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Jesus Montero is (AAA for the Seattle Mariners), I say the Yankees are glad they made this trade. Montero is having a good year in AAA, 4 HR, 19 RBI, .328, but he's not competing in the majors, like he was when he was traded.

This guy was the # 1 catching prospect in the majors

He's done nothing but get fat ( as my Mariner fan at work says:lol:)

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Red Sox learning the hard way what happens when you assume

by Ken Rosenthal, FOX Sports

The 2015 Red Sox were built under the assumptions that the team ...

... would not need an ace.
... would not need power relievers.
... would not need to reduce their surplus of outfielders.
... would not need to worry about Hanley Ramirez adapting to left field.


From the outset, all of those assumptions were suspect, if not outright flawed. And now, with the Sox in disarray -- firing their pitching coach, purging disappointing veterans, generating players-only meetings -- the questions are growing more disturbing.

Did the Red Sox grow so intoxicated by their 2013 World Series title that they lost their way? And if the answer is yes -- if the Sox actually finish below .500 for the third time in four seasons -- whom will ownership hold responsible?

The dismissal of pitching coach Juan Nieves, at least on the surface, appeared to be an over-reaction for a team that had acquired three new starting pitchers (four if you count Joe Kelly, who arrived last July 31), lost its top two catchers and constructed a shaky relief corps.

We might never know the true story on Nieves, if ownership demanded a scapegoat when the Sox stumbled after a 6-2 start and played to an alarming number of empty seats against the Yankees at Fenway Park.

Rival executives hold Nieves in high regard, and say it is not the style of Sox general manager Ben Cherington to assign blame to one individual. Cherington and manager John Farrell, however, took responsibility for the change, with Farrell citing, "the ability to maintain the consistency or affect change when needed ... that wasn't the same as we saw two years ago."

Farrell presumably had a large role in selecting Nieves' replacement, Carl Willis -- the two previously had worked together with the Indians. The entire episode, then, figures to increase the scrutiny on Farrell, who received a contract extension in February through 2017.

If anything, though, the Red Sox's faulty roster construction is on Cherington -- and on an ownership that probably could have signed left-hander Jon Lester to a five-year, $125 million extension a year ago, but low-balled him with a four-year, $70 million offer.

By now, we are all familiar with the Red Sox's aversion to long-term deals for players in their 30s and preference for shorter, high-dollar contracts. The strategy worked in '13, when Shane Victorino, Mike Napoli, Stephen Drew and Jonny Gomes contributed to a Series title. But the success emboldened the Sox, leading to a series of unfortunate decisions.

At the moment, the team's Triple A roster includes outfielders Rusney Castillo and Allen Craig, who are earning a combined $16 million this season, with $77.5 million more due. The demotion of Craig and struggles of Kelly make the initial return on the John Lackey trade look poor. And it's fair to question the wisdom of the Sox awarding contract extensions to Rick Porcello and especially Wade Miley before either ever threw a pitch for the team.

No, the AL East is not what it once was, but the division still is home to three of the game's top seven offenses (Blue Jays, Orioles, Yankees). The idea that the Sox could somehow compete for a Series title without an ace never made sense. Now the team is in a compromised position, reducing its trade leverage. And the bullpen, which is nowhere near as good as, say, the Royals' or Yankees', risks being overworked.

The offense is good enough for the Sox to recover, presuming that Ramirez doesn't get completely freaked out -- or injured again -- playing left field. But the Sox cannot rely alone on prospects such as Eduardo Rodriguez to fix their rotation. And heaven knows how long their 40-year-old closer, Koji Uehara, will hold up.

Faulty assumptions. Disturbing questions. The 2015 Boston Red Sox.

Red Sox learning the hard way what happens when you assume
 

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Red Sox learning the hard way what happens when you assume

by Ken Rosenthal, FOX Sports

The 2015 Red Sox were built under the assumptions that the team ...

... would not need an ace.
... would not need power relievers.
... would not need to reduce their surplus of outfielders.
... would not need to worry about Hanley Ramirez adapting to left field.


From the outset, all of those assumptions were suspect, if not outright flawed. And now, with the Sox in disarray -- firing their pitching coach, purging disappointing veterans, generating players-only meetings -- the questions are growing more disturbing.

Did the Red Sox grow so intoxicated by their 2013 World Series title that they lost their way? And if the answer is yes -- if the Sox actually finish below .500 for the third time in four seasons -- whom will ownership hold responsible?

The dismissal of pitching coach Juan Nieves, at least on the surface, appeared to be an over-reaction for a team that had acquired three new starting pitchers (four if you count Joe Kelly, who arrived last July 31), lost its top two catchers and constructed a shaky relief corps.

We might never know the true story on Nieves, if ownership demanded a scapegoat when the Sox stumbled after a 6-2 start and played to an alarming number of empty seats against the Yankees at Fenway Park.

Rival executives hold Nieves in high regard, and say it is not the style of Sox general manager Ben Cherington to assign blame to one individual. Cherington and manager John Farrell, however, took responsibility for the change, with Farrell citing, "the ability to maintain the consistency or affect change when needed ... that wasn't the same as we saw two years ago."

Farrell presumably had a large role in selecting Nieves' replacement, Carl Willis -- the two previously had worked together with the Indians. The entire episode, then, figures to increase the scrutiny on Farrell, who received a contract extension in February through 2017.

If anything, though, the Red Sox's faulty roster construction is on Cherington -- and on an ownership that probably could have signed left-hander Jon Lester to a five-year, $125 million extension a year ago, but low-balled him with a four-year, $70 million offer.

By now, we are all familiar with the Red Sox's aversion to long-term deals for players in their 30s and preference for shorter, high-dollar contracts. The strategy worked in '13, when Shane Victorino, Mike Napoli, Stephen Drew and Jonny Gomes contributed to a Series title. But the success emboldened the Sox, leading to a series of unfortunate decisions.

At the moment, the team's Triple A roster includes outfielders Rusney Castillo and Allen Craig, who are earning a combined $16 million this season, with $77.5 million more due. The demotion of Craig and struggles of Kelly make the initial return on the John Lackey trade look poor. And it's fair to question the wisdom of the Sox awarding contract extensions to Rick Porcello and especially Wade Miley before either ever threw a pitch for the team.

No, the AL East is not what it once was, but the division still is home to three of the game's top seven offenses (Blue Jays, Orioles, Yankees). The idea that the Sox could somehow compete for a Series title without an ace never made sense. Now the team is in a compromised position, reducing its trade leverage. And the bullpen, which is nowhere near as good as, say, the Royals' or Yankees', risks being overworked.

The offense is good enough for the Sox to recover, presuming that Ramirez doesn't get completely freaked out -- or injured again -- playing left field. But the Sox cannot rely alone on prospects such as Eduardo Rodriguez to fix their rotation. And heaven knows how long their 40-year-old closer, Koji Uehara, will hold up.

Faulty assumptions. Disturbing questions. The 2015 Boston Red Sox.

Red Sox learning the hard way what happens when you assume

I bet there are many articles like this analyzing Boston's sinking ship.

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The Yankees rolled again. CC pitched a great game giving up 3 ER in 7 innings. Perhaps, he is turning his bad season around? The Yankees scored 11 runs without their top .BA hitter Jacoby Ellsbury. You got to love the Yanks run production.'

Arod hit his 8th HR of the year. The Yanks improve their record to 21-12 and a 4 game lead over 2nd place Tampa Bay.

The Red Sox, 5 1/2 games behind the Yanks in 4th place, eeked out a win over the Oakland A's. Yes the 12-22 Rays. Do they have a MLB caliber player left? Not sure. But anyhow, a win is a win. It eases those Cheatriot fans woes about deflated balls.
 

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Arod is well on his way to the come back player of the year award. Yes DD41, the Yanks are rolling! Keep it up guys, great stuff!
 

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CC pitched a great game giving up 3 ER in 7 innings.

Oh bravo! Clap, clap, clap. What a great job. Now he has a 1 in the win column to go along with his LEAGUE LEADING 5 in the loss column....and only for $23 million to $25 million a year.

It eases those Cheatriot fans woes about deflated balls.
Arod is well on his way to the come back player of the year award.

I see the sanctimonious preachers of Holy Rules Integrity don't have any qualms about the NY CHEATEES poster boy for the big black *. Too bad the team won't pay the definition of unabashed CHEATING (ARod) the bonuses for those tainted home runs carrying nuclear glowing asterisks. It seems the New York Yankees agree this bum is totally without any molecule of integrity or respectability, but our boys don't care when it's their team.

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Toronto fans call out the cheater of the century.

LOOK: Fan takes out ad asking MLB to add asterisk to A-Rod's 660th homer

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...sking-mlb-to-add-asterisk-for-a-rods-660th-hr

At some point soon, Yankees slugger Alex Rodriguez is going to hit the 660th home run of his career, tying him with Willie Mays for fourth place on the all-time list. A-Rod started the season with 654 homers and has already gone deep five times, so he's just one away from history.

Of course, A-Rod's home run total and overall legacy has been tarnished by his performance-enhancing drug use. He admitted to using PEDs while with the Rangers from 2001-03 and was suspended for the entire 2014 season for his ties to Biogenesis. The validity of his 659 homers is very much in question.

But still, home runs are home runs, and A-Rod has indeed hit 659 of them in his career. They happened, they're in the record books. The same will be true of No. 660 whenever it comes. One fan, however, wants Rodriguez's homer total to be marked with an asterisk due to his PED use and took out a full-page ad asking MLB to do just that:


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To be fair, the fan who took out the ad is not the only one who wants A-Rod's 660th homer to be de-legitimized. The Yankees will owe Rodriguez a $6 million marketing bonus when he hits that homer, and the team is reportedly looking to get out of paying it. They intend to argue his PED use renders the milestone blast unmarketable.

So a Giants fan is upset the most stained player in sports will be besmirch and dishonor the great Willies Mays. I'll bet our Cheatees boys don't agree with that or their now inconvenient views on sports cheating. I'll also bet they don't respond or they will find some nonsense to kiss ARod's butt. What's the old slogan..."Tastes great and less filling? :D :lol:

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3 ER in 7 innings constitutes greatness?


CC gave up 1 run in 6 innings and gave up 3, 2 earned in the 7th. Compared to how has been pitching, yes, it was a great game for him. Maybe a confidence builder?
 

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After tonights game, dave ortiz is on pace for 20 hr's and 65 rbi's, or 15 less hr's than last season and 40 rbi's less than last season. Old age, more severe roid testing or a combo of both? Thoughts?

Me thinks a combo of both.
 

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After tonights game, dave ortiz is on pace for 20 hr's and 65 rbi's, or 15 less hr's than last season and 40 rbi's less than last season. Old age, more severe roid testing or a combo of both? Thoughts?

Me thinks a combo of both.

Absolutely. Roids and Age, 39. Big Poppi is 30 HR shy of 500 HR********** To think he started out his career 18 years ago a skinny runt with a small head, etc. etc., at the rate he is going now, Will he get 500?

Meanwhile, the Red Sox lost 9-2 to the Oakland A's. One of their acquired "aces" over last winter, Justin Masterson, gave up 6 ER runs. His ERA is 6.37. That puts CC to shame in the stinko category. :lol: At least CC's ERA is heading in the right direction .... Down.
 

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Corey Kluber is on fire tonight

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18 Ks in 8 innings...Wow!...for a pitcher that started the season 0-5.

Even at 117 pitches Francona should have let him go out and try to break the record of 20!! So the first guy grounds or flies out then you pull him. That's bullshit!!
 

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Jorgie Posada trashes ex-teammates saying that ARoid & Clemens DO NOT belong in the Hall of Fame and ARoid cost him the MVP in 2003...really Jorgie, you really think you would have won the MVP? Hahahaha.

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18 Ks in 8 innings...Wow!...for a pitcher that started the season 0-5.

Say what? Pineda's record is 5-0. He struck out 18 in 8 innings.

Get with the program, Sharkman.
 

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Even at 117 pitches Francona should have let him go out and try to break the record of 20!! So the first guy grounds or flies out then you pull him. That's bullshit!!

And if Pineda would have injured himself you would have been the first one telling everyone how stupid Giradi is.
 

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Say what? Pineda's record is 5-0. He struck out 18 in 8 innings.

Get with the program, Sharkman.

Get your fucken facts straight, DD41!!!! As Sharkman pointed out, Pineda DIDN'T strike out 18 in 8 innings, so this has absofuckenlutely nothing to do with Pineda. :rolleyes:
 

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The Metsies got swept in Wrigley
Missing a healthy David Wright for sure...:(

Not quite there yet, but the young pitching looks promising

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