2014 Official NFL Thread

[Doc Holliday]

What's funny is that cheatriot fans are red socks fans,,,, make sense, boyyzzzz? :nod:

Don't be too hard on them, my friend. Just remember that they've been used to living within a culture of cheating for over a decade. This is the kind of stuff you grow accustomed to. It's not entirely their fault. They've likely become insensitive to their teams bending or trying to circumvent the rules....okay, cheating. So as long as its their local sports teams doing it, it should be okay. They don't believe the rules also apply to them.

 

[Merlot]

BOYZ!

Honor vindicated :lol: :noidea:

Best Regards

Smuler

GUARANTEED! You even copied me well to get the spelling right. Awesome.

Bull. The NFL investigator has text messages from Brady to the equipment person.

Remember how you misrepresented the beer throwing video and didn't even notice it was at Yankee Stadium. Well, dead wrong again DD. There were no text messages from Brady at all that I have seen, and none have been posted.

Let's deal with this episode truthfully and honestly if you guys can tolerate that with out the preordained blood thirsty need to see only one side. Yes, the indications do show something going on. There are the texts between the two ball handlers and mentions of needles. If you take one point of view you could honestly give an opinion that you believe there was cheating. The references are suspicious and if taken in a certain context where one tries to fit the circumstances into a "cheating" scenario it can work.

What we do know are four basic things:

1. Air pressure was lower than the rules allow in nearly every ball in the Colts game before halftime.

2. Brady has made no secret he wants the balls set firmly at the lower set rules limit of 12.5.

3. One ball handler was seen with the balls in a bathroom stall for 90 to 100 seconds.

4. Text messages between the ball handlers indicate a clear relation to the first three givens.

Here's the problem. Nothing in the messages says the handlers were told to set the ball pressure under the rules limit. The ball handlers in fact make several very specific references to hating Brady and doing exactly the opposite of what he wanted up to 16.0 psi a good 2.5 psi above the upper rules limit. They mention deliberately trying to stick to Brady in an early Jets game. We also know that at the AFC Championship game against the Colts the balls were under the rules pis limit and the pressure varied widely on all of them. Taken together we have ball handlers who want to stick it to Brady who wants a very specific pressure (not against the rules) but the handlers refuse to cooperate and either grossly over-inflate or under-inflate very sloppily in each situation beyond what Brady has demanded.

So an alternate equally realistic scenario is two guys exceeded a directive within the rules to screw things up or at least were extremely sloppy with the directive. Brady's later calls could easily have been no more than a very heated reaction to very bad handling of his instruction creating and very messy episode or finding out these guys were deliberately trying to screw him over.

If anyone is man enough to be honest about all of this then either view is equally plausible. Either way you have to be willing to push your view in either direction because each view could never be conclusively determined without further testimony as it stands at the moment.

Cheers buds,

Merlot

 

[daydreamer41]

BOYZ!

Remember how you misrepresented the beer throwing video and didn't even notice it was at Yankee Stadium. Well, dead wrong again DD. There were no text messages from Brady at all that I have seen, and none have been posted.

Merlot

Where do you live Merlot? In a cave along around I-91?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/suspicious-texts-between-tom-brady-151219208.html

January 19, the day after the AFC title game: They talk on the phone four times for a total of 25 minutes and exchange 12 texts. It's their first phone communication in six months.

According to the report, Jastremski read a ProFootballTalk article about the deflated football scandal at 7:04 a.m. on the day after the game. Twenty minutes later, at 7:25 a.m., he texted Brady asking him to call him:


brady jastremski texts
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Brady calls him a minute later, and they talk for 13 minutes. Jastremski initially told NFL Security that they didn't talk about the deflated balls, but later told Wells that they did.

9:51 a.m.: Brady texts Jastremski checking up on him. Jastremski says he's "still nervous":

Brady (9:51 a.m.): You good Jonny boy?

Jastremski (9:53 a.m.): Still nervous; so far so good though. I'll be alright

Brady (9:54 a.m.): You didn't do anything wrong bud.

Jastremski (9:55 a.m.): I know; I'll be all good

Brady told investigators he was just supporting Jastremski because he knew Jastremski was responsible for the condition of the balls. Jastremski told investigators he was joking when he said he was "nervous."

10:54 a.m.: Jastremski texts Brady giving him a heads up that head equipment manager David Schoenfeld was going to interview him:

Jastremski (10:54 a.m.): FYI...Dave will be picking your brain later about it. He's not accusing me, or anyone...trying to get to bottom of it. He knows it's unrealistic you did it yourself...

Jastremski (10:55 a.m.): Just a heads up

Brady (10:59 a.m.): No worries bud. We are all good

Jastremski told investigators that the "it's unrealistic you did it yourself" text was a joke.

2:30 p.m.: Brady texts Jastremski asking him to come up to the quarterback room, which is basically Brady's office:

Brady (2:38 p.m.): Jj are you here?

Jastremski (2:38 p.m.): Yup

Brady (2:38 p.m.): Come to qb room

Brady says they discussed ball preparation for the Super Bowl. Jastremski has worked for the team for 20 years and Brady had never called him into his office.

5:21 p.m.: Brady tells Jastremski to call him.


brady jastremski text 2
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They talk for 12 minutes, again telling investigators they were talking about Super Bowl balls.

January 20: They talk on the phone twice for nearly 10 minutes and exchange two texts.

7:24 a.m.: Jastremski tells Brady to call him.


brady jastremski 3
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They talk for about six minutes. Again Jastremski says they discussed Super Bowl balls, not the deflated ball scandal.

5:31 p.m.: Brady checks in:


brady jastremski you doing good
(NFL)
They talk on the phone for three minutes. From the report:

"Jastremski said that he did not understand Brady's text message to be a reference to the NFL's investigation of the circumstances surrounding the AFC Championship Game, even though Jastremski had been interviewed by NFL Security that afternoon. Instead, Jastremski said that he understood Brady to be checking in because Brady knew that 'it's a pain in the butt' to prepare over fifty footballs for the Super Bowl."

January 21: They talk twice on the phone and exchange one text.

7:27 a.m.: Brady texts him asking to call.


brady jastremski bud
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They talk for 13 minutes. Brady says they talked about Super Bowl balls. Jastremski says they talked about Super Bowl balls and his wedding.

11:45 a.m.: They talk on the phone for seven minutes.

It's important to note that there isn't a full electronic paper trail on Brady because he wouldn't give investigators access to his phone, which investigators say "potentially limited the discovery of relevant evidence and was not helpful to the investigation."

Is this (combined with other evidence suggesting Brady was vigilant about ball inflation levels) enough to conclude Brady was probably "generally aware" of the likely plot?

Brady's camp certainly doesn't think so. Brady "denied any knowledge of or involvement in any efforts to deflate game balls after the pre-game inspection by the game officials," according to the report. His agent, Don Yee, released a blistering statement blasting Wells' conclusion and accusing the league of staging a sting operation. Wells concludes otherwise, saying it's likely that Brady knew something.

Now it's up to the NFL to make its own conclusions about what Brady knew and determine whether he should be punished.

 

[Merlot]

BOYZZZ!

Where do you live Merlot? In a cave along around I-91?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/suspicious-texts-between-tom-brady-151219208.html

I love it. Thanks DD. I had heard very early there were phone calls, which is what much of this is about. Nearly every section you posted starts with talking about phone calls. But good job boy, you got it partly right. I'm still looking for anything that points to where Brady indicated balls should be deflated below the rules limit. There's nothing implicating unless you impose the view this is about an effort to cover up an event, and that would be pure supposition. The tone and the specifics of what IS SAID is about support, nothing more.

Good job bud, :thumb:

Merlot

 

[daydreamer41]

BOYZZZ!



I love it. Thanks DD. I had heard very early there were phone calls, which is what much of this is about. Nearly every section you posted starts with talking about phone calls. But good job boy, you got it partly right. I'm still looking for anything that points to where Brady indicated balls should be deflated below the rules limit. There's nothing implicating unless you impose the view this is about an effort to cover up an even, and that would be pure supposition. The tone and the specifics of what IS SAID about support, nothing more.

Good job bud, :thumb:

Merlot

Merlot,

You probably smarter than you let people think you are.

Read the exchange between Brady and the equipment guy:

Brady calls him a minute later, and they talk for 13 minutes. Jastremski initially told NFL Security that they didn't talk about the deflated balls, but later told Wells that they did.

9:51 a.m.: Brady texts Jastremski checking up on him. Jastremski says he's "still nervous":

Brady (9:51 a.m.): You good Jonny boy?

Jastremski (9:53 a.m.): Still nervous; so far so good though. I'll be alright

Brady (9:54 a.m.): You didn't do anything wrong bud.

Jastremski (9:55 a.m.): I know; I'll be all good

Brady told investigators he was just supporting Jastremski because he knew Jastremski was responsible for the condition of the balls. Jastremski told investigators he was joking when he said he was "nervous."

You know that prosecutors get convictions without the perps coming out and confessing, right, Merlot?

We know the 11 of 12 footballs were deflated. Why is the equipment guy in charge of inflating the balls saying he is "nervous"?

And did you read the next exchange where Jastremski is giving a "heads up" to Tom Brady about head equipment manager David Schoenfeld was going to interview him? and the statement about the Schoenfeld knows that it is unrealistic that Brady did this himself, which Jastremski said it was a joke to NFL investigators.

All this looks bad, Merlot. Sorry to bust your balloon, but something stinks in Patriotland and the NFL has gotten it right. 1 Year suspension for Old Man Brady. The Patriots should really be stripped of the Title IMO.

 

[Merlot]

BOYZ,

Merlot, You probably smarter than you let people think you are.

It's you saying so.

Read the exchange between Brady and the equipment guy:

Brady calls him a minute later, and they talk for 13 minutes. Jastremski initially told NFL Security that they didn't talk about the deflated balls, but later told Wells that they did.

9:51 a.m.: Brady texts Jastremski checking up on him. Jastremski says he's "still nervous":

Brady (9:51 a.m.): You good Jonny boy?

Jastremski (9:53 a.m.): Still nervous; so far so good though. I'll be alright

Brady (9:54 a.m.): You didn't do anything wrong bud.

Jastremski (9:55 a.m.): I know; I'll be all good

So he changed his story about talking about deflated balls. Why doesn't that mean talking about the constant insane media frenzy over the issue instead of guilty talk of which none is indicated, especially when Brady says "You didn't do anything wrong bud" and Jastremski replies "I know; I'll be all good"?

We know the 11 of 12 footballs were deflated. Why is the equipment guy in charge of inflating the balls saying he is "nervous"?

And did you read the next exchange where Jastremski is giving a "heads up" to Tom Brady about head equipment manager David Schoenfeld was going to interview him? and the statement about the Schoenfeld knows that it is unrealistic that Brady did this himself, which Jastremski said it was a joke to NFL investigators

Witnesses who have nothing to worry about will worry, just as the guilty will. Looking at how the media reports an indecisive verdict as a concrete fact who wouldn't be worried things could get twisted.

So you definitely believe anyone involved in tampering with a ball should be suspended for a year. ONE QUESTION DD...WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE THIS DECISION WHEN MIKE PINEDA WAS CAUGHT RED-HANDED ON VIDEO WITH ALL OF THAT PINE TAR ON HIS NECK AND THE BALL???

[video=youtube;BaOjaFN3gqM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaOjaFN3gqM[/video]

Would you please answer that question? That's why you guys come off so dishonest. You won't stand behind the same principle no matter who it is.

"wave"

Merlot

 

[daydreamer41]

So you definitely believe anyone involved in tampering with a ball should be suspended for a year. ONE QUESTION DD...WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE THIS DECISION WHEN MIKE PINEDA WAS CAUGHT RED-HANDED ON VIDEO WITH ALL OF THAT PINE TAR ON HIS NECK AND THE BALL???
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Merlot

Merlo, you sure are a strange dude. Why are you bringing in Michael Pineda into what Tom Brady is going to be suspended for?

What Brady did was during a playoff game. It aided the Cheatriots to get to the Super Bowl. Why are deflecting what Brady has done? Pineda has nothing to do with football.

So he changed his story about talking about deflated balls. Why doesn't that mean talking about the constant insane media frenzy over the issue instead of guilty talk of which none is indicated, especially when Brady says "You didn't do anything wrong bud" and Jastremski replies "I know; I'll be all good"?

That is guilty talk, Merlot. Sure, you are from the land of the scandalous. You can't tell honesty from dishonesty.

1 Year suspension for Old Man Brady.

 

[anon_vlad]

This addresses the Brady controversy with the gravity it deserves.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/08/carol-brady-tom-brady-press-conference_n_7245618.html

It's short and cute, evoking memories of Daryn of Eleganza.

 

[daydreamer41]

This addresses the Brady controversy with the gravity it deserves.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/08/carol-brady-tom-brady-press-conference_n_7245618.html

It's short and cute, evoking memories of Daryn of Eleganza.

1 Year suspension for Old Man Brady!

 

[Merlot]

BOYZ

Why are you bringing in Michael Pineda into what Tom Brady is going to be suspended for?

Chicken-crap cop out. No honor.

NFL refutes report of Brady suspension

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/NFL-refutes-report-of-Tom-Brady-suspension

When Gary Myers of the New York Daily News cited sources in the league's offices who told him that it was certain that Brady would be suspended, the league reacted as though that was just another opinion. Another take.

It didn't necessarily read that way, but the league insists.

In a note to Boston.com, spokesman Greg Aiello wrote, "It is Gary Myers’ prediction. The headline is misleading." Aiello added that "no decisions have been made."

Until a decision comes down, the guessing game will continue.

Deflategate reaction now a race to be the most ridiculous

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-pa...egate-reaction-now-race-to-be-most-ridiculous

Here’s the link to the column by Nancy Armour. It almost made me spit out my Smokehouse Combo.

Because a four-month investigation – commissioned by an NFL which revels in twisting the Patriots’ tail – concluded Tom Brady may have been “generally aware” it was “more probable than not” that a hiss or two of air was let out of a football, he is right there with the most reviled cheaters in American sports.

Get over yourself, Nancy.

There’s a dearth of critical thinking in the media when sensational stories break. We turn into carnival barkers. And the quickest way to get people gathered under our tent and gawking is by using our bullhorn – blogs, columns, radio mikes, TV shows, Twitter feeds – to make some over-the-top claim. If it’s laughably out of proportion, whatever.

Since the granddaddy of all the Gates – Watergate – it’s been said that it’s not the crime, but the coverup which really does the damage and becomes some poor sap’s undoing.

In this instance, it’s not the alleged “crime.” It’s not the presumed “coverup.”

It’s the breathlessness of the coverage, the one-upsmanship in trying to paint this as tearing at the fiber of our nation’s youth that is truly damaging.

Because by the time everyone’s done raising the bar of indignity, the infraction itself is forgotten. That a national columnist has the gall to include Armstrong, Bonds and McGwire in a column about altered footballs is all the evidence you need.

Just consider the NFL’s own rule, for God’s sake.

“Once the balls have left the locker room, no one, including players, equipment managers, ball boys, and coaches, is allowed to alter the footballs in any way. If any individual alters the footballs, or if a non-approved ball is used in the game, the person responsible and, if appropriate, the head coach or other club personnel will be subject to discipline, including but not limited to, a fine of $25,000.”
— From the NFL Game Operations Manual

A $25K fine. Not a $5M investigation. Or, perhaps, no fine and a “stop doing that.” Which is what happened in the case of the Panthers and Vikings when those teams were caught heating up kicking balls on the sidelines in late November.

“You can’t do anything with the footballs in terms of any artificial, whether you’re heating them up, whether it’s a regular game ball or kicking ball, you can’t do anything to the football,” NFL V.P. of officiating Dean Blandino said at the time. “So that was noticed during the game, both teams were made aware of it during the game and we will certainly remind the clubs as we get into more cold weather games that you can’t do anything with the football in terms of heating them up with those sideline heaters.”

You think that’s a bad comp because the guys were “cheating” out in the open? Maybe this is a better one.

The Chargers using a towel laced with adhesive in 2012. That’ll help the grip, right? They didn’t fork over the towel when asked. Tried to hide it.

They got a $20,000 fine for that and, in USA Today, there was eye-rolling that the NFL fined the Chargers at all. Coverup is worse than the crime. Unless it’s universally decided that we’re not giving a crap about the crime or the coverup.

The officiating crews have been so lax about checking PSI that Ted Wells specifically mentioned that AFC Championship Game referee Walt Anderson is “one of the few” that checks PSIs himself instead of kicking the chore down the line to some schlub on his crew. They’ve never logged the PSIs. If they found a ball was under pressure, they just shot some air back into it. Which might be how you get a ball pumped up to almost 16 PSI.

Joe Posnanski wrote a great column (as he usually does) on the absurdity of the actual “crime” and he uses as his launch point George Brett having too much pine tar on his bat.

Oh but wait, didn't the hanging judge DD41 just poo-pool that kind of connection. :lol:

Would that make Brett akin to Pete Rose in Armour’s opinion? Did Jerry Rice’s admission of using using Stickum after it was banned,

I’m aware I’m raging against the machine, here. The NFL will make its punishment decision conveniently after having a few days to gauge public sentiment.

The NFL season will open its 50th Super Bowl season with its greatest quarterback in leg irons for allegedly being generally aware that two guys were probably screwing with the air pressure in footballs, an infraction that just months before drew merely a “Cut it out.” And not even a stern one of those.

Get ready for us carnival barkers to take these words out for a spin: Taint. Stain. Smear. Tarnish. Sully. Blacken. Blot. Blemish. Mar. Defile. Soil. Muddy. Damage. Harm. Corrupt. Stigmatize. Besmirch.

Try to keep your Smokehouse Combo down.

Can't wait to hear more from the :crazy: hang men types. Let the race to be the most RIDICULOUS go on.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[anon_vlad]

Why am i not surprised that my friend Merlot would condone cheating & a culture of cheating?
p.s. Why? Because most of the teams he cheers for all come from Boston. That's why.

Breathtaking hypocrisy! Didn't you give examples of how the Leafs were tanking and commend them for that cheating to increase the probability of them obtaining McDavid?

 

[Joe.t]

"The Miami Herald reported Brady’s suspension could be as much as the entire 2015 season" anything short of this would be a disservice to the integrity of the game, I'd still prefer that Seattle be awarded the Super Bowl since this disgraceful, cheating act was performed by Brady during the playoffs.

 

[daydreamer41]

"The Miami Herald reported Brady’s suspension could be as much as the entire 2015 season" anything short of this would be a disservice to the integrity of the game, I'd still prefer that Seattle be awarded the Super Bowl since this disgraceful, cheating act was performed by Brady during the playoffs.

That's right, and just like the bettors who are suing Pacquiao for not disclosing his injury, all of the bettors who bet on Seattle and lost should sue Tom Brady for putting fix in and making that "NERVOUS" equipment guy Jastremski deflate the footballs.

1 year suspension for Old Man Brady.

 

[daydreamer41]

BOYZ

NFL refutes report of Brady suspension

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/NFL-refutes-report-of-Tom-Brady-suspension

Cheers,

Merlot

What kind of source is http://www.csnne.com/?

It's a hack New England website for Cable News New England. I bet they predicted and still say that mass murderer former Tight End Aaron Hernandez is still innocent. No Merlot?

It shows that New England fans have no shame.

 

[smuler]

It's short and cute, evoking memories of Daryn of Eleganza.

Amen Brother ! :faint:

Best Regards

Smuler

 

[wolfie7]

Breathtaking hypocrisy! Didn't you give examples of how the Leafs were tanking and commend them for that cheating to increase the probability of them obtaining McDavid?

:lol: :thumb: Good call!

What's up with all the NY haters? I thought you were all Giants fans, not Jets losers. Lay off the hate, it's not good for your health. :lol:

 

[daydreamer41]

So Merlot, in bringing up Michael Pineda (who is pitching a gem of a game today in his debut to be 5-0 with an Under 3.00 ERA) and comparing it to Tom Brady, you are comparing Apples and Oranges.

Pineda's attempt was obviously ill conceived. Pineda was ejected from the game. Brady was not ejected in the Colts Patriots game. The ball was discovered in the second quarter. It is not known if any of the balls were used in the second half. If you want to play by the same rules, Merlot, the game should have been stopped, the footballs should have been all inspected and Brady should have been interrogated, etc. at that moment.

Pineda got caught in April. He pitched 2 or 3 games. Baseball teams in the MLB play 162 games. Not a big factor in the scheme of the season. And Pineda was suspended for 10 games.

Deflategate happened in the AFC Championship game. A big difference Merlot. But you do not care about the difference. All you want to do is deflect the attention from Brady and the Cheatriots.

Furthermore, they say that a pitcher using pine tar or some kind of substance does not give the pitcher an advantage over the batter. Rather, the substance gives the pitcher a better grip on colder days, which in April it is cold. A batter may appreciate that the pitcher has a better grip because the ball is less likely to slip and hit the batter. Some say the rules for using pine tar should be changed. It's the spitting or lubricants that cause the ball to break greater than they normally would. That's why all substances were banned in the 1910's.

Now, football, a deflated ball does give the quarterback the advantage in throwing the ball in cold weather, if the quarterback is more comfortable with deflated balls. The quarterback is throwing to a receiver. The quarterback has a leeway of a tolerance. As long as the pressure is within the tolerance, it is a legal ball. 11 out of the 12 footballs in the game against Indianapolis were out of the tolerance and under inflated. The weather in Indianapolis was in the high 40's and low 50's that day. There is no chance that weather was the cause of deflated footballs. The footballs Indianapolis used were not deflated.

So you compare the two infractions, Pineda and Brady. They are Apples and Oranges. Pineda's was given a fair penalty and suspension. Pineda didn't try to cover it up either. Brady did.

1 year suspension for Old Man Brady!

 

[Doc Holliday]

Breathtaking hypocrisy! Didn't you give examples of how the Leafs were tanking and commend them for that cheating to increase the probability of them obtaining McDavid?

Does the NFL have a team named the Leafs? That's news to me.....

 

[Merlot]

BOYZ!

Why am i not surprised that my friend Merlot would condone cheating & a culture of cheating?

Breathtaking hypocrisy! Didn't you give examples of how the Leafs were tanking and commend them for that cheating to increase the probability of them obtaining McDavid?

Does the NFL have a team named the Leafs? That's news to me.....

That's our Doc Holliday, can't stand up for his own principles, can't man-up to being bagged for dishonesty and coming out for approving CHEATING! What, nothing on Clemens and your World Series wins. Pure hypocrisy!

Pineda's attempt was obviously ill conceived.

So it was "ill-conceived", which means badly planned. You mean if he had done it better he could have gotten away with it. Another guy who can't man-up to the principles he preaches. It's spelled C-H-E-A-T-I-N-G!!!

1 year suspension for Old Man Brady!

I'd love to see if you could "man-up" on this happening.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[daydreamer41]

BOYZ!



That's our Doc Holliday, can't stand up for his own principles, can't man-up to being bagged for dishonesty and coming out for approving CHEATING! What, nothing on Clemens and your World Series wins. Pure hypocrisy!

Clemens? Roger Clemens? How did he get into this debate? Clemens spent 12 years on the Red Sox, 5 years on the Yankees, 2 years on the Blue Jays and 3 years on the Astros.

You do the math, Merlot. What team did Roger Clemens spend the most time? It's a quiz. :nod:

And when did Doc become a Yankees fan? You must think if a person is not a Red Sox fan, they must be a Yankees fan.

So it was "ill-conceived", which means badly planned. You mean if he had done it better he could have gotten away with it. Another guy who can't man-up to the principles he preaches. It's spelled C-H-E-A-T-I-N-G!!!

Merlot, you take the most direct path to prove your point and you fail miserably every time, as you twist people's words and meanings of words:

ill-con·ceived
adjective
not carefully planned or considered.
"ill-conceived schemes"
synonyms: badly planned, badly thought out, harebrained, ill-advised, ill-considered, ill-judged, misjudged, injudicious, imprudent, unwise, hasty, rash
"the atrium's ill-conceived design has received much criticism"

There is nowhere where I said I condoned Pineda's use of pine tar, but I laid out the difference. You, like some of your buddies, are totally corrupt. You use your dishonesty to make your points. There's no honest debating your type.

I'd love to see if you could "man-up" on this happening.

Cheers,

Merlot