The So Called Double Standard by Women

[CLOUD 500]

I do think some niche marketing opportunities exist, and that is what small business and the internet is all about.

We just can't forget to use then.

Exactly the way they just forgot about the short and small man.

Take for instance jeans with a 35 inch waist. One of the most common waist sizes for North American men.

The racks in the big box stores have 32, 34, 36, 38. The manufacturers that supply them sell mass market jeans in those sizes.

If you are in the dressing room and the 34 is too tight and the 36 is too loose, no one at a big chain store really gives a shit.

That is so weird that they do not got any odd numbered sizes. I am actually more a 31 but I just wear size 30 but it is a bit too tight. Jeans like Levis has odd numbered waist sizes but not for inseams apparently. I am a inseam 31 again I just take 32 but it just a bit too long.

On the Internet, one can find 35 and 33 waist-size jeans by searching.

An entrepreneur might someday have an online store called odd-sized jeans.

One can find almost anything on the internet. The cost to run these stores is a lot less then having an actual physical store. There are lots of online stores specializing in short mens sizes. I just prefer to see the product in person and buy it there.

 

[EagerBeaver]

One can find almost anything on the internet. The cost to run these stores is a lot less then having an actual physical store. There are lots of online stores specializing in short mens sizes. I just prefer to see the product in person and buy it there.

Shoes in particular have to be purchased in person. If you do not like the fit or they are too small or big or hurt when you walk around in them, you have to return them, and you are already out of pocket for the shipping charge. The Catch 22 is when you are a size 7 in men's shoes there is very little inventory for you to look at unless you shop online as I already mentioned.

That being said, the last time I went shopping for shoes I saw men and women sticking their naked, un-socked footsies into some of the shoes I wanted to try on. This is gross. But this is what the short man has to deal with.

 

[Passionné]

I am actually more a 31 but I just wear size 30 but it is a bit too tight. Jeans like Levis has odd numbered waist sizes but not for inseams apparently. I am a inseam 31 again I just take 32 but it just a bit too long.

Same issues here despite not being short. I was a 31 to 32 when younger. Now I'm a 33. Years ago nearly all companies eliminated odd numbers.

Size problems are not particular to height or weight. I've tried large sizes that were too small and mediums that were too big. No, I wrote that correctly. Size standards are anything but consistent. Shoes are the same problem. I take 10 1/2 to 11 mostly and sometimes what fits are neither of those. Sometimes larger. Who knows who these manufacturers intended to fit. It seems they are more interested in selling style than a proper fit. They probably care less about the latter for profit's sake.

As for finding anything on the internet, aside from seasonal trends, that's a crap shoot too. It's astounding that with all the world to shop you cannot find what you want in many cases. And what something seems like in a photo is tough to be accurate about, especially with clothes. I've sent items back to Germany and more. Thankfully they were good about refunds, though I made sure to return things within two days of receiving without wear or damage.

Good luck

 

[CLOUD 500]

Duluth Trading Company is a good example of a company that has physical stores as well as an online presence and tries to listen to complaints about men's clothing and have their products, including underwear, designed differently. They are rapidly expanding and I am hoping they make it big. Their stock has soared and I wish I had bought some when it went public. I dislike Walmart's dominance and their indifference to customers, the old line stores like Penny's and Sears are in such terrible financial shape that I don't think they can be saved, and the trendy niche clothiers cater to teenagers and college guys.

Duluth Trading Company sells its jeans in odd numbered sizes, but doesn't do 31 waist. If you are that slim or that in shape I am starting to understand why you are not into heavier chicks.

Ahh. I never heard of Duluth. I checked their website. Shirts is where I got the biggest problem with. I checked and they seemed to completely ignored the existence of small and short men. For example I clicked on a shirt and the size starts from medium. Where is the small? And there is a big and tall version of the shirts. Where is small and short? Well not that I am slim I am small. I stopped growing at the age of 14. During my 20's I was a size 28. Once I hit 30 I started to put on weight mostly all in my abdomen. Now I am between 30 and 31. But I am partly to blame also as I never actually went to the gym to do weight lifting. I tried a few times but I found it so boring and discouraging I just ended up paying the gym membership till the end of the subscription.

For Sears I noticed that middle range stores are suffering this is to show the effects of Corporatism aka Capitalism. There has been a trend of a shrinking middle class.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Same issues here despite not being short. I was a 31 to 32 when younger. Now I'm a 33. Years ago nearly all companies eliminated odd numbers.

Seems like it was a cost cutting measure.

Size problems are not particular to height or weight. I've tried large sizes that were too small and mediums that were too big. No, I wrote that correctly. Size standards are anything but consistent. Shoes are the same problem. I take 10 1/2 to 11 mostly and sometimes what fits are neither of those. Sometimes larger. Who knows who these manufacturers intended to fit. It seems they are more interested in selling style than a proper fit. They probably care less about the latter for profit's sake.

Exactly. For shoes I am usually a 7 or 8. One time I order shoes from Brown's size 7 but they were too small. I returned them but I lost the shipping charge. This whole online shopping thing is another cost cutting measure. Businesses are taking advantage of people like this to get richer at the expense of employees and clients. Think about it the stores no longer have to have much physical stores. So they eliminated many many jobs, removed the cost of renting and operating costs of the commercial space. With pictures only it is much harder to return items and if you do the shipping is always at your cost. Trends are not to the benefit of the consumer.

As for finding anything on the internet, aside from seasonal trends, that's a crap shoot too. It's astounding that with all the world to shop you cannot find what you want in many cases. And what something seems like in a photo is tough to be accurate about, especially with clothes. I've sent items back to Germany and more. Thankfully they were good about refunds, though I made sure to return things within two days of receiving without wear or damage.

Good luck

I read horror stories of some companies not providing a refund and some just never delivering the ordered product.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Also, where the heck are you looking at dating profiles that list a certain height as a requirement? I've never seen that on any dating site..

Ohh it is in the description in the section where you have to write about yourself. Check out PlentyOffFish you will find lots of girls adding that in their descriptions.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I do see a lot of profiles on Tinder ... 'I'm 5'10'', so you need to be 6ft and over. At my height, I just swipe left' .. lol !! It's the attitude how to perceive this message. I just ignore it, swipe left and move on to the next. But YES, you can hook up easily if you're thin, built and 6' and above. Think about it ... you send 2 guys in a bar, both well dressed, cute guys and clean cut shaved etc .. . One is short and skinny and the other tall 6' and above with big hands and well built. Who do you think will turn more heads among the women ? But hey, I'm short so I shoot for the girls that are willing to listen to me and that can see my generosity. Throwing me in a crowded bar, for sure I will go home empty handed. That's the reality and my personal experience as well.

Exactly and that is fact. It is deeply routed in the society and the media. This is also my experience.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Out of curiosity, how many of you would date a women who was decently taller than you?

I love taller women I find them so sexy but I usually just avoid them. Even in stripclubs I avoid them. Why you may ask in a stripclub because many booths at the clubs are not built for tall women. I was at L'Axe and took a tall girl I could not receive a nice grind as her legs were just too long for the booths. It was hard for her and sitting was hard. Unless it is a club with large open booths shorter smaller girl is way better.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Capitalism is working just fine, just not at JC Penny's.

If and when Sears and Penny's go bankrupt, the politicians and nightly news anchors will solemnly say "A part of America died today", and will never know or tell of my gift wrapping experience.

A lot of Canadian retailers are struggling. Many shut down. Names that did were Danier, Mexx, Smart Set, Jacob. Many retailers are struggling Reitmans closed down many stores, Le Chateau is also on a major downsizing, the Gap is struggling, American Apparel filed Chapter 11 they had not made a profit in five years. These are all mid-range retailers. Low ends one liks H&M and Old Navy are prospering and the same for high end ones like Harry Rosen and Nordstrom.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Dude, you got to be kidding. Clothing is made so it can be sold for a profit. Having dabbled in the textile industry I know that clothing is made off-shore to take advantage of the cheapest labor.

The bottom line is that clothing is made and sold to make a profit. Not to make tall men look good at the expense of short guys that can't get a date. It is about the almighty dollar...or yen or rubble. They want to sell every unit made.

Here is a great article explaining why things are the way they are-> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/02/17/short-men-in-fashion_n_9256418.html

It is as I said the men just accept to wear ill fitting clothes. It is the stigma of gender roles. We are men she should just suck it up. Well not me. I want what I want it has to be right and want the same respect also. And some entrepreneurs have caught on and started opening stores for the small and short men and from what I have seen these stores are profitable. Some notable names are Ash&Anvil and Peter Manning. Unfortunately for now the selection is a bit limited but a step in the positive direction. For the first time in so many years I am able to buy a shirt that fits me right and makes me look like a million bucks vs the small boy in clothes that are too big for him. I never wore shirts till now.

 

[BookerL]

A lot of Canadian retailers are struggling. Many shut down. Names that did were Danier, Mexx, Smart Set, Jacob. Many retailers are struggling Reitmans closed down many stores, Le Chateau is also on a major downsizing, the Gap is struggling, American Apparel filed Chapter 11 they had not made a profit in five years.

Hello CLOUD 500


Are you attributing their struggling on the fact that they do not have smaller sizes ?And if they would, their business would be flourishing ?
Which is a part of the topic of this thread, smaller men are neglected ?



Cheers




Booker

 

[CLOUD 500]

Hello CLOUD 500
Are you attributing their struggling on the fact that they do not have smaller sizes ?And if they would, their business would be flourishing ?
Which is a part of the topic of this thread, smaller men are neglected ?

Nah. This was kind of off topic. A poster mentioned Sears and Pennys at how they are struggling. If you read my post correctly I was attributing their perils due to a shrinking middle class. But this has nothing to do with smaller short sizes.

 

[BookerL]

Nah. This was kind of off topic. A poster mentioned Sears and Pennys at how they are struggling. If you read my post correctly I was attributing their perils due to a shrinking middle class. But this has nothing to do with smaller short sizes.

Hello CLOUD 500


So it is a quote of struggling without purpose to your topic ?OK
And if they would of have clothing for smaller men ,they still would be in peril because of the shrinking middle class ?
I see !




Cheers




Booker

 

[EagerBeaver]

BookerL,

I think the point that Cloud500 was making is that the short man gets squeezed by the struggling retailer who cuts off the short man's inventory of clothes/shoes before everyone else's. In other words the struggling retailers make panicked, short sighted and discriminatory decisions on inventory.

 

[BookerL]

BookerL,

I think the point that Cloud500 was making is that the short man gets squeezed by the struggling retailer who cuts off the short man's inventory of clothes/shoes before everyone else's. In other words the struggling retailers make panicked, short sighted and discriminatory decisions on inventory.

Hello EB

I do get the point ,however the question remains would it offset
The struggling by servicing the 33% of short males or their is more important issues that explains the drop in profits of those struggling businesses?
A examples Future Shop closed over 100 stores this year they are not even in clothing ,Target closed all there Canadian stores
And they where aiming at middle to low salary clients
Would it be possible that their is a shift in consumer habits in shopping trends?

Isn't also true that all businesses can court any part of the demography they which to serve ?

In my case I do have the reverse problem I fit xxtra tall ,I do understand the frustrations of not being in the average size .


Cheers

Booker

 

[CLOUD 500]

BookerL,

Your posts as usual are irrelevant. Having said that I already told you that post was in relation to what another Merbite posted which was irrelevant to this subject of this thread. I do not think those stores that are not catering to shorter and smaller mens sizes would have made any difference. If they are failing by serving the other 60% of the male population then that 30% is unlikely to change their faith. A lot of those stores that closed shop are womens clothing stores so really the short sizes are quiet irrelevant in the context of your query. I believe those shops are failing due to a shrinking middle class and also the newer shoppers have changed the way they shop... Many are shopping online now vs going into the store. Le Chateau for example has suffered several years of net profit loss... They borrowed a large sum of money from the founder of Le Chateau... They are downsized considerably by shutting down many stores and focusing more on online stores... Although they still recorded a net loss this year their online sales have actually increased significantly. If retail stores are to survive they need to adapt to the changing market and yes catering to small short men would make a difference.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I think the point that Cloud500 was making is that the short man gets squeezed by the struggling retailer who cuts off the short man's inventory of clothes/shoes before everyone else's. In other words the struggling retailers make panicked, short sighted and discriminatory decisions on inventory.

Well my point was more the double standard. We got for womens petite, regular, and plus sizes. For men there are only regular or big and tall sizes but are missing the small and short sizes. Why all other specialty sizes are given consideration except the small short man. Is that not height discrimination? How many men are really over 6'2" the percentage is somewhere below 5% yet every mens stores carries a big and tall section and is quiet varied. As for retailers their failure is due to many other factors.

 

[EagerBeaver]

For sure the petite 5'1" woman has more choices available than the 5'6" man, in clothes and shoes. It isn't really fair, but it's the way it is.

 

[BookerL]

Hello CLOUD 500 and all

This thread actually started Double Standard by Women
and complaints about

if you go out shopping no clothes for men are every made for a man less then 5'10"

Which aren't really relevant issues ,since the reasons are not the same, why short men would be forgotten by women for dating and clothing lines by businesses, if so

BookerL,

Your posts as usual are irrelevant.

Oh why did you take time to answer?

Having said that I already told you that post was in relation to what another Merbite posted which was irrelevant to this subject of this thread. I do not think those stores that are not catering to shorter and smaller mens sizes would have made any difference. If they are failing by serving the other 60% of the male population then that 30% is unlikely to change their faith. A lot of those stores that closed shop are womens clothing stores so really the short sizes are quiet irrelevant in the context of your query. I believe those shops are failing due to a shrinking middle class and also the newer shoppers have changed the way they shop...

Would it be possible that their is a shift in consumer habits in shopping trends?

You seemed to be agreeing with what I have already said

Many are shopping online now vs going into the store. Le Chateau for example has suffered several years of net profit loss... They borrowed a large sum of money from the founder of Le Chateau... They are downsized considerably by shutting down many stores and focusing more on online stores... Although they still recorded a net loss this year their online sales have actually increased significantly.

Now really CLOUD 500 you really have to make a choice will it make a difference or not

If retail stores are to survive they need to adapt to the changing market and yes catering to small short men would make a difference.

In the same post a total contradiction

I do not think those stores that are not catering to shorter and smaller mens sizes would have made any difference

While some retailers and manufacturer are failing others are expanding
http://business.financialpost.com/n...ada-led-to-the-downfall-of-danier-leather-inc

turned into a Canadian fashion staple by Canada Goose more than five years ago and on the rise ever since as other brands bulked up their stock of down or polyester-blend-filled winter parkas.

http://business.financialpost.com/n...-winnipeg-factory-as-it-eyes-global-expansion

Not only you need the right size ,but the right product

It still is fun to read you !Please keep at it !





Cheers





Booker

 

[blkone]

Do not have this problem, not short...

But then again, men have double standards too... come on, get real.