (against French) of yours: I believe a growing number of well-informed anglophones understand and respect the Québec reality. That being said, I am behind all the rest of your post and thank you for it.

 

[Techman]

I have already said the the "respectable" English Canadian media (Gazette, Globe and Mail, National Post, CBC, CTV, Global) are all abstaining from demanding the abolition of Bill 101. Only the trash media are toting that line. A great number of Quebec anglophones have understood that French will not thrive here without 101.

OK, sapman, find me one instance where I said I wanted Bill 101 abolished? I don't. I have no problem with requiring French to be on all business signs, even being predominant. Not necessarily twice the size though, but predominant. I also believe that all public signs that deal with public safety or deal with public information and are published by any level of governmen should be bilingual and of equal size here in Montreal. I have no problem with a requirement that employees be required to speak French, although I think a better requirement would be that they be BILINGUAL instead. I believe that anyone in any public position who deals with the public in Montreal should be able to communicate in both English and French as a requirement for employment. That includes anyone working for Hydro Quebec, the Montreal Police department and the Montreal Transport system.

The main thing I have a problem with in regards to Bill 101 is the freedom of choice of language of education and I will never change my view on that. Preventing any taxpaying citizen from having that choice is wrong. There is no argument that will ever convince me otherwise.

By the way, you were right regarding language of education choice for people educated in English in Canada. I confused that with another discussion I was having elsewhere in regards to students coming from outside Quebec paying full foreign student tuition rates. My apologies.


As far as the 'reality' of Quebec is concerned...the reality is that the leaders of this province are a bunch of fear mongering cowards who use the falsity of the Quebec culture being in danger to keep their citizens in fear of losing their identity in the goal of remaining in power. If they were honest, they would tell the citizens of Quebec that the only way to ensure the survival of their culture is to have children and pass their culture on to them as has been done since the beginning of civilization. Dependance on immigration and language laws does nothing but delay the inevitable. As the world continues to break down barriers and borders, the idea of maintaining an isolated, protected culture is beyond any logical reasoning. And those who support that idea and think they can actually maintain this kind of society are narrowminded fools who do nothing but cause social and economic problems for Quebec as a whole.

 

[gugu]

The main thing I have a problem with in regards to Bill 101 is the freedom of choice of language of education and I will never change my view on that.

Saying that and saying you want the law 101 (btw, it's not a bill, it's a law) abolished is the same. Language of instruction was also at the core of law 22 adopted by the Liberal Party in 1974 after harsh criticism of previous law 63 that did not impose it. I remember quite well the public uprisings all across that followed law 63.

Dependance on immigration and language laws does nothing but delay the inevitable. As the world continues to break down barriers and borders, the idea of maintaining an isolated, protected culture is beyond any logical reasoning. And those who support that idea and think they can actually maintain this kind of society are narrowminded fools who do nothing but cause social and economic problems for Quebec as a whole.

At some point, you will have to make up your mind. You said previously that law 101 is not necessary to protect our culture. Now you say we will not be able to do so anyway. I'm confused, as usual when I read your stuff.

 

[Techman]

The law is not necessary to protect the Quebecois culture because no law is capable of protecting it. All the law does is provide a false sense of security. Only the people who are part of a culture can ensure it's survival by having children. Eventually the 'French face' of Montreal will be as genuine as the Magic Kingdom in Disneyland as far as Quebecois 'culture' is concerned, if it isn't already. I hate to have to hit you with reality, but Haitians and Arabs and Greeks and Asians and Italians and Americans and whatever other ethnic group you can think of who immigrate to Quebec are not and never will be Pur Laine Quebecois. They may speak the French language but they will never adopt the Quebecois 'culture'.

I think it's time to wake up and open your eyes to the real world. Language doesn't make the world go round, so to speak. Money does. And like it or not, the language of money in the world happens to be English.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Reality is if the PQ wins Quebec is fucked.

 

[gugu]

That's an insult for so many Arabs, Greeks, Asians, Italians and Americans immigrants who proudly contribute to the culture of this land, who proudly speak french and who, often, had the great idea of learning their mother tong and traditions to their kids. No one wants them to be pure laine, quite the contrary. We expect them to enrich the culture every way they can.

Sorry, buddy, but money has no language. So was told Parizeau when he went to New York to get the funding for the nationalization of Hydro-Québec in the sixties.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

I'm a little late to the parade, and haven't read the thread thoroughly, but let me make a few points.

1. A few years back, Gourmet Magazine did a series of six issues, each highlighting one city: New York, San Francisco, Rome, London, Paris, Montreal. The lead editorial of the sixth issue, the Montreal issue, stated at the end that of the cities they visited, their favorite was Montreal. Why? Because the people of Montreal have really figured out how to live. So let the money go where it will; give me the quality of life that Montreal presents, in large part, because of the French heritage and culture.

2. I was hanging out and riding with a friend this afternoon, a Jewish person, middle aged, who has spent his entire life in this city. He gave me a bit of a history lesson. Apparently, unbeknownst to me, before bill 101, English dominated Montreal well beyond the world of big business and high finance; despite the fact that the majority population was French, it was hard for a French person to get served in his first language in a restaurant or shop. The situation had some elements of apartheid. Bill 101, while an over-reach in part and an overreaction, was the obvious result. The Anglo population, in essence, by subjugating the majority French population, got what they asked for. What goes around, comes around.

3. One of the unfortunate side effects of 101 is that it does discriminate against the French population. I have Anglo friends who send their kids to French school and raise their kids to be bilingual. French people do not have the same luxury. They have to make extra effort for their kids to be bilingual.

4. I live in a very mixed section of the city, but the French flavor is evident. (I've been told that nearly 50% of the French speaking population of the Plateau is from France, by the way.) I totally hate it when I walk into my favorite cafe and hear Simon and Garfunkel or Bob Dylan. While I totally understand the need for Bill 101, much of it is misdirected.

5. I really don't know what I'd do if I had a vote in the coming election. Charest is breaking the province and is hopelessly corrupt. Marois is a raving racist lunatic, who must be channelling Michele Bachmann, Solidaire is irrelevant. I think I'd have to vote with Legault.

6. Toronto is Houston, Montreal is San Francisco. I'll stay right where I am, thank you.

 

[Techman]

What's insulting is the idea of immigrants being expected to give up their own culture and mother tongue to adopt ours. I guess that's to be expected of a culture that only goes back a couple of hundred years as opposed to thousands of years when talking about Arab, Asian, Greek, Jewish and other cultures, but thinks theirs is so superiour that it deserves to have laws to protect it when it is not strong enough to survive on it's own merits.

And i wonder what language Parizeau was speaking in New York? Why were his children and Lucien Bouchard's children and many other Quebec politician's children educated in ENGLISH PRIVATE SCHOOLS while the majority of Quebec citizens do not have the money for that luxury and are forbidden public English education if they so choose? Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Maybe you should have a talk with Mayor Jean Tremblay and see how he feels about it. Or maybe these quotes from Parizeau might ring a bell?

«On va parler de nous : à 60 pour cent, on a votépour»

Half a minute later:

«C'est vrai, c'est vrai qu'on a été battus, au fond, par quoi? Par l'argent puis des votes ethniques, essentiellement».

It doesn't matter how hard immigrants try, it makes no difference to the hardliners. They will always be "les autres".

Je me souviens. Great slogan but it works both ways you know. It's time people open their eyes to the truth.

 

[eisfire]

I'm a little late to the parade, and haven't read the thread thoroughly, but let me make a few points.

1. A few years back, Gourmet Magazine did a series of six issues, each highlighting one city: New York, San Francisco, Rome, London, Paris, Montreal. The lead editorial of the sixth issue, the Montreal issue, stated at the end that of the cities they visited, their favorite was Montreal. Why? Because the people of Montreal have really figured out how to live. So let the money go where it will; give me the quality of life that Montreal presents, in large part, because of the French heritage and culture.

For me, that's great, but do it on your own dime (i.e decades-straight of equalization payments is not "doing it on your own dime"). Vacationing in a city is very different than living in the same place. I may love to visit London or New York but I may not like to live there (too expensive). Rome is a beautiful city to visit but when you have to deal with the level of corruption you may have second thoughts.

 

[Techman]

I'm a little late to the parade, and haven't read the thread thoroughly, but let me make a few points.

1. A few years back, Gourmet Magazine did a series of six issues, each highlighting one city: New York, San Francisco, Rome, London, Paris, Montreal. The lead editorial of the sixth issue, the Montreal issue, stated at the end that of the cities they visited, their favorite was Montreal. Why? Because the people of Montreal have really figured out how to live. So let the money go where it will; give me the quality of life that Montreal presents, in large part, because of the French heritage and culture.

....

I still have that issue along with the next issue. Interesting thing is that in the following issue there was a letter to the editor complaining about how they didn't talk about how Montreal was a French city and that most people here lived in French. It wasn't enough that they had published a great issue about Montreal, inviting everyone to come here because it was a great place, someone still had to bring up the language issue and complain about it.

 

[anon_vlad]

Le pourcentage d'anglophones qui peuvent fonctionner en français est plus grand que le pourcentage de francophones qui peuvent gérer en anglais. Les écoles publiques anglaises sont en train de mourir. Le projet de loi 101 assure que chaque année, le nombre autorisé à entrer dans les écoles anglaises va baisser. Il est largement reconnu que toute petite baisse dans la proportion de francophones sur l'île de Montréal est due à leur déplacement vers Laval et la Rive-Sud.

Le PQ a seulement des trivialités à se plaindre. Un vendeur dans un magasin parle français avec un accent. Quels sont les anglophones censés faire si ils ne sont pas assez talentueux pour perdre leur accent? Cacher dans les égouts? Un vendeur dans un magasin dit "Bonjour, Salut" avant de savoir quelle langue que le client souhaite prendre la parole. Quel insult!

Pourtant, le PQ se sent obligé de faire la loi 101 plus rigoureux! Y at-il pas de limite au montant des anglophones harcèlement avoir à endurer en dépit de leurs efforts en tant que «le français est menacé"?


The percentage of anglophones who can function in French is larger than the percentage of francophones who can manage in English. English public schools are dying as Bill 101 ensures that each year the number permitted to enter them declines. It is widely acknowledged that any small decline in the proportion of francophones on the island of Montreal is due to their movement to Laval and the South shore.

The PQ has only trivialities to complain about. An clerk in a store speaks French with an accent. What are anglophones supposed to do if they are not talented enough to lose their accents? Hide in sewers? A clerk in a store says "Bonjour, Hi" before knowing what language the client would like to speak.

Yet the PQ feels obliged to make Bill 101 more stringent! Is there no limit to the amount of harassment anglophones have to endure despite their efforts as "French is threatened"?

 

[Techman]

A clerk in a store says "Bonjour, Hi" before knowing what language the client would like to speak.

As long as they don't say "Hi, Bonjour" because then someone will complain to the Apostrophe SS, otherwise know as the OQLF because it is an insult and a provocation if French is not presented first.


I've always wondered how the Greeks feel about the language of the Olympic Games being French.

 

[sapman99]

The language of Money, the language of Life

Techman,

Thank you for your post. Contributions like this help a debate progress along with the real sharing of ideas. And thank you for stating your position on the various parts of Bill 101. If you say you never stated you want 101 abolished, I believe you.

Signs: we are so close there that I would settle for your choice. I think the size requirement thing should go, its’ “diminutive” (some say size matters, others not lol). As long as French is first on the list and isn’t smaller than any of the others.

Work: Agree there too. On the bilingual requirement, well it’s not against the law now to stipulate languages as skills. Possibly more public servants should be re-classified bilingual to better serve the population and deal “with the world at large”. Any person young or old with Internet access anywhere in the world must be really dumb not to want to learn English, and Quebec is the same if not more. We are in North America after all.

I find a bit of a catch in “no problem with a requirement that employees be required to speak French”. It is not quite the same as “work is to be conducted in French”. Yes, there are quite a lot of exceptions, and I know because I work in IT. A lot of technical and business material needs to be in English, and to expand outside Quebec, English is a must. A panoply of Quebec companies with their head offices here have dramatically expanded to the rest of Canada, the US and the world since 1977. It is a sure bet that most people in these head offices are bilingual. But they have the right to talk to their superiors in French, and all personnel related dealings take place in French unless both parties agree otherwise.

The events of last fall with corporate high-level unilingual Anglophones at the helm of Human Resources (for one) prove that vigilance is necessary. It has been rumored that some of them have-had enforced English-only use in their departments to understand what is going on instead of learning French.

Education/Immigration: If I understand your position clearly, there would be freedom of language choice for current residents, immigrants and visitors for access to publicly-funded institutions, from grade school to university.

As it stands right now anyone from Canada and his/her children who went to English public school there can do the same in Quebec. That includes anyone who “fled” Quebec to another part of Canada, and their descendants if they stayed in Canada.

A couple of times in your posts you had mentioned “any language” but I will take this to mean only English or French as far as public systems go. Correct me if am wrong. It is not a question of freedom as much as cost on the system (if you start rolling in additional languages). Most countries/jurisdictions have only one public school system in terms of language. In Belgium, it depends on the region (Flemish or French), etc.

For the sake of this post, Bill 22 stipulated “English public school is available only to children who have an adequate knowledge of this language”. That gap is so wide anyone can jump into it.

This “change back” would impact immigration. Currently, bill 101 is supported at the level of immigrant weighing. That is a debate in itself, yikes. But if someone insists on starting another thread, I will be right there trying to debunk as best I can.

I can’t argue with you that the crux of this debate is the education of immigrants. Business has issues but they can be ironed out.

I am not disparaging any immigrant from any part of the world by saying this, but given a chance at a public education in French or English most of them will opt for the latter.

Regardless, the immigrants we have received since the language and immigration rule changes are fine by me and I bet more and more of them are French-English bilingual as well as their native language when they arrive. They have skills that will work in Quebec and around the world and I don’t think for a second we are “losing out” by making language a criterion (among other valuable assets).

If an immigrant moves to an American city from Romania he will be faced with English all around him, or Spanish if he moves to Madrid. The public education systems will be in those languages.

[h=2]The language of Money, the language of Life[/h]Yes, the language of money in the world is English. But that applies all over the world, where the living language of the people is not English. Living language and the language of money are two different things. I am very glad for unilingual English people that have the gift of having both wrapped up into one from birth. I am sure that even subconsciously it is bound to be an opinion changer. But please try to think outside the box. (I know, Tech, that was not for you).

For the last time in this thread: 6 million French speakers surrounded by 325 million English speakers. A past of abuses. Globalization. Demographic projections. It was immigration or naught.

The French of Quebec have never said no to the language of money as have most non primary-English speaking people everywhere. But you propose a change that would slowly effect in the primary “language of life” becoming English in Montreal and Gatineau rapidly and expanding to the rest of the province irrevocably.

In the name of money?

 

[gugu]

English public schools are dying as Bill 101 ensures that each year the number permitted to enter them declines.

The decline of English public schools is due to the emigration and weak birth rate of anglo quebecers.

The PQ has only trivialities to complain about. An clerk in a store speaks French with an accent.

Huh? The PQ is complaining about that? Really?

A clerk in a store says "Bonjour, Hi" before knowing what language the client would like to speak.

I don't get it. Are you suggesting the clerk should say "Bonjour, Hi"? First, maybe the clerk does not speak english. Second, the clerk does not have to speak english.

Being greeted with "Bonjour" does not insult anybody but the most narrow minded people in Montréal. It's a french city. It's part of the tourist experience. I don't feel insulted not being greeted in french or english when I travel in South America or Asia.

My understanding is that the PQ proposes 2 main changes to law 101.

1 Closing english cegep to the french educated kids. I think it was proposed to consolidate PQ hard liner basis for electoral purposes. I don't think there is any chance that this proposal will be implemented.

2 Ending the "écoles-passerelle", in defiance of the Supreme Court decision. I agree with PQ that the écoles passerelles should not be permitted. However, the defiance of the Supreme Court is an other thing. If there is a feeling that a referendum should take place, I think that a move on that specific issue will be the prerequisite to it.

 

[sapman99]

Back to our regularly scheduled program / De retour à notre émission

Débat des chefs sur Radio Canada ce soir (dimanche 19 août).

Party leaders debate on Radio Canada

8PM

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Français

Je ne sais pas pour les autres, mais pour moi la langue a kidnappé le sujet, les élections. Si on veut démarrer une discussion séparée et respectueuse sur la langue, je n'ai rien contre. Mais il faut arrêter de répéter nos positions quand on les connait très bien, et la situation existante.

English

I don't know about the others, but I think the language issue has kidnapped the wider election thread. If someone wishes to pursue a separate and respectful debate on language I am not against it. But we must refrain from continuously restating our known positions and the existing situation.