Elections: MERB poll results and before/after elections discussions.
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I just read an article in "Rue Frontenac" where it mentions Bloc leader Gilles Duceppe is barely ahead in his own riding & risks losing it. Polls today showed that he's currently ahead 38.3% to 35.1% for the NDP candidate, unknown Helene Laverdiere, a former diplomat.
If Duceppe loses in his own riding, it might mean the end of Gilles Duceppe's political career. It might also mean the Bloc Quebecois' influence on the Canadian political landscape has come to an end. Could the party survive? It's very doubtful.
Good riddance if you ask me.
If Duceppe loses in his own riding, it might mean the end of Gilles Duceppe's political career. It might also mean the Bloc Quebecois' influence on the Canadian political landscape has come to an end. Could the party survive? It's very doubtful.
Good riddance if you ask me.
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Elsewhere in Canada and in Quebec
Actually other minorities do have access to education and services in their own language:
The Jewish community has a large educational system in place throughout Canada including Quebec while smaller communities also have integrated into the educational system. One example:
http://www.edu.gov.mb.ca/k12/cur/languages/ukrainian/index.html
Economically, a significant number of ethnic communities have their own credit unions across Canada including Quebec.Just google "Name of ethnic group" credit union. Legislation precluded banks so they went the credit union or caisse pop route. A number of the ethnic caisse pops here in Quebec are amongst the leaders when it comes to assets and performance.
Services. Access to professional services is usually available to any ethnic group with a large enough population base within two generations of their arrival in Canada or Quebec. The youth are more than happy to fill the need.
In the east end of Montreal there are ethnic retirement, extended care facilities, community centers, financial and professional services, educational opportunities in a variety of languages beyond French and English.
Actually other minorities do have access to education and services in their own language:
The Jewish community has a large educational system in place throughout Canada including Quebec while smaller communities also have integrated into the educational system. One example:
http://www.edu.gov.mb.ca/k12/cur/languages/ukrainian/index.html
Economically, a significant number of ethnic communities have their own credit unions across Canada including Quebec.Just google "Name of ethnic group" credit union. Legislation precluded banks so they went the credit union or caisse pop route. A number of the ethnic caisse pops here in Quebec are amongst the leaders when it comes to assets and performance.
Services. Access to professional services is usually available to any ethnic group with a large enough population base within two generations of their arrival in Canada or Quebec. The youth are more than happy to fill the need.
In the east end of Montreal there are ethnic retirement, extended care facilities, community centers, financial and professional services, educational opportunities in a variety of languages beyond French and English.
Election Humour
Some election humour:
STEPHEN HARPER was visiting an Ontario primary school and the class was in the middle of a discussion related to words and their meanings. The teacher asked Mr. Harper if he would like to lead the discussion on the word 'Tragedy'.
So our illustrious leader asked the class for an example of a 'Tragedy'.
A little boy stood up and offered:
If my best friend, who lives on a farm, is playin' in the field and a tractor runs over him and kills him, that would be a tragedy.
Incorrect, said Harper. That would be an accident.
A little girl raised her hand:
If a school bus carrying fifty children drove over a cliff, killing everybody inside, that would be a tragedy.
'I'm afraid not', explained Harper, that's what we would refer to as a great loss''
The room went silent. No other children volunteered.
Harper searched the room.
Isn't there someone here who can give me an example of a tragedy?
Finally, at the back of the room, little Johnny raised his hand and said:
If a plane carrying you and Mr. Ignatieff and Mr. Layton and Mr. Duceppe were struck by a 'friendly fire' missile & blown to smithereens, that would be a tragedy.
Fantastic, exclaimed Harper, and can you tell me why that would be a tragedy ?
Well, said Johnny, it has to be a tragedy, because it certainly wouldn't be a great loss, and it probably wouldn't be a f****** accident either!
Some election humour:
STEPHEN HARPER was visiting an Ontario primary school and the class was in the middle of a discussion related to words and their meanings. The teacher asked Mr. Harper if he would like to lead the discussion on the word 'Tragedy'.
So our illustrious leader asked the class for an example of a 'Tragedy'.
A little boy stood up and offered:
If my best friend, who lives on a farm, is playin' in the field and a tractor runs over him and kills him, that would be a tragedy.
Incorrect, said Harper. That would be an accident.
A little girl raised her hand:
If a school bus carrying fifty children drove over a cliff, killing everybody inside, that would be a tragedy.
'I'm afraid not', explained Harper, that's what we would refer to as a great loss''
The room went silent. No other children volunteered.
Harper searched the room.
Isn't there someone here who can give me an example of a tragedy?
Finally, at the back of the room, little Johnny raised his hand and said:
If a plane carrying you and Mr. Ignatieff and Mr. Layton and Mr. Duceppe were struck by a 'friendly fire' missile & blown to smithereens, that would be a tragedy.
Fantastic, exclaimed Harper, and can you tell me why that would be a tragedy ?
Well, said Johnny, it has to be a tragedy, because it certainly wouldn't be a great loss, and it probably wouldn't be a f****** accident either!
Why reinvent the wheel
http://www.threehundredeight.blogspot.com/
His projections have serious lag, but there are real reasons for it.
http://www.threehundredeight.blogspot.com/
His projections have serious lag, but there are real reasons for it.
No, it would be a tragedy because Elizabeth May isn't on the plane also.
I just can't take her seriously.
Coalition government of course, but now Jack challenging Michael as prime minister...quite interesting.
Less interesting: some very stupid statements made here by people who just seem to make ''Les deux solitudes'' theory going on forever.
Some basic realities about this country:
-The english minority in Québec is far more respected and get much better services than any french minority in any other province (except New Brunswick of course, because this is the only officially bilingual province).
-The PQ has proven to be a very efficient party in power in the past, at least not worst than the present liberals.
-Jacques Parizeau statement after 1995 referundum was fucken right but politically not acceptable...
-BQ is a unique party in the sense that it wants to win but don't expect to be in power. Most BQ candidates probably unsconciously wish not to be elected, Duceppe more than any other.
Try to understand: ils se sont fait prendre à leur propre jeu...et le jeu a trop duré!
Le meilleur service que l'on peut rendre aux bloquistes, c'est de ne pas voter pour eux. Le meilleur service que l'on peut rendre au mouvement indépendantiste c'est de pas voter pour le Bloc, pour ramener la cause là ou elle doit être débattue, au Québec, pas à Ottawa. Pour enlever aux québécois mous cette illusion qu'il y a quelqu'un à Ottawa pour défendre leurs intérêts et pour rester à jamais les couilles molles et pas capable d'écrire ''Oui'' le jour du prochain référendum...Comme dirait Gilles Vigneault: un peuple si fort si combatif, un peuple capable d'affronter les pires hivers et ..pas capable de signer un ''oui''...Think about all this my friends...
Less interesting: some very stupid statements made here by people who just seem to make ''Les deux solitudes'' theory going on forever.
Some basic realities about this country:
-The english minority in Québec is far more respected and get much better services than any french minority in any other province (except New Brunswick of course, because this is the only officially bilingual province).
-The PQ has proven to be a very efficient party in power in the past, at least not worst than the present liberals.
-Jacques Parizeau statement after 1995 referundum was fucken right but politically not acceptable...
-BQ is a unique party in the sense that it wants to win but don't expect to be in power. Most BQ candidates probably unsconciously wish not to be elected, Duceppe more than any other.
Try to understand: ils se sont fait prendre à leur propre jeu...et le jeu a trop duré!
Le meilleur service que l'on peut rendre aux bloquistes, c'est de ne pas voter pour eux. Le meilleur service que l'on peut rendre au mouvement indépendantiste c'est de pas voter pour le Bloc, pour ramener la cause là ou elle doit être débattue, au Québec, pas à Ottawa. Pour enlever aux québécois mous cette illusion qu'il y a quelqu'un à Ottawa pour défendre leurs intérêts et pour rester à jamais les couilles molles et pas capable d'écrire ''Oui'' le jour du prochain référendum...Comme dirait Gilles Vigneault: un peuple si fort si combatif, un peuple capable d'affronter les pires hivers et ..pas capable de signer un ''oui''...Think about all this my friends...
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Here's a good article for those who still thinks Quebec is just another province like any other in Canada.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/federal-vote-mean-long-term-change-ottawa-1896-090011100.html
At the national level there have been three major realignments in Canada's past: the elections of 1896, 1984 and 1993, according to political historian John Duffy. Those elections not only marked changes in government but also the rise and fall, over a longer period, of major political parties.
Each of those shifts — the dawn of Liberal dominance under Wilfrid Laurier, the Mulroney landslide that ended a century of Liberal hegemony in French Canada, and the emergence of a balkanized Parliament fractured along regional lines — shared one common epicentre: Quebec.
"The realignments of this country tend to happen when Quebec picks a new lane. That appears to be what's happening here."
He cites past examples of how Quebec flexed its political power and exerted influence throughout Confederation.
"Having Quebec more directly engaged will change everything."
...any orange tide tonight should not be over-interpreted as a clear win for Canadian federalism. Quebec, after all, will continue electing sovereigntist MPs; the NDP, for its part, is relying heavily on promises to nationalists that might prove controversial elsewhere in the country.
Thus the fame question over and over again "What does Quebec wants ?"
And for those who still argue...
"What does Québec Want?" was first quite simply wanting all powers provinces had in the early agreement of 1867 returned: "World War is over" they said and repeated in the early '20's. Astonishing perhaps, but "English Canada" only began to listen in the early '60's and then only after Jean Lesage, Premier of Québec, unequivocally affirmed during the election campaign "Maîtres chez nous". "What does Québec Want?" was now quite simply wanting a re-visiting of the first Constitution and its amendments in order to re-consider and re-align our hundred year old agreements. Unfortunately, that was not enough because "What does Québec Want" kept being repeated, all over the place, to the point where les Canadiens français du Québec framed Québecois, a distinctive self-assertion to replace Canadiens français; it was now obvious to a vast number of them that Canada was no longer their country. Incidentally the small minority in Saskatchewan immediately followed suit with fransaskois to replace franco-saskatchewanais...which is interesting indeed, because French-speaking Canadians had always referred to themselves as Canadiens français.
Have fun... yeah ! I said it !
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/federal-vote-mean-long-term-change-ottawa-1896-090011100.html
At the national level there have been three major realignments in Canada's past: the elections of 1896, 1984 and 1993, according to political historian John Duffy. Those elections not only marked changes in government but also the rise and fall, over a longer period, of major political parties.
Each of those shifts — the dawn of Liberal dominance under Wilfrid Laurier, the Mulroney landslide that ended a century of Liberal hegemony in French Canada, and the emergence of a balkanized Parliament fractured along regional lines — shared one common epicentre: Quebec.
"The realignments of this country tend to happen when Quebec picks a new lane. That appears to be what's happening here."
He cites past examples of how Quebec flexed its political power and exerted influence throughout Confederation.
"Having Quebec more directly engaged will change everything."
...any orange tide tonight should not be over-interpreted as a clear win for Canadian federalism. Quebec, after all, will continue electing sovereigntist MPs; the NDP, for its part, is relying heavily on promises to nationalists that might prove controversial elsewhere in the country.
Thus the fame question over and over again "What does Quebec wants ?"
And for those who still argue...
"What does Québec Want?" was first quite simply wanting all powers provinces had in the early agreement of 1867 returned: "World War is over" they said and repeated in the early '20's. Astonishing perhaps, but "English Canada" only began to listen in the early '60's and then only after Jean Lesage, Premier of Québec, unequivocally affirmed during the election campaign "Maîtres chez nous". "What does Québec Want?" was now quite simply wanting a re-visiting of the first Constitution and its amendments in order to re-consider and re-align our hundred year old agreements. Unfortunately, that was not enough because "What does Québec Want" kept being repeated, all over the place, to the point where les Canadiens français du Québec framed Québecois, a distinctive self-assertion to replace Canadiens français; it was now obvious to a vast number of them that Canada was no longer their country. Incidentally the small minority in Saskatchewan immediately followed suit with fransaskois to replace franco-saskatchewanais...which is interesting indeed, because French-speaking Canadians had always referred to themselves as Canadiens français.
Have fun... yeah ! I said it !
A special message from the rest of Canada to Gilles Duceppe.
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Damn disappearing insert photo icons.
At least the hot anglo barmaid won her seat. Too bad May got in, all the debates need is more discussion on how great rainbows and unicorns are.
<img>http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/15/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg</img>
Damn disappearing insert photo icons.
At least the hot anglo barmaid won her seat. Too bad May got in, all the debates need is more discussion on how great rainbows and unicorns are.
Oh! Oh! pas de commentaires sur les élections!
Visiblement tout le monde est sur son cul face aux résultats des élections au Québec.
Jack is a huge winner but what a responsability. According to his Québec representation (69 deputies out of 104) he is going to speak more french than english in the house of commons. Will he do so, I doubt it.
Donc le Québec, les québécois sans se consulter et de manière spontanée ont démontré qu'ils étaient différents du reste des canadiens en votant pour un tiers parti et en le faisant l'opposition officielle.
Les québécois ont décidé d'utiliser le NPD pour se faire valoir et non pas pour en faire leur porte-parole. Les quatre prochaines années montreront que le mouvement indépendantiste sera le grand gagnant de ces élections car le NPD sera incapable de représenter l'unicité et les aspirations des québécois et renforcera l'option indépendantiste maintenant concentrée au Québec et à l'Assemblée Nationale. Tous les députés défaits du Bloc seront maintenant rapatriés dans les circonscriptions provinciales et renforceront l'idée de faire du Québec un pays.
I have to admit that I was wrong about my predictions and also I have to admit that I went to vote...But I vote for the NDP, so I feel tonight as a proud québecois who rejected that majority governement we do have now in Ottawa. As most québécois I feel very sorry, disturbed and worried to have that right wing red neck Prime Minister with a majority governement...God bless Canada for the next 4 years! I have never been so disappointed to be canadian...Je n'ai jamais été aussi fier d'être québécois...
Visiblement tout le monde est sur son cul face aux résultats des élections au Québec.
Jack is a huge winner but what a responsability. According to his Québec representation (69 deputies out of 104) he is going to speak more french than english in the house of commons. Will he do so, I doubt it.
Donc le Québec, les québécois sans se consulter et de manière spontanée ont démontré qu'ils étaient différents du reste des canadiens en votant pour un tiers parti et en le faisant l'opposition officielle.
Les québécois ont décidé d'utiliser le NPD pour se faire valoir et non pas pour en faire leur porte-parole. Les quatre prochaines années montreront que le mouvement indépendantiste sera le grand gagnant de ces élections car le NPD sera incapable de représenter l'unicité et les aspirations des québécois et renforcera l'option indépendantiste maintenant concentrée au Québec et à l'Assemblée Nationale. Tous les députés défaits du Bloc seront maintenant rapatriés dans les circonscriptions provinciales et renforceront l'idée de faire du Québec un pays.
I have to admit that I was wrong about my predictions and also I have to admit that I went to vote...But I vote for the NDP, so I feel tonight as a proud québecois who rejected that majority governement we do have now in Ottawa. As most québécois I feel very sorry, disturbed and worried to have that right wing red neck Prime Minister with a majority governement...God bless Canada for the next 4 years! I have never been so disappointed to be canadian...Je n'ai jamais été aussi fier d'être québécois...
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What is sad for Quebec is that by voting mostly NDP, they have fewer representation in the federal government. Even less than before!
Stephen Harper now has the proof that he doesn't need Quebec to be elected to a majority government. Not good for Quebec!
Look out, i can hear whispers of an upcoming referendum in the coming years!
Stephen Harper now has the proof that he doesn't need Quebec to be elected to a majority government. Not good for Quebec!
Look out, i can hear whispers of an upcoming referendum in the coming years!
The Bloc BARELY got 4 seats. Barely!
Gilles Duceppe didn't even win his own riding! LOL!!!!!!!
Bye-bye Mr. Duceppe!!!!!! Bye-bye Bloc Quebecois!!!!!
Good f&$&# riddance if you ask me!!
"Vivre le Quebec!! Vivre le Canada!"
Gilles Duceppe didn't even win his own riding! LOL!!!!!!!
Bye-bye Mr. Duceppe!!!!!! Bye-bye Bloc Quebecois!!!!!
Good f&$&# riddance if you ask me!!
"Vivre le Quebec!! Vivre le Canada!"
What do you mean by : ''sad for Québec''? Maybe this is sad for Canada not for Québec. Harper now has the proof that he doesn't need Québec...period...
Monsieur-Du-Q
Je suis ces élections depuis le Brésil.
Avant de quitter j'ai posé mon geste de citoyen exemplaire en votant par anticipation. Je ne me suis pas caché dans un autre thread consacré aux élections que j'avais voté NPD, principalement en raison du message social et, partant, des valeurs humanitaires (de gauche) que le parti véhicule.
Je suis nullement surpris par les résulats, sauf peut-être que, dans mon for intérieur, j'espérais que Harper demeure minoritaire.
Je pense que cela démontre de manière irréfutable, apodictique, que les Québécois en ont soupé des Bloquistes. De toute manière le Bloc Québécois était un projet politique voué à l'échec depuis le début. Il avait peut-être sa raison d'être au début des années 1990, mais actuellement nous sommes dans une autre conjecture, le Zeitgeist s'est modifié, le projet indépendantiste s'étiole peu à peu. Le parti est mort au feuilleton et on ne peut dire que bon débarras.
Mais au-delà des revendications indépendantistes, les résultats de cette élection démontre bien que les Québécois sont vraiment différent. There's nothing to do about it, we are different and we will never be true Canadians (by that I mean « rednecks »). Cette élection démontre que les gens de l'Ouest (exception de la C-B) sont des vassaux des USA et affidés aux tristes sbires du Tea Party avec leusr hordes de fanatiques religieux.
Le Canada va toujours rester un pays divisé et d'une certaine manière c'est ce qui fait son charme. Reste à espérer que les Tories et les rednecks bornés s'humanisent un jour et retrouvent le chemin de la raison.
Harper méprisait déjà le Québec et les Québécois, maintenant que les Québécois lui ont signifié qu'il était persona non grata au Québec, va-t-il encore être plus « chien » avec nous. Peut-être cela va rapprocher davantage les Québécois et Harper sera la personnification inverse de René Lévesque en 1976: celui qui a contribué au sentiment anti-québec au sein du ROC. L'effet Harper se soldera-t-il par une exacerbation du sentiment anti-canadien? De belles perspectives pour l'avenir.
Plus tard ce matin je vais suivre les résultats des élections sur TV5 Amérique Latine.
Je suis ces élections depuis le Brésil.
Avant de quitter j'ai posé mon geste de citoyen exemplaire en votant par anticipation. Je ne me suis pas caché dans un autre thread consacré aux élections que j'avais voté NPD, principalement en raison du message social et, partant, des valeurs humanitaires (de gauche) que le parti véhicule.
Je suis nullement surpris par les résulats, sauf peut-être que, dans mon for intérieur, j'espérais que Harper demeure minoritaire.
Je pense que cela démontre de manière irréfutable, apodictique, que les Québécois en ont soupé des Bloquistes. De toute manière le Bloc Québécois était un projet politique voué à l'échec depuis le début. Il avait peut-être sa raison d'être au début des années 1990, mais actuellement nous sommes dans une autre conjecture, le Zeitgeist s'est modifié, le projet indépendantiste s'étiole peu à peu. Le parti est mort au feuilleton et on ne peut dire que bon débarras.
Mais au-delà des revendications indépendantistes, les résultats de cette élection démontre bien que les Québécois sont vraiment différent. There's nothing to do about it, we are different and we will never be true Canadians (by that I mean « rednecks »). Cette élection démontre que les gens de l'Ouest (exception de la C-B) sont des vassaux des USA et affidés aux tristes sbires du Tea Party avec leusr hordes de fanatiques religieux.
Le Canada va toujours rester un pays divisé et d'une certaine manière c'est ce qui fait son charme. Reste à espérer que les Tories et les rednecks bornés s'humanisent un jour et retrouvent le chemin de la raison.
Harper méprisait déjà le Québec et les Québécois, maintenant que les Québécois lui ont signifié qu'il était persona non grata au Québec, va-t-il encore être plus « chien » avec nous. Peut-être cela va rapprocher davantage les Québécois et Harper sera la personnification inverse de René Lévesque en 1976: celui qui a contribué au sentiment anti-québec au sein du ROC. L'effet Harper se soldera-t-il par une exacerbation du sentiment anti-canadien? De belles perspectives pour l'avenir.
Plus tard ce matin je vais suivre les résultats des élections sur TV5 Amérique Latine.
Yes he will probably make Mr. Bernier of Beauce who was previosly ejected from the governement because he let official goverment documents leaked to a girl friend linked to Hells Angels mafia group back to cabinet. Very appealing!
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