Transgender who advertise as female escorts... right or wrong?

[Halloween Mike]

I learned not too long ago that a certain rather known "female" pornstar (she shot for pegas and ad4x) who also advertise as a fully female escort is actually a post op transgender...

I can't post links or the "proofs" as it show her(his?) real name and its against the rules of here, but my question is this, how do you see this? Now don't get me wrong, male escorts for male, or shemale for male and all sorts of mixtures have all the rights to advertise themselves as sex providers. But i think its important to be honest on the real sex you are. Yes we are talking about post op so there is no sausage in the pants, but i think thats even more"deceiving". Clients have the rights to know such a thing.

 

[cloudsurf]

I think its false advertising and is totally wrong.
In my opinion most guys can`t tell the difference between a man made and a natural vagina.
There was a popular agency girl , later an Indy, who came over from Europe, and who I suspected of being transgender. Many guys reviewed her (mostly positive) here on Merb and on the blue board.
Me I didn`t review her.....even though I couldn`t be 1000% certain.....I was left traumatized.

 

[clark_larson]

Haha are you talking about the italian girl?

 

[cloudsurf]

I won`t give any more details, but in her 6 page thread only post 84 talked about his suspicions that she had a man-made pussy.

BTW when I questioned her about her unnatural pussy she told me that she had reconstructive surgery after having a large cyst removed. I was going to ask her if the cyst was called a penis....... but decided against it and just ended the session .

 

[clark_larson]

Wow that's crazy.

 

[Passionné]

But i think its important to be honest on the real sex you are. Yes we are talking about post op so there is no sausage in the pants, but i think thats even more"deceiving". Clients have the rights to know such a thing.

So here's a question for you and the others. In this society the usual "macho male" definition of being a man is very closely linked most commonly of all qualities to the size of "his" dick. Now here's a person without a penis at all. Do we men still say that's a real man????????? I mean I understand the discomfort people have with transgenders defining themselves as women, but is that what worries us more or that we could not tell the difference if we met this person? If you had a good time is it that it bothers you after the sex that you had fun but now that you know you feel like ISSSHHHH!!!? Yes, if it happened to me I'd be pretty uncomfortable. Still I don't really see why that's the problem of the transgender person aside from not letting everyone know up front.

I agree clients should be informed, but I don't think any of us would accept this person is still a man given the anatomy and the strongly common typical definitions of being a (cue deep deep throated male voice) REAL MAN! HUUUUAAAAAA! I do think "she", as you guys easily refer to her so far, should use an information acronym such as TFW (Transgender Full Woman). But still a man? Not by a long shot. None of our inner macho man ideals would ever accept that.

Cheers

 

[Halloween Mike]

Well i think it does farther than the size of the dick. I mean, if i get tatooed on 99.5% of my body with black ink, it won't make me a black person... No matter how much operation the person had, if it "look" like the real thing and/or the face look more female than male, inside there is no female reproductive organs... That vagina won't bleed.... lol. I know its touchy cause as guys we accept(well most of us) breast that are man made as perfectly fine. I won't lie, as much as i love beautifull Cs or Ds natural breast, i am all fine with a stripper style double Ds man made. But when its a whole sex change? Not so much.

If you had a good time is it that it bothers you after the sex that you had fun but now that you know you feel like ISSSHHHH!!!?

Thing is, if you where in perfect darkness or with your eyes covered, and you would receive blowjob by a very talented gay man, you would probably not even notice it and enjoy it. Yet with a visual you would loose your boner imediately and never allow that. (if you are hetero of course)

So no matter if its psychological or whatever, it has its importance.

Just as in life ex criminal have to disclose they been arrested before when getting a job etc, even if they are honest for years and paid there debt to society. I feel its the same here, they need to be honest.

 

[Passionné]

Thing is, if you where in perfect darkness or with your eyes covered, and you would receive blowjob by a very talented gay man, you would probably not even notice it and enjoy it. Yet with a visual you would loose your boner imediately and never allow that. (if you are hetero of course)

HM...now THAT"S an EXCELLENT point. Also very IIISSSH!!!

However, I came across a video of a pornstar named Kimber James. I had never seen any other video of her. She looked like the typical fake boobs blonde we are all used to from porn and I couldn't see any signs she had ever been anything else. Then I discovered other videos by clicking on her name hyper-link she had a penis at one time. It was a bit unnerving. You're right. We should be informed. But I have a lot of trouble defining her as a man as she is now.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

I would like to see it in their ad, gray area for me, probably would not go, just my opinion.

 

[PopeDover]

Clients have the rights to know such a thing.

Hi Mike. Clients should only have the right to blacklist; anything beyond that would be doom for this market. It's up to the provider to advertise any way they desire. They're the ones that will pay the consequences... or benefit from them. Of course it's understandable that some guys would feel mislead and be upset about it, just as some of us get upset when a 100% natural female has a non-feminine personality or even worse a transparently phony one. But who's to say other guys don't like that? Regarding the voluntary actions of others, we cant as individuals say what's right and wrong as a whole because we simply don't know. When you make that phone call you're always taking a chance one way or another. If potential transgenderism is a big issue then maybe the question should always be raised up front before an agreement is reached.

My opinion is, if I can be 'fooled' then good for her, and if i have a good enough time to repeat then good for me, and if I found out the truth at some point then good for all my amused friends when I tell them the story.

 

[Meatonastick]

Simple... if you have to hide the facts then that says something.
Clearly as a client it a case of bait and switch. Because that information would cause most to reconsider.
Ironically she/he had the operation because they needed to be true to themselves yet willl spend a lifetime lying to others...

 

[Halloween Mike]

Well good for you Popedover if you take it that well lol. Personally i think it would be awkward to have the person naked, notice something and be like "are you really a man that was operated?" and then lets say the person is honest and say yes... what happen next? You get a refund? I doubt it. No really thats a very big lie, thats like Bait and Switch x 100 ... difference is B&S you can see it right at the door.

Of course nothing is perfect in this business, there is B&S, there is false services advertising, and some even worse stuff. BUT in a "it should" way, i think this should really be say first hand. Thats a major deal for some people. I mean even if your not homophobe, does not mean cause you think its perrfectly fine for others that you want to end up having sex with a man... lol, even if he look like a woman.

 

[cloudsurf]

PD , I don`t know if you saw her because your name is not in the review thread.
If you did see her then your reaction to her would probably be like 95% of the guys who reviewed her....very positive.
One infamous guy from the blue board wrote a positive review , and when he found out a year or 2 later that she possibly was trans......he wrote a blistering fake review that was filled with aggression and implied physical harm . She disappeared from the Montreal scene a few weeks later.

 

[Passionné]

Okay. I've got a question. Which offends you more??? Is it the woman who gave you an exciting time that got you off well but didn't inform you she's transgender, or is it the woman born a woman who gave you a great exciting time but didn't inform you she's a awful slut who participates in high risk sex without protection and uses high risk drugs in real life??? In my opinion if you say the second is your preference you have a priorities issue, and a mental block that isn't sensible.

How many of you are asking questions of the "natural" ladies you meet about their possible risky activities or lifestyle. I also would have a BIG ISH moment if I found out the woman I had had great sex with hadn't always been a woman but you can't be harmed physically by a gender change. And if you did have a great time with a transgender female who looks like, acts like, tastes like, and give every perception that any woman could is it really like you only closed your eyes let let a man give you a hummer while imagining he was a woman?

We're all clients here who care about what we are getting and that's the way it is. But how many of you feel obligated to tell all the escorts we meet you're markedly fat, have rotten teeth, are over 60, have some kind of bad skin condition, tend to sleep around with random women you have no idea about how they take care of themselves, enjoy risky sex options...bring all that baggage while expecting each escort to be GFE or PSE or you'll shoot her down in a review? Do your escorts get that information before you meet??? Or is she stuck with it on your arrival?

I think it goes too far to call it bait and switch just because she used to be a he. All the agencies say their ladies are totally healthy and Independents too. Really? You just accept that 100% or is it easier not to question. Isn't it "bait and switch" if that's not true? YES, I do understand the ISH difference we he-men are sensitive about.

Cheers

PS

I'll add the first time I saw the post-op Kimber James video never having known she had been anything but a woman I found her exciting like Cloudsurf did at first in a real meeting. When I saw the video of pre-op KJ with a penis I was totally turned off. And yet, seeing the first video again after knowing didn't seem too much different than the first time I saw it. Two different people to me.

 

[Rod Blagojevich]

That is like feeding a Jewish or Muslim guy pork and telling him later. Unethical.

 

[ssj3]

I won`t give any more details, but in her 6 page thread only post 84 talked about his suspicions that she had a man-made pussy.

BTW when I questioned her about her unnatural pussy she told me that she had reconstructive surgery after having a large cyst removed. I was going to ask her if the cyst was called a penis ....... but decided against it and just ended the session .

I LOLed when I read that haha

 

[hungry101]

The most time I have ever spent with an escort has not been more than a couple of hours. I long for the day when you can vacation in places like the one depicted in WestWorld and I can nail fembots. I would prefer that the SPs are honest with us but in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't make a difference. If I can't tell after giving her a 60 minute once over than it really doesn't matter. I would be more concerned about being with an a SP who is lying about her age and is not an adult which could get me arrested. I would be more worried about being with an SP who has an incurable sexual disease but works anyway. I would be more concerned about my favorite escort being an intravenous drug user. If a SP has 6 pages of good reviews and there is one review - post 84 - says she may have been a he than it probably doesn't matter. I'm sorry but this is much ado about nothing.

Would you rather be with a inked up pierced SP that is 100 lbs over weight or the Italian girl with 6 pages of good reviews?

 

[jonathankeeves]

I won`t give any more details, but in her 6 page thread only post 84 talked about his suspicions that she had a man-made pussy.

BTW when I questioned her about her unnatural pussy she told me that she had reconstructive surgery after having a large cyst removed. I was going to ask her if the cyst was called a penis....... but decided against it and just ended the session .

I know which SP you are talking about and I felt the same (similar to the review posted) the last time that I met her . I was a newbie then and couldn't realize initially. Having said that, her service was top notch.

 

[cloudsurf]

Yes Naomi misled is the key word here.
I prefer a natural self lubricating pussy and a clit that looks like a clit, and not a fake clit that looks like a glued on button.
That is a personal opinion and not a personal problem.

 

[jalimon]

Yes Naomi misled is the key word here.
I prefer a natural self lubricating pussy and a clit that looks like a clit, and not a fake clit that looks like a glued on button.
That is a personal opinion and not a personal problem.

I agree completely. I have written here many times my love of woman. How I think they should lead every country in the world because men have done enough damage. How I despise every religion because every religion treats woman like shit. But I am just not ready to have sex with a woman who used to be a men. Some will call it a personnal problem, ok I can assume I have that personnal problem.

I agree with their choice to change sex. But here I want to be told. That's it. Do not misled me.

Cheers,