Climate change

[GMA]

^^^^^ Depends what you search
https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-s...st-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year-3/

Sol Tee Nutz,
This article is a pseudo science joke, cherry picking random predictions made 50 years ago, when the environment was so toxic, the EPA was created that same year. Environmental science was barely out of the womb at that point, and computer technology similarly in its infancy. Please do yourself a favor and read the articles referenced by Matt Miller, and if you can find similar articles presenting your side, that might help you make your case.

Can you let me know what the fuck Joaquim Phoenix was rambling about?? Was his point about lgbt rights, protecting our planet, being a vegan..?? This is how I looked trying to listen to him http://i.imgflip.com/10q6t1.jpg

JP is a different type of dude lol. Lots of cringing in the audience during that speech lol

Syukuro Manabe & Anthony J. Broccoli: Beyond Global Warming: How Numerical Models Revealed the Secrets of Climate Change. Princeton
https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Global-Warming-Numerical-Revealed/dp/0691058865
https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691058863/beyond-global-warming
Robert Henson: The Thinking Person's Guide to Climate Change. American Meteorological Society, 2nd edition, 2019
https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Persons-Guide-Climate-Change/dp/1944970398/
Scientists have gotten predictions of global warming right since the 1970s. Dec 4, 2019
The first systematic review finds that climate models have been remarkably accurate.
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-envi...315/climate-change-prediction-models-accurate

Matt Miller, these are very interesting, well referenced articles that discuss actual scientific studies and methods. Your posts are really substantive.

 

[Bred Sob]

Matt Miller, these are very interesting, well referenced articles that discuss actual scientific studies and methods. Your posts are really substantive.

Thank you for your stamp of approval, your recommendation is very valuable and very time-saving. Will definitely stay clear of these "articles" (aka as "books" to less sophisticated human beings).

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

GMA... Please explain why the last 3 iceages were different from the last one a tropical equator the one before slush and the one before that soild ice, this is well before industrial man. Now explain why changing weather scares you so much.

 

[C.B. Brown]

Matt Miller, these are very interesting, well referenced articles.

Same prognosis as a plumber finds with a blocked Toilet

 

[GMA]

GMA... Please explain why the last 3 iceages were different from the last one a tropical equator the one before slush and the one before that soild ice, this is well before industrial man. Now explain why changing weather scares you so much.

STN,
I'm not "scared" about "changing weather" lol. But to comply with your request for information refuting the ice age trope, I found an excellent article titled "How We Know Today's Climate Change Is Not Natural", published 04/04/2017 by Renee Cho, staff blogger of the Earth Institute, a part of Columbia University, an Ivy League university in New York City. The Earth Institute is comprised of researchers and faculty from that University.

https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2017/04/04/how-we-know-climate-change-is-not-natural/

I do hope you will read it, an excellent summary of several of the lines of scientific evidence that refutes your claims. One quick thing she points out is that the current global warming is occurring 10 times more rapidly than occurred following the ice ages. Cho also writes this:

[FONT=&amp]"Climate deniers offer a variety of bases for their skepticism without providing scientific evidence. The most effective thing that the climate denier community has done, however, is to spread the notion of uncertainty about climate change, and use it as an excuse not to take any action.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]'It’s been a very effective tactic,' said de Menocal, 'in part because the scientific community spends a tremendous amount of effort quantifying that uncertainty. And so we make it plain as day that there are things we’re certain about, and things we’re uncertain about. There are places of debate that exist in the community. That’s the scientific process. … The deniers are not selling a new way of looking at the problem, they’re selling doubt, and it’s very easy to manufacture doubt.'[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]'They are in total denial of the evidence that there is,” said Schmidt. “When I challenge them to produce evidence for their attributions, all I get is crickets. There’s no actual quantitative evidence that demonstrates anything. … Show me the data, show me your analysis.' "

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[Bred Sob]

This Ivy League blog post is actually pretty good by the climate warriors' standards. The first two paragraphs are almost OK (with some relatively minor falsehoods). It is only in its third paragraph that we encounter the tired and many times debunked (including earlier in this very thread) claim that "97 percent of working climate scientists agree ...[the rest of bullshit clipped]". Well done, professor!

I did not venture to proceed any further. The old Siberian saying about the ham (which you don't need to eat in its entirety to verify that it's gone rotten) is pertinent as ever.

 

[jalimon]

[FONT=&]'It’s been a very effective tactic,' said de Menocal, 'in part because the scientific community spends a tremendous amount of effort quantifying that uncertainty. And so we make it plain as day that there are things we’re certain about, and things we’re uncertain about. There are places of debate that exist in the community. That’s the scientific process. … The deniers are not selling a new way of looking at the problem, they’re selling doubt, and it’s very easy to manufacture doubt.'[/FONT]
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'The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.' Charles Bukowski

 

[Bred Sob]

'The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.' Charles Bukowski

Sounds good to me. Why won't you try to walk through this thread and determine who is the most confident one here. Maybe this guy:

Climate change is real. The only scientists who dispute it are on the payroll of the Republican Party or Big Energy.

Or perhaps this one:

At least in the US, the climate change denier Republican Party controlled the Presidency, the House and the Senate, from 2014-2016.

No, I guess, it should probably be this one:

What is clear is that we have to get Trump and the Republicans out of power asap

Don't bother to look for the actual posts of course, the esteemed professor chose to delete them along with the rest of his valuable contributions to this thread. Not a bad thing at all, to be honest.

 

[GMA]

'The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.' Charles Bukowski

I never heard of this poet, but I googled him and he has quite a collection of great quotes, this being one of them.
Someone posted earlier that scientists were skeptics, and I disagreed, but I can see what he was trying to say. They do want to see a preponderance of scientific evidence before accepting a theory as valid; and will express doubt until such time.
I do hope STN reads that article from the Earth Institute.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

GMA... From your post

"Climate deniers offer a*variety of bases*for their skepticism without providing scientific evidence.*

The scientific evidence is that the ice ages have rapidly changed.
I am not and have never denied climate change and have said this many times. I am in disagreement that Canada is the problem and the solution to it, have also said that many times. We all know that if every human on earth died the climate would still change, do we not. We all know a carbon tax in Canada will not alter the climate, fucking hope so.

Also find it weird that you think I do not agree the climate is changing when I stated so many times I do yet you give me stuff to read. Comprehension.....

 

[Bred Sob]

I must admit I find this conversation very funny indeed. We have been over these very points probably dozens of times by now. The distinguished professor is maybe getting prepared to delete the second load of his wisdom, we should cherish it while we still can.

 

[jalimon]

[FONT=&]"Climate deniers offer a variety of bases for their skepticism without providing scientific evidence. The most effective thing that the climate denier community has done, however, is to spread the notion of uncertainty about climate change, and use it as an excuse not to take any action.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]'It’s been a very effective tactic,' said de Menocal, 'in part because the scientific community spends a tremendous amount of effort quantifying that uncertainty. And so we make it plain as day that there are things we’re certain about, and things we’re uncertain about. There are places of debate that exist in the community. That’s the scientific process. … The deniers are not selling a new way of looking at the problem, they’re selling doubt, and it’s very easy to manufacture doubt.'[/FONT]

If the deniers had provided same mentality of skepticism and doubts we today would not have so many vaccines and cure for cancer and other diseases... Because that is how science works. In medical healthcare it works because noboday wants to be sick or die. We want and need a cure. For the planet nobody will die tomorrow so we have time to doubt. You said it way earlier in this thread GMA we are doomed. The idiocy and hypocrisies of today's leader will make sure we are on a path to our own extinction.

Cheers,

 

[C.B. Brown]

If the deniers had provided same mentality of skepticism and doubts we today would not have so many vaccines and cure for cancer and other diseases... Because that is how science works. In medical healthcare it works because noboday wants to be sick or die. We want and need a cure. For the planet nobody will die tomorrow so we have time to doubt. You said it way earlier in this thread GMA we are doomed. The idiocy and hypocrisies of today's leader will make sure we are on a path to our own extinction.

Cheers,

your talking apples and oranges nice try
vaccines are proven by simply goeing to a cemetary and seeing how many children have died since the polio vaccine

climate change is a a theory from scientists who even if a better theory comes forth they wont accept it
like those who argue when dinosaurs were on earth and anything else which comes from a man who puts forth a theory and all are expected to believe its the fact

 

[Bred Sob]

The idiocy and hypocrisies of today's leader will make sure we are on a path to our own extinction.

Right. I have it on good authority that he plans to add a plank to his platform: to kill the planet by the end of his second term.

 

[jalimon]

your talking apples and oranges nice try
vaccines are proven by simply goeing to a cemetary and seeing how many children have died since the polio vaccine

And how were vaccines developed? With a lot of research. A lot of uncertainties and doubts (heck some are still doubting their effect and do not vaccines there kids... fucking idiots...). Scientist are full of doubts cus the more they find the more they understand how little they know. But no one stops them as a cure is needed.

For the climate many deniers against the scientist because no one will die tomorrow and no one wants to believe the changes required by the scientist. Too much life impacting. So let's just wait until the real problem arise.

Cheers,

 

[Bred Sob]

For the climate many deniers against the scientist because no one will die tomorrow

Are you sure about that? So nice to get good news once in a while. Is Greta aware of that though? Someone needs to inform her ASAP.

 

[C.B. Brown]

And how were vaccines developed?

Its not a question of how they were developed its there is physical proof they work

climate change
do you realize there is people who are brilliant with books but to put their knowledge to practical work are failures and but have zero social skills.
When i was young in the gym business i worked with a guy who had more degress than carted had liver pills hence his pay was greater than mine
but applying his knowledge he don't know if his asshole was punched or bored.
people carry around credentials and business cards.i built a body with the lucky
of great genetics few could dream of ever having
that does not make me smart i was gifted.
and when people see what i buuilt when i talk on the subject of training they have a visual
i must have a clue to what i am talking about and people of all ages and genders will stop and listen to me.
when i give tips on massage girls typically 90% of memebers will come back with a spot on remark
some 10% obvious younger members wwho are people with different tastes wont always agree.
many members will say i coeme across on the board with a crudeness and even aggressivness but in person am a different person.
msot will agree i have a good knowledge which i sare with members. this is fact vs opinion
i dont profess to have great knowedge of climate change i have a opinion
some applies to scientist and engineers some are gifted and some are a waste of skin.
you have strong opinions of everything and seem to have little felxibility of reason.
i can admit when i am wrong and be flexible but with your attitude i would never do so to you personally.

 

[jalimon]

From Stephen Hawking latest writings before he passed away:

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The Biggest Threats to Earth

Threat number one one is an asteroid collision, like the one that killed the dinosaurs. However, “we have no defense” against that, Hawking writes. More immediately: climate change. “A rise in ocean temperature would melt the ice caps and cause the release of large amounts of carbon dioxide,” Hawking writes. “Both effects could make our climate like that of Venus with a temperature of 250C.”
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[Bred Sob]

Hawking was someone who definitely deserved a lot of respect. For his considerable achievements under the direst of circumstances. As for his uninformed opinions on matters he was not familiar with -- well, maybe not so much.

 

[jalimon]

Bred no offense by I will take his words over yours or mine in a heartbeat