Climate change

[GMA]

Well, I'm interested reading the above posts by MattMiller and STN.
Because we cannot get the Republican controlled US Senate nor Idiot In Chief Trump to admit to Climate Change, I haven't focused on the pros and cons of the carbon tax. But it's a benefit to the US that Canada is actively trying to figure out these federal government policy solutions, so the US can get up to speed more quickly if we win the POTUS election this November. I'm hoping that the college age generation will rise up and vote, but the Republicans are actively passing laws to suppress the student vote state by state.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

The carbon tax puts Canada at a disadvantage in manufacturing and basically any exporting we do. The added costs to everyone from farmers to delivery will be passed on to the consumer, for what, trying to alter climate change. If we meet the Paris Accord agreement and it looks doubtful we would on a global scale reduce GHG's by 0.0004%, the cost does not justify the means. Even the Swedes voted that the biggest waste of 2019 taxpayers dollars was fighting climate change ( How dare they, Greta must be furious )
Taxing a country for using fossil fuels is nothing but a money grab and if you think that it will alter climate change, well I have a mint 1975 pinto to sell you for $200,000.00.

This is just the take of the GST for Alberta and BC.
Nov. 1, 2018 ·*A 2017 analysis by the Library of Parliament said that if the GST were charged on all of the revenues collected from existing carbon levies in British Columbia and Alberta it would add as much as $150 million in a year to Ottawa's coffers. That was based on those governments having a carbon tax of $30 a tonne.
Yes, nothing to do with money....right

 

[Albacor]

I told you since the beguinning, carbon tax is just another disguised form of money grabber from the government ! all they do is just planted a few trees with the money, that's it; the rest goes into their pockets !
and you know what? the biggest polluter in the world is not my car! it is the military ! an F-35 taking off an air craft carrier equal emission of 100 cars ! no need to mention all the tanks, missiles, and battle ships circling around the middle east ready to trike if any war ! but shuuut ! please do not spread this out, the media never mention it because the government do not want you to know that, got it ?
Every countries is increasing their military budget ! Greta please go after them ? and leave my car alone, please ? Thanks.

 

[Bred Sob]

the biggest polluter in the world is not my car! it is the military ! ... Greta please go after them ? and leave my car alone, please ? Thanks.

Agree! That will be a true clash of titans.

 

[GMA]

I agree with STN that a carbon tax in only one country seems logical to put it at a competitive disadvantage for international trade. That's why it was so bad when Trump got elected and pulled the US out of the Kyoto accord. It's going to take a worldwide effort, and unfortunately it doesn't seem likely to happen. It will be an uphill battle to get all the big countries to cooperate in time, even if Trump loses the election.

 

[Bred Sob]

That's why it was so bad when Trump got elected and pulled the US out of the Kyoto accord.

Never mind that it was done in 2001 and the villain of the day was named "George W. Bush". It is still Trump's fault, that is indisputable.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2001/mar/29/globalwarming.usnews

Always a pleasure to read your well-informed posts.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Did not want to search for the post so copy and paste.
*Originally Posted by*GMA*

That's why it was so bad when Trump got elected and pulled the US out of the*Kyoto accord.

Bad luck? He saved the taxpayers billions of dollars and thousands of jobs. We here in Canada have to pay a large amount to make zero difference, Trudeau wants a seat at the UN and our economy will not get in his way.

 

[Bred Sob]

*Originally Posted by*GMA*

That's why it was so bad when Trump got elected and pulled the US out of the*Kyoto accord.

Bad luck? He saved the taxpayers billions of dollars and thousands of jobs.

I am afraid there is some confusion here. Trump of course had nothing to do with the Kyoto accord, except maybe in the GMA universe. See the link in my post above.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

My error, meant the Paris accord. Read your link before I posted.

 

[MattMiller]

I wonder, are there any experts reading this thread who could possibly update us on the current state of the climate science?

Maybe of interest:

Syukuro Manabe & Anthony J. Broccoli: Beyond Global Warming: How Numerical Models Revealed the Secrets of Climate Change. Princeton University Press, 2020
https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Global-Warming-Numerical-Revealed/dp/0691058865
https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691058863/beyond-global-warming

Robert Henson: The Thinking Person's Guide to Climate Change. American Meteorological Society, 2nd edition, 2019
https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Persons-Guide-Climate-Change/dp/1944970398/

Scientists have gotten predictions of global warming right since the 1970s. Dec 4, 2019
The first systematic review finds that climate models have been remarkably accurate.
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-envi...315/climate-change-prediction-models-accurate

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

^^^^^ Depends what you search

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-s...st-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year-3/

 

[Bred Sob]

Maybe of interest

Thank you, I have no doubt there's no shortage of this kind of insightful books.

Here is some good advice for their authors:

How to Convince Skeptics that Climate Change is a Problem

 

[jalimon]

I don't know where to post this question and I do not want to start a new thread.

For those who have watch the Oscar yesterday. Can you let me know what the fuck Joaquim Phoenix was rambling about??

Was his point about lgbt rights, protecting our planet, being a vegan..?? This is how I looked trying to listen to him http://i.imgflip.com/10q6t1.jpg

 

[Albacor]

At least Trump is honest, he said will pull out of the Paris agreement and want to show the world that he wants the USA be the leader of the whole world, not lagging behind riding horses and donkeys !
However Trudeau is an hypocrite: he signed the Paris accord even though he knew he will miss it's target and can not fulfill Canada's commitment to this accord; more over he bought the Trans mountain pipeline project and give millions to the sand oil companies in Alberta !
So tell me who is lying huh ? Greta help !

 

[TheJames101]

So tell me who is lying huh ?

Both lie, don't be silly.

 

[GMA]

^^^^^ Depends what you search
https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-s...st-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year-3/

Sol Tee Nutz,
This article is a pseudo science joke, cherry picking random predictions made 50 years ago, when the environment was so toxic, the EPA was created that same year. Environmental science was barely out of the womb at that point, and computer technology similarly in its infancy. Please do yourself a favor and read the articles referenced by Matt Miller, and if you can find similar articles presenting your side, that might help you make your case.

Can you let me know what the fuck Joaquim Phoenix was rambling about?? Was his point about lgbt rights, protecting our planet, being a vegan..?? This is how I looked trying to listen to him http://i.imgflip.com/10q6t1.jpg

JP is a different type of dude lol. Lots of cringing in the audience during that speech lol

Syukuro Manabe & Anthony J. Broccoli: Beyond Global Warming: How Numerical Models Revealed the Secrets of Climate Change. Princeton
https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Global-Warming-Numerical-Revealed/dp/0691058865
https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691058863/beyond-global-warming
Robert Henson: The Thinking Person's Guide to Climate Change. American Meteorological Society, 2nd edition, 2019
https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Persons-Guide-Climate-Change/dp/1944970398/
Scientists have gotten predictions of global warming right since the 1970s. Dec 4, 2019
The first systematic review finds that climate models have been remarkably accurate.
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-envi...315/climate-change-prediction-models-accurate

Matt Miller, these are very interesting, well referenced articles that discuss actual scientific studies and methods. Your posts are really substantive.

 

[Bred Sob]

Matt Miller, these are very interesting, well referenced articles that discuss actual scientific studies and methods. Your posts are really substantive.

Thank you for your stamp of approval, your recommendation is very valuable and very time-saving. Will definitely stay clear of these "articles" (aka as "books" to less sophisticated human beings).

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

GMA... Please explain why the last 3 iceages were different from the last one a tropical equator the one before slush and the one before that soild ice, this is well before industrial man. Now explain why changing weather scares you so much.

 

[C.B. Brown]

Matt Miller, these are very interesting, well referenced articles.

Same prognosis as a plumber finds with a blocked Toilet

 

[GMA]

GMA... Please explain why the last 3 iceages were different from the last one a tropical equator the one before slush and the one before that soild ice, this is well before industrial man. Now explain why changing weather scares you so much.

STN,
I'm not "scared" about "changing weather" lol. But to comply with your request for information refuting the ice age trope, I found an excellent article titled "How We Know Today's Climate Change Is Not Natural", published 04/04/2017 by Renee Cho, staff blogger of the Earth Institute, a part of Columbia University, an Ivy League university in New York City. The Earth Institute is comprised of researchers and faculty from that University.

https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2017/04/04/how-we-know-climate-change-is-not-natural/

I do hope you will read it, an excellent summary of several of the lines of scientific evidence that refutes your claims. One quick thing she points out is that the current global warming is occurring 10 times more rapidly than occurred following the ice ages. Cho also writes this:

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[FONT=&amp]'It’s been a very effective tactic,' said de Menocal, 'in part because the scientific community spends a tremendous amount of effort quantifying that uncertainty. And so we make it plain as day that there are things we’re certain about, and things we’re uncertain about. There are places of debate that exist in the community. That’s the scientific process. … The deniers are not selling a new way of looking at the problem, they’re selling doubt, and it’s very easy to manufacture doubt.'[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]'They are in total denial of the evidence that there is,” said Schmidt. “When I challenge them to produce evidence for their attributions, all I get is crickets. There’s no actual quantitative evidence that demonstrates anything. … Show me the data, show me your analysis.' "

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