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    Thumbs down Meeting Stripper Lover: The Wise Realist vs. the Naive Idealist

    Alright, I am back after a great dinner with my favorite lady - my wife. A nice bottle of red wine always helps me clear my thoughts.

    I contacted SL several times this week and I decided if there will be one hobbyiest that I will meet, it will be him. Why? Because he is extremely straightforward and has nothing to gain by bullshitting me or any other member on the board. We spoke over the phone but my work schedule is hectic so today after posting on Merb I decided to give him a call in the late afternoon.

    We met at a coffee shop and we started talking about the hobby. SL looks fifteen to ten years younger than I pictured him - it must be true that lots of sex keeps a man young and virile! I wish I had a microphone or a note pad to take down the more important points. He can speak at 100 miles per hour and I found it refreshing to soak it all up. He is definetely very street smart and did not hide the fact that he is a born cynic. More on that later.

    We did not get into personal issues. Actually, I did divulge something personal to him but he already knew it, which confirmed my suspiscions that some people cannot keep their mouths shut. It amazes me how people love to gossip. Who gives a crap about my personal issues? If an SP ever divulged something very personal to me about another client, I would blast her. It is none of my business what someone told you in a private session, especially if it is personal. Also, it is none of any other client's business what an SP told me in private.

    Anyways, the conversation took many turns but the major topic was on how some hobbyiests fail to recognize that this hobby is pure fantasy. SL strongly abhors the pretentiousness of some hobbyiests that feel they are more special than others. "The brutal truth is that we are all 'Johns'; we are all equal." "Once you cross that line you cannot share something special with an SP because you are paying to be with her." It makes me sick when I read people posting stuff like "I am special to her"...."They are delusional." "Again, once you cross the line and pay for sex, they never see you as anything but a client." "They will never share their personal lives with you - NEVER." "You might think you're special but you really aren't."

    Now, as he spoke I was trying to pretend that it didn't bother me but the truth is that it did. It is like he was ripping my romantic world apart and I couldn't really do anything about it. I kept looking in his eyes to see if they are shifting and trying to study his body language for signs of a lying scumbag. But the truth is that he was extremely convincing. Maybe he is a master bullshitter - or at least that was what I wanted to believe - but he wasn't. SL has spent countless hours with these ladies when they are not working. He has seen their true colors so he knows what they're really thinking.

    I was so engaged in the conversation that at one point, I waited until the last possible second before I thought my bladder was going to explode. I got back to the seat and we both noticed this hot brunette sitting behind us. "Now you see her - I would pay to fuck her", as she was coming towards us to leave (I am sure she heard him). She smiled as he helped her with some napkin that was falling off her tray. I was thinking this guy is so smooth - he'll eat Trump for breakfast.

    At one point, I told him that many people think he is extremely arrogant. I said "You and Olie are so cynical and you generalize way too much" "It simply isn't true that some people cannot share a special connection with an SP." I added forcefully:"Nobody in this hobby has a monopoly on wisdom - not you, not Celine, not me, nobody" "I personally know of SPs that married their clients. Not many but I know it can happen"

    He finally conceded somewhat: "Alright, maybe there is a 1% that does develop a special connection but 99% of the time they are playing you so why even mention that 1%." "Don't kid yourself, there are so many gullible guys out there that really think they are special." "It simply isn't true." "At the end of the day, nobody is more special than the other guy" "You see those guys working behind that counter, they can save up $160 or $180 dollars and visit the same SP you did....what makes you so special?"

    True but the fact is that not all of us are made the same. Some of us, including SL, have an affinity to make women comfortable to talk with us. In other words, just because you can afford to see the same SP that I did, it doesn't guarantee you that you'll enjoy the same experience that I did on all levels. Some guys are easier to talk to; some guys have bigger pricks; some guys are better lovers; etc. But SL's point is that no matter what, once you cross the line and pay for sex, you can never go back. You'll always be a 'John', nothing more than a client and not someone special.

    We were talking for three hours. Time flew by so fast because I was enjoying the conversation. My wife called me twice so I needed to wrap it up.

    As we departed, I asked him: "If it is all pure fantasy and we are nothing but 'Johns', why bother doing it?" He replied: "Because we need the warmth of a woman...we need a woman's perspective on things."

    Very well put.

    SL, thanks for meeting this young idealistic general and injecting a healthy dose of realism in me. Maybe we can become friends in the long run. But even if we remain acquaintances, at least we know that we will tell each other exactly what is on our minds. We both share some common characteristics: we do not tolerate bullshit and more importantly we care for the well-being of the ladies that work in this hobby.

    GG

    P.S. We both agreed that numerical ratings are worthless. As he aptly remarked: "You can have an SP that is no better than a 3 but if she blows him well, all of a sudden she becomes a 5!"
    Last edited by General Gonad; 04-30-2006 at 01:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaempferrand
    Talk about taking BFE to a whole new level.
    Yeah, maybe I should have titled it: "Falling in Love with Stripper Lover."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaempferrand
    Yes you have found a true fuck buddy!

    Silly faggot, dicks are for chics.
    Don't worry, we both got some pussy tonight except SL paid for it. I got mine for free (after an expensive dinner) and I KNOW she thinks I am special. Or at least that's what she tells me.

    GG

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    Carpe Diem!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaempferrand
    Well you are only GG once so live it up....

    Yet looking at life it is one thing to be horny, it is bad to be bitter but when these two go hand in hand together... not a good combination. Just make sure you don't fall into that category. Seen too many of those personally first hand.
    At times I am horny, at times I am bitter but not both at the same time...not a good mixture. Let's just say SL shook me in a positive way but I still prefer to think that I can share something more than sex in those two hour encounters. It doesn't make me more special...just more sensitive.

    I can't buy love or friendship but I can share my soul regardless of whether or not they care.

    GG
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    Quote Originally Posted by General Gonad
    I was so engaged in the conversation that at one point, I waited until the last possible second before I thought my bladder was going to explode.
    Hah, I can't help but remember the time I met, actually, the time SL accosted me at Cleo's. He tried to break my hand when he shook it. When he dropped me off at my old apartment, I remember him talking my head off for 15 minutes, when I had to really take a dump, so GG, I commiserate with you. He can certainly talk your head off on his first hand knowledge of the industry, but I find him to be slightly more curmudgeonly than Beavis.
    Guess that dinner table at Zesto's that night? Me, SL, LCS(EGB, Tony), and Special K, what a night indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Board Stiff
    He can certainly talk your head off on his first hand knowledge of the industry, but I find him to be slightly more curmudgeonly than Beavis.
    Guess that dinner table at Zesto's that night? Me, SL, LCS(EGB, Tony), and Special K, what a night indeed.
    BS,

    Here is the definition I found for "curmudgeonly":

    Adj. 1. curmudgeonly - brusque and surly and forbidding; "crusty remarks"; "a crusty old man"; "his curmudgeonly temper"; "gruff manner"; "a gruff reply.

    I guess you can see SL like this but he is not unbearable unless he doesn't get laid. I just see him as a hopeless cynic like I see others as hopeless romantics. We are all different that's what makes this world beautiful.

    So Zesto's last night.....SK and Tony were there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Gonad
    Alright, I am back after a great dinner with my favorite lady - my wife. A nice bottle of red wine always helps me clear my thoughts.

    I contacted SL several times this week and I decided if there will be one hobbyiest that I will meet, it will be him. Why? Because he is extremely straightforward and has nothing to gain by bullshitting me or any other member on the board. We spoke over the phone but my work schedule is hectic so today after posting on Merb I decided to give him a call in the late afternoon.

    Anyways, the conversation took many turns but the major topic was on how some hobbyiests fail to recognize that this hobby is pure fantasy. SL strongly abhors the pretentiousness of some hobbyiests that feel they are more special than others. "The brutal truth is that we are all 'Johns'; we are all equal." "Once you cross that line you cannot share something special with an SP because you are paying to be with her." It makes me sick when I read people posting stuff like "I am special to her"...."They are delusional." "Again, once you cross the line and pay for sex, they never see you as anything but a client." "They will never share their personal lives with you - NEVER." "You might think you're special but you really aren't."

    At one point, I told him that many people think he is extremely arrogant. I said "You and Olie are so cynical and you generalize way too much" "It simply isn't true that some people cannot share a special connection with an SP." I added forcefully:"Nobody in this hobby has a monopoly on wisdom - not you, not Celine, not me, nobody" "I personally know of SPs that married their clients. Not many but I know it can happen"

    As we departed, I asked him: "If it is all pure fantasy and we are nothing but 'Johns', why bother doing it?" He replied: "Because we need the warmth of a woman...we need a woman's perspective on things."

    Very well put.

    SL, thanks for meeting this young idealistic general and injecting a healthy dose of realism in me. Maybe we can become friends in the long run. But even if we remain acquaintances, at least we know that we will tell each other exactly what is on our minds. We both share some common characteristics: we do not tolerate bullshit and more importantly we care for the well-being of the ladies that work in this hobby.

    GG

    P.S. We both agreed that numerical ratings are worthless. As he aptly remarked: "You can have an SP that is no better than a 3 but if she blows him well, all of a sudden she becomes a 5!"
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    Wondering if SL, Olie, & EGB are going to Share their Views ?

    (No numerical ratings.......)
    Thanks !

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    Ollie- I would pay to see tony try to tell you to "grow up" to your face in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SL saying to GG
    "Alright, maybe there is a 1% that does develop a special connection but 99% of the time they are playing you so why even mention that 1%." "Don't kid yourself, there are so many gullible guys out there that really think they are special." "It simply isn't true." "At the end of the day, nobody is more special than the other guy" "You see those guys working behind that counter, they can save up $160 or $180 dollars and visit the same SP you did....what makes you so special?"
    I don't know if it's because I'm just too hooked on little details, and maybe too obsessed on correctness. But when someone insists something is absolutely impossible and then admits a 1% possibility... It really get's to me. 1% of 1000 guys is 10 guys !

    Don't get me wrong here. I don't think SP are in love with me. Although not impossible I know the chances are very slim of that happening. But I know that some of the women I meet are genuinely happy to see me. I've even had one spend 8 hrs with me instead of the 2 hrs originally agreed on, and paid for.

    Quote Originally Posted by GG
    SL has spent countless hours with these ladies when they are not working.
    SL himself must be special to some of these ladies. I don't see them spending countless, off work, hours with everyone of thier clients. I know these countless hours were not spent in bed, but non the less, I don't see why they would spend off work time with him if they thought he was just another 'john'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by General Gonad
    At times I am horny, at times I am bitter but not both at the same time...not a good mixture. Let's just say SL shook me in a positive way but I still prefer to think that I can share something more than sex in those two hour encounters. It doesn't make me more special...just more sensitive.

    I can't buy love or friendship but I can share my soul regardless of whether or not they care.

    GG
    Good for you GG. Continue on being a nice guy and keep your convictions that your not wasting your time being good company to these women. I know I will !

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    The inherent asymmetries in an encounter...

    This thread needs to be cleaned up right after my post...anyways...

    I was thinking about something else that SL told me. He told me that SPs are trained to size you up in the first five seconds of the encounter. They will say pretty much anything you want to hear. They are there to provide a fantasy for you, plain and simple. It's business, nothing personal.

    I was thinking about the inherent asymmetries in the interaction if this is the case. You, Mr. Client, might think you yield the power because you're the one paying for service but the reality is that the scales are tipped in the SP's favor. She controls your mind without you being fully aware of it. It is asymmetrical because if you're opening up and she isn't - or worse she is just lying to make you feel better - then you are emotionally exposed.

    It is this vulnerability that some SPs shamelessly exploit. SL was adament that you might think you know what they're feeling but you really don't. "You can only speak for how you feel, not how they feel." "You have no idea about what they're thinking and no right to assume that you know."

    GG

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Gonad

    It is this vulnerability that some SPs shamelessly exploit. SL was adament that you might think you know what they're feeling but you really don't. "You can only speak for how you feel, not how they feel." "You have no idea about what they're thinking and no right to assume that you know."

    GG
    GG,

    An SP will never be able to manipulate or exploit me, the reverse is true in their regards.

    This is because I have strict ROE (rules of engagement) :

    1. have fun with no strings attached
    2. don't talk about your personal issues with SP's
    3. do not repeat
    4. do not try to see an SP on the sideline
    Last but not least
    5. do not get involved emotionally
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    Quote Originally Posted by CryWolf
    This is because I have strict ROE (rules of engagement) :

    1. have fun with no strings attached
    2. don't talk about your personal issues with SP's
    3. do not repeat
    4. do not try to see an SP on the sideline
    Last but not least
    5. do not get involved emotionally
    These rules of engagement are (or should be) as fundamental as looking for a fastball on a 3-0 count in baseball, yet they are strangely elusive concepts to many hobbyists, producing many of the bizarre posts that we have seen on this Board. When hobbying is not hobbying but is used as a substitute for something else, that's when the rules start getting violated and the problems begin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    These rules of engagement are (or should be) as fundamental as looking for a fastball on a 3-0 count in baseball, yet they are strangely elusive concepts to many hobbyists, producing many of the bizarre posts that we have seen on this Board. When hobbying is not hobbying but is used as a substitute for something else, that's when the rules start getting violated and the problems begin.
    Well put, EB.

    When the problems begin, your pathetic life goes downward from there ...
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    Daringly,

    I agree, the "no repeat" rule is the one CW rule of engagement that I have violated, but I have my own rules of engagement, one of which is that I never repeat more than once per trip, meaning I always see a new SP every trip.

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